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"when there's not much, you can demand more" Brad Treliving.

Well I believe him. Basically it boils down to the Canucks still believing that not only can they still make the playoffs but that they can do well, maybe win a round or 2. That’s good enough for them I guess. They blew too much last year and failed to move out players this year, for whatever reasons.

We hold onto our players too long and over pay to get assets.

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:07 pm Well I believe him. Basically it boils down to the Canucks still believing that not only can they still make the playoffs but that they can do well, maybe win a round or 2. That’s good enough for them I guess. They blew too much last year and failed to move out players this year, for whatever reasons.

We hold onto our players too long and over pay to get assets.

The consistency of this happening with multiple management teams really only points to ownership meddling.

Gillis was the only guy since Nonis who didn't overpay to get assets (other than Sundin).....however Gillis also was too quick to hand out NTC's and then loathe to trade a bust or pull the trigger on moving out roster talent to put the team over the top in an area of need.

At least we get to watch them turn around and sign the guy that no one was interested in to an eigtht year contract, That's bound to be fun

I'm surprised that nobody was interested in Boeser - a potential 40 goal guy, point per game in last year's playoffs, and generally steps it up a little in the post season. Even as a rental, he had value.

Either those spots were filled, teams offered too little or the Canucks were demanding too much.

Out of those options, I have to believe that of the 20-something teams in and near playoff spots - he would fill a need.

If someone like Beauvillier can get your 2nd, surely Boeser would bring back a 1st - so I have to assume that some reasonable offers were made.

Leaves us with "the Canucks were demanding too much" - between our own push for the playoffs, Brock's tenure and potential re-signing, I'm guessing the Canucks were holding out for above market value. Trading him for futures would not help our "run", and potential shoppers likely weren't offering up quality roster players to replace him in our lineup.

If there wasn't enough in the offers today, I don't see much coming before July 1 - except a 2nd or 3rd for his rights when we can't sign him.

Cornuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:27 pm Trading him for futures would not help our "run", and potential shoppers likely weren't offering up quality roster players to replace him in our lineup.

If there wasn't enough in the offers today, I don't see much coming before July 1 - except a 2nd or 3rd for his rights when we can't sign him.

This was their mantra well before today. They were never going to trade him for futures.
Todays events could help in resigning Brock to a reasonable contract though, although I expect him to try free agency first(why not?).

Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:01 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:47 pm

Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:30 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:24 pm

Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:17 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:13 pm

Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:04 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:02 pm I think if Canucks were offered a 1st for Boeser they would have jumped. But Allvin had previously said they were not interested in picks as much as they needed roster players with term. But I don’t buy they would turn down a first for him.

I'm certain they were offered a first. No way they weren't.

Source?

Oh come on Wids. Look at the evidence. It was a seller's market for gawd.s sake. Let's at least be straight with each other, the team bu;llshitting us is bad enough.

Still doesn’t prove they turned down a first. Let’s be honest with each other. Canucks didn’t want picks and prospects. Made it known they wanted roster player(s) so they could still compete.

Neither you nor I know what was on the table. So your guess is as good as mine. But I simply don’t buy that they turned down a 1st or any other good trade. I believe him he got offered less and that that return would inhibit our ability to make the playoffs. This was all about still making the playoffs and they felt they were better suited to do that than take any return they were being offered. This is where it is fucked up. Boston just unloaded a shitload because they can read the tea leaves. So ya, maybe that part is ownership saying playoffs or your job. This is my frustration.

We always seem to fail to move out players when other teams can move on.

Well let's disagree then, I can't believe they weren't offered anything worth trading for. He's a better hockey player than Anthony Beauvillier in my very humble opinion.The rest of your post hits the target square. Ownership wants the two gates.I used to do schtick about this stuff with Frankie, I know the drill

So let’s say you are the Vancouver Canucks. You are in the mix. You want to add Brock Boeser. Would you be happy the team paid a first and a good prospect or a 1st and a roster player? Maybe Lekkermaki or Hoglander? Is that a deal you would like?

