2025 Canucks Off-season

[Megaterio Llamas]

Top 6 forward issue resolved?


https://x.com/canucks/status/1925626996756762639?s=61

Interesting. You never know.

My son’s Latvian friend compared the kid to Mason Marchment. He was just one age level above my boy when he played there. Probably a better shot than Ronalds Kenins back in the day as far as Latvian forward prospects in Vancouver’s system.

Interesting Lancer. I like the sound of that. We can always hope, eh, doesn't cost anything.

[Madcombinepilot]

You aren't getting a 2 C for Demko or Silovs/Chtyl.

Demko is a top-5 goaltender when healthy. He's worth a 2C.

Goalies don't rank as high as 1C or 1D, but when you consider some of the 2C's in the league, the value is there. His health does devalue him, but chances are Demko would command $8.5M (or more) in free agency. In terms of payroll, that is an elite 2C.

Agree on Silovs and Chytil. The former has no resume at the NHL level outside of a playoff round in which his struggles with tracking long shots through traffic was badly exposed. Chytil is one decent hit (or awkward contact) away from missing most of a season. There's no value there.

He hasn't been healthy much. He has one year left on his deal. He's soon to be 30. If he tears it up next year and agrees to an extension that is reasonable, he might get a low end 2 C.

Chytl is a low end 2C

[Blob Mckenzie]

You aren't getting a 2 C for Demko or Silovs/Chtyl.

Demko is a top-5 goaltender when healthy. He's worth a 2C.

Goalies don't rank as high as 1C or 1D, but when you consider some of the 2C's in the league, the value is there. His health does devalue him, but chances are Demko would command $8.5M (or more) in free agency. In terms of payroll, that is an elite 2C.

Agree on Silovs and Chytil. The former has no resume at the NHL level outside of a playoff round in which his struggles with tracking long shots through traffic was badly exposed. Chytil is one decent hit (or awkward contact) away from missing most of a season. There's no value there.

He hasn't been healthy much. He has one year left on his deal. He's soon to be 30. If he tears it up next year and agrees to an extension that is reasonable, he might get a low end 2 C.

Chytl is a low end 2C

Chytl has a squashed dome. He's got no value.

[Chef Boi RD]

Lesson learned? Do not trade for players with a history of concussions. From Ferland to Chytil to Byram (stay away from), this needs to be a no-go zone. How long has Rutherford been at this? He should know better, ffs. The incompetency knows no bounds here in Vancouver’s front office. I hear the Shanaplan is available. Should we go there? How’s this? Shanaplan for President, Rob Blake for GM? Along with Adam Foote our front office will be the toughest in the league

[Madcombinepilot]

You aren't getting a 2 C for Demko or Silovs/Chtyl.

Demko is a top-5 goaltender when healthy. He's worth a 2C.

Goalies don't rank as high as 1C or 1D, but when you consider some of the 2C's in the league, the value is there. His health does devalue him, but chances are Demko would command $8.5M (or more) in free agency. In terms of payroll, that is an elite 2C.

Agree on Silovs and Chytil. The former has no resume at the NHL level outside of a playoff round in which his struggles with tracking long shots through traffic was badly exposed. Chytil is one decent hit (or awkward contact) away from missing most of a season. There's no value there.

He hasn't been healthy much. He has one year left on his deal. He's soon to be 30. If he tears it up next year and agrees to an extension that is reasonable, he might get a low end 2 C.

Chytl is a low end 2C

Chytl has a squashed dome. He's got no value.

Shure.

So, so we are talking the same thing, can you please define what a “low end C” is? — not in games played, but in production, or even a PPG pace.

[Blob Mckenzie]

You aren't getting a 2 C for Demko or Silovs/Chtyl.

Demko is a top-5 goaltender when healthy. He's worth a 2C.

Goalies don't rank as high as 1C or 1D, but when you consider some of the 2C's in the league, the value is there. His health does devalue him, but chances are Demko would command $8.5M (or more) in free agency. In terms of payroll, that is an elite 2C.

Agree on Silovs and Chytil. The former has no resume at the NHL level outside of a playoff round in which his struggles with tracking long shots through traffic was badly exposed. Chytil is one decent hit (or awkward contact) away from missing most of a season. There's no value there.

He hasn't been healthy much. He has one year left on his deal. He's soon to be 30. If he tears it up next year and agrees to an extension that is reasonable, he might get a low end 2 C.

Chytl is a low end 2C

Chytl has a squashed dome. He's got no value.

Shure.

So, so we are talking the same thing, can you please define what a “low end C” is? — not in games played, but in production, or even a PPG pace.

