Just What Do the Sedins Do?

[Topper]

What kind of leadership have Daniel and Henrik Sedin been providing both in their final playing days when Hank was still captain and in their more recent manager/coach/development roles?

This comes out of Bieksa's locker room speech when he was in town for his ring of honour night. He spoke of the dedication of the 2011 team, the amount of extra work put in by the leadership group of Dan/Hank/Roberto/Kesler and Bieksa. How Kesler would be on the ice late practicing his shot, the 500 shots a day in the off season on and on...

It seemed that none of this was taking place under Bo's captaincy. Why? He learned to be a captain under Hank's tenure, the twins were still around in management and whatever other role they had. Were they silent on this?

Nothing changed until Ricky arrived. Bo was sent packing, quite possibly because of his lack of leadership. The before and after practice work, setting the example, not just standing at the bench for post game high fives as the team leaves the ice.

We also have Pettersson's stalled development. Ricky commented post season that he expected Scooter Boy to arrive in camp in the top three of team fitness. Has he been a lazy fuck in the off season, gettin by on gettin by?

Brock as well, though the dying and dead dad make for convenient excuses.

It ties in with RoboSwede commenting generally on several player's fitness level and in season commitment to fitness to get through the season.

Daniel and Henrik were always the most fit of the group when training camp opened. They were untouchable on the Grouse Grind. Where have they been in instilling that commitment to fitness in the current group? Daniel runs ultra marathons for Christs sake. Why have they shirked responsibility for instilling leadership in fitness and commitment in training and skill development?

Scooter Boy should be thriving under their tutelage. Instead, he is weak, can’t battle through checks, falls to his knees on the slightest contact and of sucking it up to do better, he uses undisclosed knee pain that never cost him a shift, kept him on the PK and PP. A whining bitch. That isn’t the Sedin way. Hank played with a wrecked back, standing on the bench because he was unable to sit on the bench between shifts. He also played centre with a damaged wing, unable to take faceoffs.

What the hell do the Sedins bring to the table? Apparently, 2nd unit PP was their baby last year. Ricky ran the 1st unit.

I don’t see their influence on what they were known most for. Leadership, fitness, mental and physical toughness. What do they do? We see what Gonchar and Foote are doing with the defense, but we see nothing of the Sedins efforts or whatever they do.

Sacred cows make nice steaks.

[Strangelove]

You can lead a calf to milk but you can't make it drink?

Yes, Scooter Boy has a unique opportunity under the twins.

He should be drinking it all in while he can.

He should be milking them for all they're worth!

But perhaps he yet will...

[5thhorseman]

The speedbagging ruined everything.

[Topper]

You can lead a calf to milk but you can't make it drink?

Yes, Scooter Boy has a unique opportunity under the twins.

He should be drinking it all in while he can.

He should be milking them for all they're worth!

But perhaps he yet will...

It isn't just Scooter.

Was the JuJu man collapsing in a corner the result of Sedin commitment to fitness?

Was Capitan Bo offering the JuJu man a shoulder to cry on the leadership he learned from Hank?

Goldobin flaming out. Pod spinning his wheels? Krutov Kuzmenko arriving at camp with a Bali belly.

These were all talented players who needed discipline and leadership. Hasn't that been Henrik and Dan's forte? Isn't that their role?

[Blob Mckenzie]

So now we are bitching about the twins?

I guess that means the team is relevant again. People look for shit to complain about.

Olli was a joke. The guy had the competitiveness of an aphid. Sami Salo called him out: Sore back, sore knee, poor me. It was a horrendous pick and indefensible.

"Scooter Boy" is one the top 20 scorers the last five years while being a solid defensive player. He isn't a PP merchant. That's fake news. He's dragged around linemates for two years.

As for Henrik and Daniel, they are intelligent humans and are HHOF players. I appreciate their brains in the organization.

Bo Horvat was on his way out long before "Ricky" arrived in Vancouver. Allvin low balled him in July 2022. Shit happens. They got a decent return.

[donlever]

It's a good post, a question to consider and a solid discussion point.

