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donlever wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 6:49 pm Seems to have skating, balance and edge issues to me watching from afar Dude.

I wonder if his knee issues are degenerative and have hampered his skating.

Not being able to accomplish easily what once came naturally then saps confidence.

He is weak in the dot which eminates from a wide, strong base which he may not have.

Pure speculation...


Tendinitis in the knee can become degenerative, a condition often called tendinosis, if left untreated. While tendinitis is initially an inflammatory condition, chronic or recurring cases can lead to small tears and degeneration of the tendon tissue, which is a degenerative process. This can worsen over time without proper care and may involve scar tissue formation, loss of strength, and poor healing potential.

Considering the "work on my brand" character of his early years, one has to ask if this was a known issue for him and so he "got his" with the big extension, but now we get to watch him toil in futility while anchoring the cap situation firmly in the bay, as it were, as the team tries to set sail.

Cousin Strawberry wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 7:17 pm

dangler wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 5:00 pm
And Allvin gave Petey that contract way too soon. His play had already been regressing for a significant amount of time & sure as fuck didn't warrant a 11.6 x 8 contract.

It was either resign him or trade him for fear of him walking. Plus up until the resigning he had been having a career year with well over a ppg.

Untrue.

Misinformation alert!

Lies.

His career year was the season prior. He was showing signs of becoming what we see now at the time of his extension signing.

Mëds is spreading fake news like Trump bombing protesters with shit from his F18

Cousin Strawberry wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 7:20 pm Mëds is spreading fake news like Trump bombing protesters with shit from his F18

Ok there Anderson Cooper.

Cousin Strawberry wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 7:17 pm I still maintain its between the ears

I see skating and balance issues which are not between the ears.

As I posted a couple of weeks back the semi break to breakaway highlight vs Carolina in 2020 was a player clearly with different wheels and edge work.

If it is indeed between the ears as you say they should hire a new sports psychologist within the bowels of Rogers as whomever he is seeing sucks.

He was most certainly no stronger or agile as a 150lb 20 yr old compared to today. It's his will and desire(or lack therof) to fight for time, space and pucks that has vanished.

Remember, that twig of a boy was able to hammer 105 mph rockets and beat out the best shooters in the game. He could sluther through coverage into prime scoring positions and dirty dangle picks right into the net.

He had an elite skill set. Among the top 5 centers in the game.

It doesn't go away from tendonitis or all of a sudden he's not strong enough...it's his will to win that's been eroded.

Cousin Strawberry wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 7:37 pm It doesn't go away from tendonitis or all of a sudden he's not strong enough...it's his will to win that's been eroded.

Sorry Cuz...I disagree...if the health situation is degenerative it could very well make it "go away."

Especially knees on a hockey player.

Sports history is full of dudes who lost their gloss due to nagging injury or degenerating condition.

And these injuries can make people "all of a sudden" not strong enough.

Both of us are speculating here.

But a spade is a spade.

Cousin Strawberry wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 7:17 pm

dangler wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 5:00 pm
And Allvin gave Petey that contract way too soon. His play had already been regressing for a significant amount of time & sure as fuck didn't warrant a 11.6 x 8 contract.

It was either resign him or trade him for fear of him walking. Plus up until the resigning he had been having a career year with well over a ppg.

The only watershed moment that I can tell may have happened was the pressuring by fans/media/management mid season to resign when he had repeatedly stated he didn't want to resign til seasons end.

I still maintain its between the ears

He signed the contract March 2, 2024. His play began regressing after the all-star game (end of January).

Ok the intensity had ramped up for him to resign then.

Lever I'd be on board with that theory if there had been something formally said about it from the team instead but this half assed mention by him...something didn't add up there

Mëds wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 7:18 pm Considering the "work on my brand" character of his early years..

Shades of "The Boz", who knew his shoulder was baked when he was drafted.

donlever wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 7:47 pm

Cousin Strawberry wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 7:37 pm It doesn't go away from tendonitis or all of a sudden he's not strong enough...it's his will to win that's been eroded.

Sorry Cuz...I disagree...if the health situation is degenerative it could very well make it "go away."

Especially knees on a hockey player.

Sports history is full of dudes who lost their gloss due to nagging injury or degenerating condition.

And these injuries can make people "all of a sudden" not strong enough.

Both of us are speculating here.

But a spade is a spade.

The likely scenario is its a combination of both, physical and mental. Perhaps the injury, or a weird training regiment (seems a lot more top heavy, skipped leg day?) - led to him not being as quick/agile as his younger self so not able to compete at the level he was used to, coupled with some sort of mental illness (GAD/SAD/DPD or similar) and now he can't overcome these things.

