Ban Russia, Ban USA, Blame Canada

[Cousin Strawberry]

I hear ya UW but...what if it's true?

The start of the evidence predates Putin, it predates Reagan, it really predates most players on the global stage.

I encourage you to read over Corn's link. I had a look and it really gets you thinking...ya but what if it's true.

If it is then the United States executive branch of government has been compromised by their enemies and these enemies are utilizing their asset to actively sabotage the NATO alliance, the relationships with historic allies..

What if it's true? Then what?

[UWSaint]

If it is then the United States executive branch of government has been compromised by their enemies and these enemies are utilizing their asset to actively sabotage the NATO alliance, the relationships with historic allies..

What if it's true? Then what?

(1) Russian interference with Trump was the subject of 3 years of intense investigation. And they all just missed it?

(2) NATO countries don't like Trump. NATO's secretary general loves him. Why? Because Trump's diplomacy w/r/t NATO has resulted in additional commitments to NATO that weren't there before. It happened in the first term, and it was reupped in this term. Why? Part of its Russia, but a lot of it is that the US demanded more contributions to the alliance. It was fear the US would walk that led to (a little more) putting money and guns behind words and empty promises. If Russia's been using Trump to sabotage the alliance, these are pretty odd results.

(3) The fissures between Europe and the US have nothing to do with Russophilia (though I totally believe that Russia does everything it can to foment discord in NATO) and everything to do with Europe providing less and less of an argument about why it is the United States' interests to maintain the alliance. Increased defense spending by NATO countries will help to maintain the alliance a lot -- and will help create a balance of power if it ever falls apart (win win). But one thing that always held the alliance together was a shared worldview, an overlapping culture, and a (largely) shared view of liberty and democracy. The American perspective, especially on the MAGA right, is that Europe is more anti-liberty and anti-democracy than ever, and that its a continent that is oikiphobic of its traditions, bankrupt, and resigned to managing its decline. And while that case might be overstated, its not without a factual support. (Much in the same way as European antipathies towards the US and Trump may be overstated, but are not without factual support). That doesn't make China or Russia more like the US in terms of shared values than the US is with Europe, but the traditional, soft ties that bind aren't nearly as strong, and we seem to be moving in opposite directions. If its just about maintaining peace or trade, and it is no longer about a common purpose, then it doesn't matter who the allies are, not to the same degree. Especially when there are nations on the rise where the future could be peace and cooperation or antagonism and zones of nonoverlapping interest.