Chytil is a 30 point guy. FFS, you watch enough hockey. Cirelli, Tavares, Granlund, Robertson, Duchene, etc are high end 2nd line centres that good teams have. You can't win shit with Shityl when he can't stay healthy. 30-45 point scorers who cant play a lick of D and are soft are low end 2nd line pivots.

William Karlsson would be a great pickup but much like Cirelli why is their team trading them?

Seattle and Dallas are the only teams I see with an abundance of wealth down the middle. Dallas has Bourque. Do they want a right shot D man like Willander to let Miro go back to his natural side? I am curious if Newhook can be converted back to centre. The Habs seem like a decent trade partner. Would like a Jack Eye or two...Anderson perhaps..... Gorton (called it) has done a masterful job there.

I like Suter but he gets shredded in the dot and he's small. Him and EP versus Connor and the German lol. If not size they need some fucking speed there. I'd bring back Suter as a second line winger though,who could fill in at centre short term.

[JelloPuddingPop]

You aren't getting a 2 C for Demko or Silovs/Chtyl.

Not sure Blobby, his health is certainly a concern, but recent examples show Jacob Markstrom was traded for Bahl (55th OA) and 1st. Kuemper was traded for PLD, who is certainly a 2nd line player (though with a stupid cap hit, and admittingly some baggage.). Even Askarov got a couple of prospects and a 1st rd pk.

Demko is at least in Markstrom's category - if not slightly better, and certainly better than Kuemper and an unproven Askarov.

[JelloPuddingPop]

Seattle and Dallas are the only teams I see with an abundance of wealth down the middle. Dallas has Bourque. Do they want a right shot D man like Willander to let Miro go back to his natural side? I am curious if Newhook can be converted back to centre. The Habs seem like a decent trade partner. Would like a Jack Eye or two...Anderson perhaps..... Gorton (called it) has done a masterful job there.

I had mentioned previously a trade for one of the centermen from Dallas - they have depth there, and might want to improve their D. I had suggested Hronek+ for Hintz instead of Willander for Bourque, but either might work.

[UWSaint]

Chytil is a 30 point guy. FFS, you watch enough hockey. Cirelli, Tavares, Granlund, Robertson, Duchene, etc are high end 2nd line centres that good teams have. You can't win shit with Shityl when he can't stay healthy. 30-45 point scorers who cant play a lick of D and are soft are low end 2nd line pivots.

Chytil is a highly skilled player whose skill hasn't translated to significant points -- 45 point pace over 82 games over last 3 seasons. But he's not playing 82 games, and he's worse that average defensively, or at least prone to bizarre decisions in his own end. You might be able to survive with a 40-50 point 2d line center who plays almost all the game (with sufficient wings), a team might be able to survive with that pace as a 2d line center who is a good bet to miss 25 games if that player is also excellent defensively. But Chytl is neither reliable or defensively sound. He's like, I don't know, Anthony Beauvillier with a mushy melon.

And the noggin injuries are a huge flag because the fall into the category of likely to recur. And his game sort of invites it (he holds the puck a lot, and he's doesn't play scared -- this are good things -- but it just increased the chance of not seeing the hits coming). I like his D to O transition play, like his hands, like his overall disposition. If it were two years ago, I might think there's something more there. because there are NHL+ attributes in his game that are undeniable. But since then, he's had multiple concussions and his production, when on the ice, hasn't taken a step forward. Its wishful thinking to think he will do so now. I wouldn't call it an impossibility, but I would put even odds on Raty having more points than Chytl next year....

In many regards, Suter is the anti-Chytl. Suter's is a game of smarts, not skill, calculated decisions, not risk. He's a player who has a high floor because of his defensive reliability and ability to play many positions. He was an asset for the team last year, and would have been at 3 times his salary. But Suter's best value is as an insurance player who can spell in the top 6 when there's an injury, or give a different look to a line needing a shake up. Suter's good, but if you are relying on him for 16+ minutes a night, I just think that means your team isn't anything better than bubbly unless you are truly elite at keeping the puck out of the net.

[Madcombinepilot]

You aren't getting a 2 C for Demko or Silovs/Chtyl.

Demko is a top-5 goaltender when healthy. He's worth a 2C.

Goalies don't rank as high as 1C or 1D, but when you consider some of the 2C's in the league, the value is there. His health does devalue him, but chances are Demko would command $8.5M (or more) in free agency. In terms of payroll, that is an elite 2C.

Agree on Silovs and Chytil. The former has no resume at the NHL level outside of a playoff round in which his struggles with tracking long shots through traffic was badly exposed. Chytil is one decent hit (or awkward contact) away from missing most of a season. There's no value there.

He hasn't been healthy much. He has one year left on his deal. He's soon to be 30. If he tears it up next year and agrees to an extension that is reasonable, he might get a low end 2 C.

