Ownership and Management

[donlever]

That means no playoff revenue, but that can be offset by actually filling the arena during the regular season.

The local hockey fan may be too tainted (and fickle) to accept this for the initial onslaught of suffering (losing).....

Unless!!!

It comes with a Schaefer, Bedard, Celebrini, Verhoeff, McKenna option attached.

That might fly....

[Chef Boi RD]

Many teams have succeeded the quick in and out one or two season tank rebuild. One doesn’t have to mire there permanently like your Buffalo Sabres. Their are some very good talent coming out of the next few drafts

2026 - McKenna, Verhoeff, Stenberg, Lawrence, Roobroek, Belcherz
2027 - DuPont, Joseph, Privolov, Meyer
2028 - Schultz, Pue, Willis

[Ronning's Ghost]

That means no playoff revenue, but that can be offset by actually filling the arena during the regular season.

The local hockey fan may be too tainted (and fickle) to accept this for the initial onslaught of suffering (losing).....

May be. I'm no sports entertainment marketing guru.

But I suspect you could build a successful marketing campaign around a bunch of loveable losers who tried hard -- at least for a few seasons. (They'd be signing players with better motors than overall talent, and who gave good 'aw shucks' interviews.)

Or they could go full 'Slap Shot' and pull in the fans who like those parts of the on-ice entertainment product. (My recollection of the old New Westminster Bruins crowds.)

All while, as you say, stockpiling the kinds of draft picks on which most championships are built.

Like Chef says, what they are doing now shows no evidence of coming close to working. So part of the sales pitch could include noting that they're finally trying something different.

[donlever]

Presumably everyone has seen this in one way, shape or form.

Been (re)circulating for a while now.

Kesler and Burrows trades that Gillis didn't make would have altered Vancouver Canucks history | Sports

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[Ronning's Ghost]

Presumably everyone has seen this in one way, shape or form.

I had not seen seen that. Thank you.

It is of course impossible to be certain what would have happened in any alternative history scenario but

"Rather than a full-scale rebuild, the team opted to try a quick retool, which failed miserably."

I take comfort from the fact that someone else saw a grey elephant, while many on this board were insisting it was a purple giraffe.

[Madcombinepilot]

Many teams have succeeded the quick in and out one or two season tank rebuild. One doesn’t have to mire there permanently like your Buffalo Sabres. Their are some very good talent coming out of the next few drafts

2026 - McKenna, Verhoeff, Stenberg, Lawrence, Roobroek, Belcherz
2027 - DuPont, Joseph, Privolov, Meyer
2028 - Schultz, Pue, Willis

The only problem with that is just because you draft these kids in 26/27, they are still 2-3 years away from getting close to potential.

Your looking at 5-6 years from now, not 2-3

[Chef Boi RD]

Many teams have succeeded the quick in and out one or two season tank rebuild. One doesn’t have to mire there permanently like your Buffalo Sabres. Their are some very good talent coming out of the next few drafts

2026 - McKenna, Verhoeff, Stenberg, Lawrence, Roobroek, Belcherz
2027 - DuPont, Joseph, Privolov, Meyer
2028 - Schultz, Pue, Willis

The only problem with that is just because you draft these kids in 26/27, they are still 2-3 years away from getting close to potential.

Your looking at 5-6 years from now, not 2-3

Schaefer drafted 2025 playing in the NHL. Misa, Frondell, Martone, Martin, Cootes, Kindel, Smith, O’Brien, Aitchenson are not far behind.

Celebrini drafted 2024 played in the NHL in 2024-25 season. Other 2024 class draft picks playing this season - Levshunov, Senekke, Demidov, Catton, Parekh, Buium,

Bedard drafted 2023 played in the NHL in 2023-24. Carlson, Fantilli, Smith, Michkov, Leonard, Benson, Willander, Sandin-Pelikka, Wood. All playing good hockey in the NHL

I still say it’s worth it. McKenna and Verhoeff will play in the nhl in their draft year

[Madcombinepilot]

I still say it’s worth it. McKenna and Verhoeff will play in the nhl in their draft year

You’re talking exceptions. It was only 30-40 days ago you were not talking favorably about bedard. Just because they play in the NHL draft year +1 does not mean they are a difference maker of the team is going anywhere.

The point I was making is that it takes a few years after draft for the players to start to reach potential, thank you for the examples.

[Picker of Cherries]

It is typical for young forwards to make it faster than young D-men, and the good ones make it pretty fast - D or D+1. Canucks should be focused on drafting good forwards if Hughes re-ups with DPetey, Mancini, Willander and Kudrayavtsev and Mynio already developing. They could turn things around pretty fast if they get some top draft picks that pan out at centre and wing. If the Canucks continue to fall out of the playoffs, they can move Myers, Forbort and MPetey for more picks and jack up the young’s minutes, live with their learning curve mistakes, so they get developed as fast as possible. Three years from now, if they draft forwards well, they could be competitive if they are lucky.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Myers and Pettersson are fixtures in van dressing room and won't be moved I'm pretty sure.

