Canucks News N Notes 24-25

[Argay Ham]

I have that in me, like Jake LaMotta at the kitchen table. But what gets Chefs goat sometimes is this weird spin cycle, this regime seems to be frolicking in and that is, flipping assets from a trade to get what they want from somewhere else. They keep trying to recreate the flip a pick for Hronek scene, like they have a patent on it, stubbornness with regards to this seems seems to have taken a hold of them. Me, myself? I would have rather see some patience in their mindset. Hronek is fine but I’d rather have Sandin Pellika whom Detroit picked with that flipped pick. He’s a beauty prospect.

This regime is making the same mistake as the Elmer regime in that they foolishly believe they can trade their way to the top but unfortunately each trade they make has turned this team into a one star team with a bunch of average players - welcome to the mushy middle. You win with your horses, bottom line, not your Jabrones.

Jabrones are the no name nobody WWF wrestlers whom the Rock dropped the rock bottom people’s elbow on with vicious ferocity.

It's spelled 'jabroni', you jabroni.

It's not management that's out here clamouring that we trade Demko for a mid-round pick or EP40 for spare parts. It's us, the fans. We apply that pressure.

And Boi, is that pressure sometimes retarded. And sometimes, we actually get our wish. And boi, when that happens does some truly retarded shit happen.

Anyways, today let's talk about trading Quinn Hughes for a bag of pucks because this franchise is fucked and it's more comfortable for me to watch a team that serves as a feeder system for proper teams. What can I say? I love losing. I must be a loser. Good thing I have the Canucks and you guys to back me up on this.

TANK BABY

[dangler]

Speaking of Quinn, it was nice to hear him pumping Peteys tires in his post game interview. Guy is true captain material.
I think he'll give Pinky & the Brain until his contract is up before deciding on staying. Rutherford might've had enough by then,maybe Tocchet too. If they don't figure a way to get a 1C in the near future I'd guess the team becomes a cellar dweller again.

[rats19]

What’s with 2 back to backs in the same week?

How often does that happen?

[Hockey Widow]

Ya Quinn saying it like it is. Pettersson having had to put up with a lot of crap this year but calling him a warrior. He really is a good captain.

Speaking of Pettersson I think he must have had media sensitivity training recently. He has been facing the media and is much more cordial. It is a good look and will go a long way to help getting rid of his reputation for being a prima dona.

[306NucksFan]

I imagine Allvin and Babe Ruth think they can trade their way out of the mess they put themselves in, unfortunately every trade they make lowers the skill level of this team. It’s going in the wrong direction for them. And regarding the ‘tradeable assets’, the quality assets, the quantity of quality or should I say lack thereof - to trade, is as as bleak as the DTES.

There is only one way out of this - a tear it down full tank rebuild! Stop kidding yourselves

I feel like you are overreacting.

I have that in me, like Jake LaMotta at the kitchen table. But what gets Chefs goat sometimes is this weird spin cycle, this regime seems to be frolicking in and that is, flipping assets from a trade to get what they want from somewhere else. They keep trying to recreate the flip a pick for Hronek scene, like they have a patent on it. The stubbornness with regards to this seems to have taken a hold of them. Me, myself? I would rather see some patience in their mindset. Hronek is fine but I’d rather have Sandin Pellika whom Detroit picked with that flipped pick. He’s a beauty prospect.

This regime is making the same mistake as the Elmer regime in that they foolishly believe they can trade their way to the top but unfortunately with each trade they make it has turned this team into a one star team with a bunch of average players - welcome to the mushy middle. You win with your horses, bottom line, not your Jabrones.

Jabrones are the no name nobody WWF wrestlers whom the Rock dropped the rock bottom people’s elbow on with vicious ferocity.

I'm not sure how much street cred I will lose...but I agree with you.

Both my previous and current career as well as living in a tiny city with an NHL team puts me in contact with players, coaches and other OEG types. The ones that I am close-ish with laugh at me for being a Canucks fan. The consensus seems to be that Vancouver is a hard place for superstars to play, with Pavel Bure being the example still. But think about it, the second players have a rough time the fan base turns on them. But on the other hand slobs like Brock Boeser are fawned over. Brock Boeser is a slow, lazy, soft scoring winger who scored 40 riding the wing on a motivated JT Miller. No one wants him, but Canucks fans looooove the guy.

The second biggest criticism, or observation maybe, is drafting. I literally had this conversation with someone the other day, when I argued our drafting is not "that bad, look at Quinn Hughes", she responded "haha Patrick White".