I think he fetches a late first as I said before. The overwhelming consensus is that Allvin is lying and the Cabnucks must have turned down decent offers for Suter and Boeser. But none us were in the war room drinking coffee and eating potato chips with the braintrust as you said so they do have a degree of deniability even if it isn't very plausible.

So they haven't been negotiating with his agent in months, don't appear to want to go near his contract request, he's having a sub par season and you think that their lying to us and they turned down some decent offers for him?

Alrighty then....

rikster wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 3:18 pm

Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:01 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:47 pm

Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:30 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:24 pm

Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:17 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:13 pm

Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:04 pm

I'm certain they were offered a first. No way they weren't.

Source?

Oh come on Wids. Look at the evidence. It was a seller's market for gawd.s sake. Let's at least be straight with each other, the team bu;llshitting us is bad enough.

Still doesn’t prove they turned down a first. Let’s be honest with each other. Canucks didn’t want picks and prospects. Made it known they wanted roster player(s) so they could still compete.

Neither you nor I know what was on the table. So your guess is as good as mine. But I simply don’t buy that they turned down a 1st or any other good trade. I believe him he got offered less and that that return would inhibit our ability to make the playoffs. This was all about still making the playoffs and they felt they were better suited to do that than take any return they were being offered. This is where it is fucked up. Boston just unloaded a shitload because they can read the tea leaves. So ya, maybe that part is ownership saying playoffs or your job. This is my frustration.

We always seem to fail to move out players when other teams can move on.

Well let's disagree then, I can't believe they weren't offered anything worth trading for. He's a better hockey player than Anthony Beauvillier in my very humble opinion.The rest of your post hits the target square. Ownership wants the two gates.I used to do schtick about this stuff with Frankie, I know the drill

So let’s say you are the Vancouver Canucks. You are in the mix. You want to add Brock Boeser. Would you be happy the team paid a first and a good prospect or a 1st and a roster player? Maybe Lekkermaki or Hoglander? Is that a deal you would like?

I think he fetches a late first as I said before. The overwhelming consensus is that Allvin is lying and the Cabnucks must have turned down decent offers for Suter and Boeser. But none us were in the war room drinking coffee and eating potato chips with the braintrust as you said so they do have a degree of deniability even if it isn't very plausible.

So they haven't been negotiating with his agent in months, don't appear to want to go near his contract request, he's having a sub par season and you think that their lying to us and they turned down some decent offers for him?

Alrighty then....

That's the consensus Rik. Have a look around.

What do the internal negotiations have to do with his market balue?

https://x.com/Sportsnet650/status/1898121071636955542

https://x.com/QuadrelliD/status/1898047186006687761

https://x.com/CodySevertson/status/1898047705076941201

https://x.com/mattsekeres/status/1898142410624086181

Topper wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:30 pm Sprong to the devils

For a 7th round pick. So since he was last dealt by Van to Seattle for “Future Considerations”, does that 7th go to Van?

Ya I think it does boil down to a few known points

1. They have signalled for well over a year that re-signing Boeser was not something that they were prepared to prioritize.

2. They have signalled for well over a year that they wanted to upgrade the top six and Boeser may or may not fill that need.

3. The playoffs is the minimum goal. Missing the playoffs is unacceptable.

4. They have been clear that they are not looking for picks or prospects that are not ready for the NHL.

5. They were not prepared to surrender any of their blue chip prospects in order to upgrade the team.

6. They were clear that they wanted young roster players with either term or team controlled, ie RFA.

Moving Boeser under these conditions would, at best, be a lateral move. Unless they could get a first and flip it with something else to get an upgrade. They were said to be looking for a young centre with term. Well Cozens and Norris basically flipped in somewhat of a lateral move. So even if they were offered a 1st it didn’t fit their plan to make the playoffs.

Suter I’m sure they could have moved for a 2nd but that return also does nothing to help them make the playoffs. I don’t agree with the strategy. I feel they are missing the boat in being able to retool. As Blob pointed out, all of that work to accrue cap space for today went for naught. There are a number of moves we could have been in on if we wanted to part with prospects. It boils down to doing a reality check and I applaud Boston for doing just that.