A great off season topic.

I hope it gets the roll it deserves.

I don't really look at Toppers query as Sedin bashing as Blob indicates but rather a question of whether anticipated roi is in play with respect to what was expected when they were brought in considering what their ultimate talents were.

Preparation.
Dedication.
Focused direct approach.
Fitness.
Leadership.
Puck control.
Skill.

Are they actually able to transition the best of them to the "new age" player?

Is there a generational issue here with an entitled, new age player personality?

Does the immediacy of financial return in the evolving cap market create a player that figures he's "got it made" and doesn't require or desire finite directives?

Or...

Are they more lead by example individuals as opposed to chalk board X and O guys?

This is a topic for consideration and discussion and, like the DeBrusk conversation I want to have with UW deserves more of my time to offer a considered response.

Busy life...I hope I find it.

Good post Topper.

[Blob Mckenzie]

It s a fine post. I had a bit of a salty response. The Horvat point stands for me. And Topper carrying around Yao
Ming on his shoulders with the Pettersson bashing is an eye roll for sure.

Back to the meat of his post.....it's a fair point. What are their rolls? It's coaching/development,I guess. They've never had an official designation to my knowledge. Aquilini hired them, likely against Elmer's will, then Rutherford came in after Boudreau, then he hired Allvin. The timing was odd, and the new administration inherited the twins. They are franchise icons. You aren't going to fire them, obviously.

Do they want to be coaches? Is Danny management material? Is Hank? Would one of them want to stand behind the bench? I know they are more into coaching, but maybe designate a role for each of them? Do they pick berries for Francesco in the summer? I like the fact that they are in the organization as they lend brains, class and credibility. I'd be curious to see if either one has the chops to be a GM or coach down the road.

I like the bigger coaching staff/management. Is pretty clear the players do as well.

[rikster]

It's a good post, a question to consider and a solid discussion point.

A great off season topic.

I hope it gets the roll it deserves.

I don't really look at Toppers query as Sedin bashing as Blob indicates but rather a question of whether anticipated roi is in play with respect to what was expected when they were brought in considering what their ultimate talents were.

Preparation.
Dedication.
Focused direct approach.
Fitness.
Leadership.
Puck control.
Skill.

Are they actually able to transition the best of them to the "new age" player?

Is there a generational issue here with an entitled, new age player personality?

Does the immediacy of financial return in the evolving cap market create a player that figures he's "got it made" and doesn't require or desire finite directives?

Or...

Are they more lead by example individuals as opposed to chalk board X and O guys?

This is a topic for consideration and discussion and, like the DeBrusk conversation I want to have with UW deserves more of my time to offer a considered response.

Busy life...I hope I find it.

Good post Topper.

Yup, good post except for the part where he can't be bothered to learn what their role has been since they retired...

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/vancouver ... rd-canucks

Take care...

[Chef Boi RD]

Thr Pettersson bashing is over the top, he’ll learn from the playoff experience. Also he shows up to camp as one one of the most fittest guys in camp year in year out unlike oscar weiner lover - Jake Virtanen all “BC born and raised”, king pin dufus from the Valley. The part Petey needs to figure out is how to stay as fit over the course of the season. The cat hit the wall around the all star game.

[Topper]

The OP paired down to my usual succinct posting style.

The heirs of the Smyl - Linden figurehead management legacies not the conduits of wisdom and professional habits to the next generation.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Remember that year Jake shows up looking like Chris Farley? What a clown.

[Topper]

It's a good post, a question to consider and a solid discussion point.

A great off season topic.

I hope it gets the roll it deserves.

I don't really look at Toppers query as Sedin bashing as Blob indicates but rather a question of whether anticipated roi is in play with respect to what was expected when they were brought in considering what their ultimate talents were.

Preparation.
Dedication.
Focused direct approach.
Fitness.
Leadership.
Puck control.
Skill.

Are they actually able to transition the best of them to the "new age" player?

Is there a generational issue here with an entitled, new age player personality?

Does the immediacy of financial return in the evolving cap market create a player that figures he's "got it made" and doesn't require or desire finite directives?