[Blob Mckenzie]

Speaking of Quinn, it was nice to hear him pumping Peteys tires in his post game interview. Guy is true captain material.
I think he'll give Pinky & the Brain until his contract is up before deciding on staying. Rutherford might've had enough by then,maybe Tocchet too. If they don't figure a way to get a 1C in the near future I'd guess the team becomes a cellar dweller again.

No idea who Pinky and the Brain are. Management will need to know by next summer if he's extending or not. I would think Edmonton will be the same way with McDavid this coming summer. And if you can't sign these guys you move them then or 20 -30 games in the season. Walking them to UFA would be asinine.

[Lancer]

Ya Quinn saying it like it is. Pettersson having had to put up with a lot of crap this year but calling him a warrior. He really is a good captain.

Speaking of Pettersson I think he must have had media sensitivity training recently. He has been facing the media and is much more cordial. It is a good look and will go a long way to help getting rid of his reputation for being a prima dona.

I appreciated Quinn standing up for Petey like that. Good on Petey for putting Quinn in a position where he could do so credibly. I don’t think it’s bullshit either; I’m willing to believe that Quinn thinks Petey has it in him to be a 1C. That’s Captain stuff right there.

Still too early to tell, and even so it may be a little too little too late this season, but we may be seeing a Petey redemption narrative getting rolling. Last night gave reason for hope. It would be a nice change this season, if it’s real.

[Cornuck]

Last night gave reason for hope. It would be a nice change this season, if it’s real.

It's been building the last few games. It's easy to write him off, but there's still the same talent in there got 100 points.

One more storyline to watch (and hopefully enjoy) as the season winds down.

[Nuckertuzzi]

The consensus seems to be that Vancouver is a hard place for superstars to play, with Pavel Bure being the example still. But think about it, the second players have a rough time the fan base turns on them.

True. They/we turned on Pavel the season after his ACL took him out for a year. Markus for playoff no-shows and general lack of any meaningful moments. Luongo for his playoff meltdowns (for which I am as guilty of as anybody). And now Petey, to degrees I have never seen. And I don't know if I am the only one, but really admire the fact that he genuinely wants to be here longterm even after all the shit thrown his way the past couple years. Kinda shocking really...you'd think if presented a chance to go hide out in Carolina he'd rush to the airport.

Even a legend like Sakic, who you'd think wouldn't be phased by anything, never wanted to play here...not even his hometown with street named after him.

But on the other hand slobs like Brock Boeser are fawned over.

Good guys still carry weight and there's no better guy to cheer for than Brock. And while I agree that he's overrated, we have to acknowledge the good. Last year's brief but fun playoffs fall short without his heroics, especially against Nashville. 47 goals is 47 goals even with a good JT. But you are right in that it's a major frustration that he can't find chemistry with anybody else. I have no problems moving off of him. Just still kills me that we had a chance to get something first and didn't.

The second biggest criticism, or observation maybe, is drafting. I literally had this conversation with someone the other day, when I argued our drafting is not "that bad, look at Quinn Hughes", she responded "haha Patrick White".

Every team in the league has their Quinn Hughes and Patrick Whites. Difference is we seem to get a disproportionate amount of the latter.

[Nuckertuzzi]

Speaking of Pettersson I think he must have had media sensitivity training recently. He has been facing the media and is much more cordial. It is a good look and will go a long way to help getting rid of his reputation for being a prima dona.

I personally thought that whole "annoying media" comment was misconstrued and the media blew it up bigger than it was. I read it as the last thing or hardest thing to do when you're having a tough season is deal with the media. Absolutely nothing wrong with that notion. Problem is Petey is temperamental and understandably struggles with articulating his thoughts in English. And the combination of those things, his rough season, and the media always looking for red meat will jump all over a blanket statement like "annoying media", blowing it up to make him look like a petulant prima dona.

Instead of sensitivity training, I wonder if the team missed an opportunity to clear the air for him. Either way, you're right, it does go a long way in smoothing the relationship with fans and media. Although, guaranteed we wouldn't be saying this if not for the good week he's had. Let's not kid ourselves, it's all tied to performance.

[Topper]

Ya Quinn saying it like it is. Pettersson having had to put up with a lot of crap this year but calling him a warrior. He really is a good captain.

Speaking of Pettersson I think he must have had media sensitivity training recently. He has been facing the media and is much more cordial. It is a good look and will go a long way to help getting rid of his reputation for being a prima dona.