Hell they couldn’t even weaponize their cap space to get picks.

Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 3:30 pm

rikster wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 3:18 pm

Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:01 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:47 pm

Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:30 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:24 pm

Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:17 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:13 pm

Source?

Oh come on Wids. Look at the evidence. It was a seller's market for gawd.s sake. Let's at least be straight with each other, the team bu;llshitting us is bad enough.

Still doesn’t prove they turned down a first. Let’s be honest with each other. Canucks didn’t want picks and prospects. Made it known they wanted roster player(s) so they could still compete.

Neither you nor I know what was on the table. So your guess is as good as mine. But I simply don’t buy that they turned down a 1st or any other good trade. I believe him he got offered less and that that return would inhibit our ability to make the playoffs. This was all about still making the playoffs and they felt they were better suited to do that than take any return they were being offered. This is where it is fucked up. Boston just unloaded a shitload because they can read the tea leaves. So ya, maybe that part is ownership saying playoffs or your job. This is my frustration.

We always seem to fail to move out players when other teams can move on.

Well let's disagree then, I can't believe they weren't offered anything worth trading for. He's a better hockey player than Anthony Beauvillier in my very humble opinion.The rest of your post hits the target square. Ownership wants the two gates.I used to do schtick about this stuff with Frankie, I know the drill

So let’s say you are the Vancouver Canucks. You are in the mix. You want to add Brock Boeser. Would you be happy the team paid a first and a good prospect or a 1st and a roster player? Maybe Lekkermaki or Hoglander? Is that a deal you would like?

I think he fetches a late first as I said before. The overwhelming consensus is that Allvin is lying and the Cabnucks must have turned down decent offers for Suter and Boeser. But none us were in the war room drinking coffee and eating potato chips with the braintrust as you said so they do have a degree of deniability even if it isn't very plausible.

So they haven't been negotiating with his agent in months, don't appear to want to go near his contract request, he's having a sub par season and you think that their lying to us and they turned down some decent offers for him?

Alrighty then....

That's the consensus Rik. Have a look around.

What do the internal negotiations have to do with his market balue?

https://x.com/Sportsnet650/status/1898121071636955542

https://x.com/QuadrelliD/status/1898047186006687761

https://x.com/CodySevertson/status/1898047705076941201

https://x.com/mattsekeres/status/1898142410624086181

No one of those links are any more insightful than what we are all speculating on.

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 4:00 pm

Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 3:30 pm

rikster wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 3:18 pm

Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:01 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:47 pm

Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:30 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:24 pm

Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:17 pm

Oh come on Wids. Look at the evidence. It was a seller's market for gawd.s sake. Let's at least be straight with each other, the team bu;llshitting us is bad enough.

Still doesn’t prove they turned down a first. Let’s be honest with each other. Canucks didn’t want picks and prospects. Made it known they wanted roster player(s) so they could still compete.

Neither you nor I know what was on the table. So your guess is as good as mine. But I simply don’t buy that they turned down a 1st or any other good trade. I believe him he got offered less and that that return would inhibit our ability to make the playoffs. This was all about still making the playoffs and they felt they were better suited to do that than take any return they were being offered. This is where it is fucked up. Boston just unloaded a shitload because they can read the tea leaves. So ya, maybe that part is ownership saying playoffs or your job. This is my frustration.

We always seem to fail to move out players when other teams can move on.

Well let's disagree then, I can't believe they weren't offered anything worth trading for. He's a better hockey player than Anthony Beauvillier in my very humble opinion.The rest of your post hits the target square. Ownership wants the two gates.I used to do schtick about this stuff with Frankie, I know the drill

So let’s say you are the Vancouver Canucks. You are in the mix. You want to add Brock Boeser. Would you be happy the team paid a first and a good prospect or a 1st and a roster player? Maybe Lekkermaki or Hoglander? Is that a deal you would like?