To me if QH isn't willing to resign then it isn't the end of the world. They can probably extract a very very nice return out of Jersey. It would certainly start with the promising big young righty Nemec and keep going from there. The devil's will be drooling over uniting the brothers and willing to part with more than they should I'd wager

[Chef Boi RD]

I still say it’s worth it. McKenna and Verhoeff will play in the nhl in their draft year

You’re talking exceptions. It was only 30-40 days ago you were not talking favorably about bedard. Just because they play in the NHL draft year +1 does not mean they are a difference maker of the team is going anywhere.

The point I was making is that it takes a few years after draft for the players to start to reach potential, thank you for the examples.

A glass half empty on the rebuild idea. Chef’s is half full. We’ve been mired in multiple years of going nowhere but sideways avoiding the rebuild like it’s the plague while fans clamour for the full tank. It ain’t working. Meanwhile, while we been dipsey doodling sideways all these years the prospects of a number of Western Conference peers who had been rebuilding during our sideways trajectory have a much better outlook than ours and are ahead of us in the standings.

[donlever]

Meanwhile, while we been dipsey doodling sideways all these years the prospects of a number of Western Conference peers who had been rebuilding during our sideways trajectory have a much better outlook than ours and are ahead of us in the standings.

Pro or con on the overall topic at hand it is tough to argue the above.

We are, look to be and have been mid for far to long other than a couple of anomalous event seasons.

Once again and to repeat, look no further than the gate to amplify this point.

Fans are talking with their wallets.....

[rikster]

With the Canucks franchise value now nearing $2 Billion and needing to buyout one of its shareholders how will the Aqualini's fund the purchase of Paolo's shares?..

Yeah the Paolo story is an interesting one, has a quiet low, discerning hum to it like the 24/7 highway traffic heard off in the distant. All hush, hush, and for good reasons I imagine. The practice facility has most likely been cast aside until poppa Francesco gets his house in order.

Institutional investors could be what gets Paolo out the door. But I do wonder the affect of having 20% of the organization owned by institutional investors. Is it me or does the “annual” bottom line become even more scrutinized in such a partnership? As we all know the slippery slope of a rebuld - “Buffalo”. A rebuild model doesn’t strike me as good “business sense” in the corporate world. A rebuild I believe requires the owners to go a bit “cowboy”, throwing caution to the wind so to speak.

If you are interested in the business side of the game, The Deal with Alex Rodriguez and Jason Kelly is a podcast worth listening to...

I get it behind a paywall at Bloomberg but it might be available on some of the various podcast platforms...

A recent interview with David Blitzer whose private equity firm owns an interest in every pro sports leagues across North America and a Premier Football team in Europe discusses why Institutional Investors are so heavily involved in pro sports and how their involvment has led to the rapidly rising franchise values...

As far as Institutional Investors getting overly involved in the day to day running of a team, that doesn't seem to be as big a worry as is will leagues allow them majority ownership down the road as franchise values continue to escalate ...For example the Phoenix Suns basketball team was purchased for $1.55 Billion and sold 18 months later for $4 Billion...

Regarding how the Canucks ownership will fund their brothers exit, remember that the consortium of investors who purchased the LA Dodgers paid a price similar to what the Canucks are valued at today....btw the Dodgers today are valued at nearly $5 Billion more than the consortium paid for it...

Speaking of media deals, pretty interesting to note that the NHL is the first North American sports league to sign an agreement to work with prediction market platforms Kalshi and Polymarket ...

[Picker of Cherries]

Myers and Pettersson are fixtures in van dressing room and won't be moved I'm pretty sure.

Petterson I understand, but Myers isn’t playing as well this season as last, and I expect he’ll be even worst next year, the final year of the contract. If you get a good return you move him in a mutually acceptable trade as he has a full NMC. He has a limited NTC next season and loses control of where he is traded next season. If the Canucks are out of the playoffs and re-tooling at this TDL, he should accept a move to a team of his choosing if that team is willing to give up a high enough pick. I’d be looking for a late first rounder from a contender - back to Winnipeg if they get into injury trouble?

[Chef Boi RD]

The excuses from management on why the Canucks can’t rebuild holds no water. The Montreal Canadiens went to the Stanley Cup FINAL, and proceeded to rebuild the next year. It’s all bullshit coming down from up top (ownership). They only care about giving the fans the season by season illusion of a “winning product” just to get butts in seats, plain and simple.

The Canucks have the 3rd worst record in the league and we are 7 games from the 30 game point in the season. This isn’t a missing 2nd line centre problem, it’s much wider than that.