It is obvious someone got hold of him and told to go out and face up to the shitty season and own it. It is the only way the media will get off your back. Be honest and they will back off. I mentioned this after his mea culpa presser.

A play he made behind his D goal line against Calgary, turning with the puck back into the boards and squeezing through two forchecker to take the but behind the net to the open side was impressive. I had to rewind because I didn't believe he would attempt that power move. Surprising.

[Madcombinepilot]

O'Conner's feet move faster than his hands and his brain. If his hands catch up to his feet he'll be Mason Raymond. Mason was a fine 3rd line player.

If his head and hands catch up he will be a better 3rd line winger. Raymond was the antithesis of a physical player, he had skill and smarts, but remained a perimeter player.

Our current version of Pettersson is a better comparison to Raymond.....although I'd take Raymond over Eleven Pointsixersson right now because at least Raymond could stay on his feet and had a really good first step.

Raymond was good along the boards.. a real tiger. Dude was all in, head first for that shit.

[Madcombinepilot]

Just flush this team down the drain already this season. Can we just fast-forward to the draft already??

And what an exciting draft it would've been had we...

- picked up a 1st or 2nd for Brock

- a 2nd or 3rd for Pius

- kept the 1st from the Miller trade

- slid further down in the standings from these moves to improve our own 1st


Even though Marcus Pettersson had a rough game last night, I do really like him. But was it so necessary to get him and O'Connor now when there was a decent chance to claim them both for no acquisition costs in the summer? Good chance we're missing the playoffs so we just threw away several high draft picks plus a prospect in Fernstrom for nothing.

As the wheels of stupidity go round and round, round and round....

Only thing is if the Pens were looking for picks, MPete would have been traded to another team. Then we are still looking for a player. Sometimes, you gotta make the move to get your guy.

With that, the question becomes wether ot not this is the time for such a move, and THATS the debate....

[Madcombinepilot]

I have that in me, like Jake LaMotta at the kitchen table. But what gets Chefs goat sometimes is this weird spin cycle, this regime seems to be frolicking in and that is, flipping assets from a trade to get what they want from somewhere else. They keep trying to recreate the flip a pick for Hronek scene, like they have a patent on it, stubbornness with regards to this seems seems to have taken a hold of them. Me, myself? I would have rather see some patience in their mindset. Hronek is fine but I’d rather have Sandin Pellika whom Detroit picked with that flipped pick. He’s a beauty prospect.

This regime is making the same mistake as the Elmer regime in that they foolishly believe they can trade their way to the top but unfortunately each trade they make has turned this team into a one star team with a bunch of average players - welcome to the mushy middle. You win with your horses, bottom line, not your Jabrones.

Jabrones are the no name nobody WWF wrestlers whom the Rock dropped the rock bottom people’s elbow on with vicious ferocity.

It's spelled 'jabroni', you jabroni.

It's not management that's out here clamouring that we trade Demko for a mid-round pick or EP40 for spare parts. It's us, the fans. We apply that pressure.

And Boi, is that pressure sometimes retarded. And sometimes, we actually get our wish. And boi, when that happens does some truly retarded shit happen.

Anyways, today let's talk about trading Quinn Hughes for a bag of pucks because this franchise is fucked and it's more comfortable for me to watch a team that serves as a feeder system for proper teams. What can I say? I love losing. I must be a loser. Good thing I have the Canucks and you guys to back me up on this.

TANK BABY

And the Media... people don't realize how good the media is at pushing an agenda. Its the only thing that Vancouver media is good at.. and thats whipping up the masses with a negative story to push an agenda.

[Chef Boi RD]

And that’s the sticking point for me, the “timing of their trade’s”. It’s why this market gets triggered. We’ve just seen this shit show over and over and over again, too many times, same old shit different crew. It can be argued with legitimacy that with the timing of their trades that they truly don’t know where this group is in the curve, it’s like they are in denial. So the mandate as usual is to push against the forces, trade their way out of it thinking they’ll be the first one’s to achieve it. Just once can we get a management group who truly understands where this team is in curve and not push against it, try to fast track it, cause as of now I’m more bullish on the outlook of your Utah’s and Anaheim’s than I am the Canucks. Three years from now after multiple post season beatings from your Oilers and Stars it’s gonna be those teams who will be handing us our lunches next. Trust me, I’ve witnessed this fascination for many years now here in Vancouver. Its in the fucking water.