I think he fetches a late first as I said before. The overwhelming consensus is that Allvin is lying and the Cabnucks must have turned down decent offers for Suter and Boeser. But none us were in the war room drinking coffee and eating potato chips with the braintrust as you said so they do have a degree of deniability even if it isn't very plausible.

So they haven't been negotiating with his agent in months, don't appear to want to go near his contract request, he's having a sub par season and you think that their lying to us and they turned down some decent offers for him?

Alrighty then....

That's the consensus Rik. Have a look around.

What do the internal negotiations have to do with his market balue?

https://x.com/Sportsnet650/status/1898121071636955542

https://x.com/QuadrelliD/status/1898047186006687761

https://x.com/CodySevertson/status/1898047705076941201

https://x.com/mattsekeres/status/1898142410624086181

No one of those links are any more insightful than what we are all speculating on.

Agreed. I was only trying to assure Rik that I wasn't crazy.

But I honestly don't care to go areound on this anymore. It is what it is, as the great Bertuzzi would say.

Maybe I'll go be a Toronto Maple leaves fan again like I was in the 60s. The Aquilini era is a big fat no hoper.

Fuck it.

That's the consensus Rik. Have a look around.

What do the internal negotiations have to do with his market balue?

I normally watch your links Megaterio but didn't this time because of who they are...

You've got to get a new play list...

I tried to watch the You Tube segment on Donnie and Dhali's reaction to the deadline and holly smokes did they go off the rails...

Nothing has changed my opinion that this is a competent front office..

Speaking of new playlists, you should start watching some of the podcasts from around the league and what a s*it show they think the Vancouver media are...

Complain, complain, complain...

Hopefully they can make good use of their cap space this offseason...

Cornuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:27 pm I'm surprised that nobody was interested in Boeser - a potential 40 goal guy, point per game in last year's playoffs, and generally steps it up a little in the post season. Even as a rental, he had value.

Kuzmenko gets a 3rd, Beauvillier gets a 2nd. Come on. It's basically the owner telling them to make shit up to get the fans off their backs. Trying to convince Aquadick draft picks/futures are better for the franchise than holding on to a couple players for a better chance in a meager playoff race is the same thing as speaking Chinese to him. It's Hamhuis and Vrbata all over again among many other examples, but much worse this time.

I'm not even at all pissed at management. This pattern has lasted forever and points to only one person where are ire should be directed. Never thought I'd ever do this, but I am cheering hard for Calgary and any of the other playoff hopefuls to beat us out. I don't want Aquafuck to earn an extra penny even if it hurts our future. Will I jump back on if they get in and make a miraculous run? I bleed blue, green, red, yellow, black, dark navy blue, silver, crimson, cream and salmon red, and maybe for Quinn's sake, so I can't ever say never. But good luck that's going to happen anyway. Would much rather see this owner lose big this year.

Nuckertuzzi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 5:02 pm

Cornuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:27 pm I'm surprised that nobody was interested in Boeser - a potential 40 goal guy, point per game in last year's playoffs, and generally steps it up a little in the post season. Even as a rental, he had value.

Kuzmenko gets a 3rd, Beauvillier gets a 2nd. Come on. It's basically the owner telling them to make shit up to get the fans off their backs. Trying to convince Aquadick draft picks/futures are better for the franchise than holding on to a couple players for a better chance in a meager playoff race is the same thing as speaking Chinese to him. It's Hamhuis and Vrbata all over again among many other examples, but much worse this time.

I'm not even at all pissed at management. This pattern has lasted forever and points to only one person where are ire should be directed. Never thought I'd ever do this, but I am cheering hard for Calgary and any of the other playoff hopefuls to beat us out. I don't want Aquafuck to earn an extra penny even if it hurts our future. Will I jump back on if they get in and make a miraculous run? I bleed blue, green, red, yellow, black, dark navy blue, silver, crimson, cream and salmon red, and maybe for Quinn's sake, so I can't ever say never. But good luck that's going to happen anyway. Would much rather see this owner lose big this year.

Maybe the next riot we can drag Aquilini out of his office and set him on fire.

That would be a cathartic experience.