Chytl is a low end 2C

Chytl has a squashed dome. He's got no value.

Shure.

So, so we are talking the same thing, can you please define what a “low end C” is? — not in games played, but in production, or even a PPG pace.

Chytil is a 30 point guy. FFS, you watch enough hockey. Cirelli, Tavares, Granlund, Robertson, Duchene, etc are high end 2nd line centres that good teams have. You can't win shit with Shityl when he can't stay healthy. 30-45 point scorers who cant play a lick of D and are soft are low end 2nd line pivots.

William Karlsson would be a great pickup but much like Cirelli why is their team trading them?

Seattle and Dallas are the only teams I see with an abundance of wealth down the middle. Dallas has Bourque. Do they want a right shot D man like Willander to let Miro go back to his natural side? I am curious if Newhook can be converted back to centre. The Habs seem like a decent trade partner. Would like a Jack Eye or two...Anderson perhaps..... Gorton (called it) has done a masterful job there.

I like Suter but he gets shredded in the dot and he's small. Him and EP versus Connor and the German lol. If not size they need some fucking speed there. I'd bring back Suter as a second line winger though,who could fill in at centre short term.

I understand what a high end 2C is, what's a "low end 2C" Thats the conversation we are defining.

[Lancer]

Chytil is a 30 point guy. FFS, you watch enough hockey. Cirelli, Tavares, Granlund, Robertson, Duchene, etc are high end 2nd line centres that good teams have. You can't win shit with Shityl when he can't stay healthy. 30-45 point scorers who cant play a lick of D and are soft are low end 2nd line pivots.

Chytil is a highly skilled player whose skill hasn't translated to significant points -- 45 point pace over 82 games over last 3 seasons. But he's not playing 82 games, and he's worse that average defensively, or at least prone to bizarre decisions in his own end. You might be able to survive with a 40-50 point 2d line center who plays almost all the game (with sufficient wings), a team might be able to survive with that pace as a 2d line center who is a good bet to miss 25 games if that player is also excellent defensively. But Chytl is neither reliable or defensively sound. He's like, I don't know, Anthony Beauvillier with a mushy melon.

And the noggin injuries are a huge flag because the fall into the category of likely to recur. And his game sort of invites it (he holds the puck a lot, and he's doesn't play scared -- this are good things -- but it just increased the chance of not seeing the hits coming). I like his D to O transition play, like his hands, like his overall disposition. If it were two years ago, I might think there's something more there. because there are NHL+ attributes in his game that are undeniable. But since then, he's had multiple concussions and his production, when on the ice, hasn't taken a step forward. Its wishful thinking to think he will do so now. I wouldn't call it an impossibility, but I would put even odds on Raty having more points than Chytl next year....

In many regards, Suter is the anti-Chytl. Suter's is a game of smarts, not skill, calculated decisions, not risk. He's a player who has a high floor because of his defensive reliability and ability to play many positions. He was an asset for the team last year, and would have been at 3 times his salary. But Suter's best value is as an insurance player who can spell in the top 6 when there's an injury, or give a different look to a line needing a shake up. Suter's good, but if you are relying on him for 16+ minutes a night, I just think that means your team isn't anything better than bubbly unless you are truly elite at keeping the puck out of the net.

I consider Chytil as surplus value. His biggest value to the team may be in getting knocked out again and put on LTIR. Otherwise, he strikes me as a fast, yet replaceable, stickhandling middle-six forward.

Suter as a 2C would appeal to a team who is climbing out of a tank looking for a 2C who can slot in until pressured out either that season or next by younger prospects. I agree that he is valuable to Vancouver as a 3rd-line C/2nd-line winger who can slot in as 2C in case of injury. Hopefully he'll reach a deal that pays him as much.

Please say no to Tavares, assuming he leaves his boyhood dream team. The Canucks are not the fastest team in the league, and Tavares would only make them slower. Kinda hard to bang it into Petey's head to play faster when they add someone like Tavares as the 2C.

I think management is looking at the trade front to address the 2C hole. It's already seeping into public discourse that they're shopping Hronek - assuming they are shopping him to get a 2C. They must really believe in the potential of Mancini/D-Petey/Willander in that case. Hopefully they're right. Hronek is not an insignificant trade-piece, even if he doesn't command the kind of return management needs on his own.

[Cousin Strawberry]

I can see Suter going to join tocket in Philly to nestle in under his warm, downy wing

[Strangelove]

I can see Suter going to join tocket in Philly to nestle in under his warm, downy wing

[Cousin Strawberry]

He's getting off pretty easy in Van in my opinion. He completely quit on the Canucks and by doing so has, shown to be full of shit with everything he preaches to the players, fans, the hockey world

I hope he shit cans it in Philly

[Strangelove]

Agreed.