Or...

Are they more lead by example individuals as opposed to chalk board X and O guys?

This is a topic for consideration and discussion and, like the DeBrusk conversation I want to have with UW deserves more of my time to offer a considered response.

Busy life...I hope I find it.

Good post Topper.

Yup, good post except for the part where he can't be bothered to learn what their role has been since they retired...

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/vancouver ... rd-canucks

Take care...

PR fluff piece that highlights my points and their failures at developing the younger players.

As I noted, this goes back to their playing days. Who did Bo learn what it takes to be a Captain in the NHL?

[Chef Boi RD]

Remember that year Jake shows up looking like Chris Farley? What a clown.

Such a disgrace to this province. When are we getting the next Joe Sakic or Scott Niedermeyer, FFS. Seems like never

[rikster]

It's a good post, a question to consider and a solid discussion point.

A great off season topic.

I hope it gets the roll it deserves.

I don't really look at Toppers query as Sedin bashing as Blob indicates but rather a question of whether anticipated roi is in play with respect to what was expected when they were brought in considering what their ultimate talents were.

Preparation.
Dedication.
Focused direct approach.
Fitness.
Leadership.
Puck control.
Skill.

Are they actually able to transition the best of them to the "new age" player?

Is there a generational issue here with an entitled, new age player personality?

Does the immediacy of financial return in the evolving cap market create a player that figures he's "got it made" and doesn't require or desire finite directives?

Or...

Are they more lead by example individuals as opposed to chalk board X and O guys?

This is a topic for consideration and discussion and, like the DeBrusk conversation I want to have with UW deserves more of my time to offer a considered response.

Busy life...I hope I find it.

Good post Topper.

Yup, good post except for the part where he can't be bothered to learn what their role has been since they retired...

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/vancouver ... rd-canucks

Take care...

PR fluff piece that highlights my points and their failures at developing the younger players.

As I noted, this goes back to their playing days. Who did Bo learn what it takes to be a Captain in the NHL?

If you want to take issue with how effective they have been working with the farm team, then give us some rationale and examples for the criticism..

But using fitness levels of players on the parent team to bash their work with minor league players is to be very polite, pretty dumb...

Trying to make light of the high praise they have received for their work with the kids as PR fluff is to be very polite, pretty ignorant...

Take care...

[Topper]

It's a good post, a question to consider and a solid discussion point.

A great off season topic.

I hope it gets the roll it deserves.

I don't really look at Toppers query as Sedin bashing as Blob indicates but rather a question of whether anticipated roi is in play with respect to what was expected when they were brought in considering what their ultimate talents were.

Preparation.
Dedication.
Focused direct approach.
Fitness.
Leadership.
Puck control.
Skill.

Are they actually able to transition the best of them to the "new age" player?

Is there a generational issue here with an entitled, new age player personality?

Does the immediacy of financial return in the evolving cap market create a player that figures he's "got it made" and doesn't require or desire finite directives?

Or...

Are they more lead by example individuals as opposed to chalk board X and O guys?

This is a topic for consideration and discussion and, like the DeBrusk conversation I want to have with UW deserves more of my time to offer a considered response.

Busy life...I hope I find it.

Good post Topper.

Yup, good post except for the part where he can't be bothered to learn what their role has been since they retired...

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/vancouver ... rd-canucks

Take care...

PR fluff piece that highlights my points and their failures at developing the younger players.

As I noted, this goes back to their playing days. Who did Bo learn what it takes to be a Captain in the NHL?

If you want to take issue with how effective they have been working with the farm team, then give us some rationale and examples for the criticism..

But using fitness levels of players on the parent team to bash their work with minor league players is to be very polite, pretty dumb...

Trying to make light of the high praise they have received for their work with the kids as PR fluff is to be very polite, pretty ignorant...

Take care...

Easy, those players are still in the AHL. Why aren't they making the big club? Why is management having to bring in a bunch of 27-30 year olds from other organizations instead of promoting the youth that the Twins have been tutoring?

Results matter.