As well, whatever happened to his "bro, do your dekes"? in his Alien era, he would deke defenders onto their asses. I can't remember the last time he did so.

Is it between the ears, or the result of that wrist injury he sustained a couple years ago? He also isn't ripping his wrist shots like he used to, though that is just as likely between the ears than anything else.

His skating was never dynamic - he'll never be a speedster like MacKinnon - but his skating looks stronger, if not as fast as he maybe was. he looks energetic out there skating short spaces, which tells me his tendonitis isn't an issue as of now.

That said, if his hands aren't what they were, the club my be in for years of 'little things' on a big cap hit. I hope I'm wrong, and it's just a gentler slope back to his former self.

Cousin Strawberry wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 8:49 pm Ok the intensity had ramped up for him to resign then.

Lever I'd be on board with that theory if there had been something formally said about it from the team instead but this half assed mention by him...something didn't add up there

You think the team was going to get in front of that when they had a 14 month window still to trade him?

Keeping him was not the plan at the start of the 2024-25 season. Think about it.....

Tocchet on JT: Heart and soul guy, you can't replace that.

Rutherford: You can't replace a player like JT.

Boeser, Boeser, Hughes, Garland: All relayed similar statements.

Petey shits the bed down the stretch and is completely MIA in the post-season after the Vezina nominee goes down, and Miller, Boeser, and Hughes, do the heavy lifting. He then comes out with some weak-ass excuse about a knee injury that nobody seemed to know fuck all about.

He comes back to camp unprepared having done far less than the rest of his teammates over the summer.

JT is the scapegoat as being the one pissed off, but no way in hell are the other leaders of the team going to be happy with that (if you think they didn't care you're delusional).

When Pettersson started that season the way he ended the previous one, there was absolutely no GM in the league going to be paying any sort of value for what would very clearly be an albatross contract. With no offers incoming, the swirling rumours regarding Aqualini saying no to trading Scooter, and JT pissed off, they did what they did.

How many talking heads have pointed out that almost no players have had a fall-off in play like Pettersson for more than a season and recovered that scoring mojo?

You have former Canucks leaders (Linden, Hank, Dank) who are questioning the player.

The only people defending him are fans who don't want to face the fact that this guy was the ultimate red herring in the rebuild.

None of his teammates, none of his coaches, and none of the management, have outright defended him the way they have other players. They have pointed to his abilities, they have pointed to his potential, and they (except the players) have made comments about him having to put in the work.

While the rose-coloured-glasses-wearing-fans don't want to see this, you can bet your ass that coaches and managers around the league are not blind to it. You can also bet that players around the league would be none-to-thrilled about having him added to their locker room after what happened last season.

So we are stuck with what we are stuck with. The knee injury is the only hope we have of seeing this boat anchor of a contract disappearing before 2032.

Lancer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 8:19 am As well, whatever happened to his "bro, do your dekes"? in his Alien era, he would deke defenders onto their asses. I can't remember the last time he did so.

Is it between the ears, or the result of that wrist injury he sustained a couple years ago? He also isn't ripping his wrist shots like he used to, though that is just as likely between the ears than anything else.

His skating was never dynamic - he'll never be a speedster like MacKinnon - but his skating looks stronger, if not as fast as he maybe was. he looks energetic out there skating short spaces, which tells me his tendonitis isn't an issue as of now.

That said, if his hands aren't what they were, the club my be in for years of 'little things' on a big cap hit. I hope I'm wrong, and it's just a gentler slope back to his former self.

People forget that his former "ripping of wrist shots" relied on a long load-up. That hasn't changed. What has changed is that defenders don't give him the space. This ties into why he doesn't unload on the PP unless the setup pass is perfect, if he has to settle or corral the puck even a little, the defender is there before he can get the shot off. For him to have velocity on a shot it has to be either a one-timer or he needs to load it with the flex of his stick. A wrist injury would certainly impact that. But he's never been a guy that has had a wicked wrist shot that puts him with the elite possessors of that skill.....that list is reserved for guys who could get that shot off with a combination of power, accuracy, and quickness.

Off balance twice...once when what appears relatively lightly checked by the defender.

The second when he turns to congratulate Boeser on the goal.

The back to front transition on the latter looks like someone learning to skate backwards to forwards/vice versa.

Optics like this result in me posing the question about both his knee and his skating.

https://x.com/CanucksArmy/status/197650 ... IG7_g&s=19

Lancer brings up his wrist.

Maybe dude is just one of those humans that doesn't fit back together properly once damaged.