Re-booted SKYO approved pipe dreams and trade ideas

[donlever]

We are waiting now for 2 reasons.

1 - to save the site from descending into another EP shit show back and forth banter so early in the season after we closed out last year doing the same thing

2 - because we have no choice

P.S. as a side comment from a low end Mod perspective when you add lol after the "how long are we going to wait" your response perception meanders away from conversational and towards confrontational - I would hope we are moving close to being done with inflammatory responses as Brian and the Senior Mod group (which is not me) make efforts to regenerate the site traffic for the benefit of us all.

This is not meant as a personal shot but rather using your post as a template for overall comment to the board as a whole.

P.P.S. yes, as you may or may not recall this poster was down with moving him to Carolina and had hoped our Management would be as aggro as possible at the time...perhaps they were.

Necas aside, how much better, for his sake, would EP be as a Hurricane.

[Chef Boi RD]

So, I’m not allowed to chuckle to myself now, regarding my frustrations in waiting for the return of pre-2023-24 All Star game Alien Pettersson? Lever, are you dictating the perception of my “lol”, as some kind of level of trolling on my part? Donny, it’s not always about you, my lol wasn’t intended to flame you, but whatever, this place is becoming impossible, now. The life sucked right out of it. Afraid to speak

[donlever]

I clearly said it wasn't directed at you Dude.

Just an overall comment using you as my Muse.

Please carry on, love your participation.

[Cornuck]

And since there isn't going to be an EP40 trade happening anytime soon, I recommend we move this discussion to the Petey Predicament thread:

viewtopic.php?p=595653#p595653

[donlever]

See now that's a leveling move by a Senior Mod.

Done.

[Meds]

I’m getting done waiting for the old Petey.

Whatever that was I, for one, would be surprised if we saw it again.

Either way he needs to do more than he is doing as our pseudo # 1 centreman.

As stated earlier in the year.

I'd like to see where he is 20 games in.

Considering the state of our overall team health that number may need to be extended to allow for continuity factors.

Or curtailed, because true number one guys reveal themselves and prove their worth at times like these.

On one hand you could argue that a guy who wants to be "The Man" would take an opportunity like this, where the team is depleted due to injuries, to shoulder the load and show everyone he can carry the team.

On the other hand it is understandable that a guy would be unable to do that in the absence of so many regular players.

[Meds]

I'm trying a new approach of watching him without thinking about his salary.

What kind of player is he this year? Is he a solid, defensively sound 3rd line centre with some offensive upside? Is he a potential 2C in a scoring drought? If we had just traded for him, and were paying him 6mil - what would your opinion be?

Should he be on the first power play? I think he's too static waiting for the one timer. I've said before that a player of his skill and mind for the game should keep him in near constant motion on the power play and make defenders worry about where he is. If he's just going to sit and wait for a pass, put him on the 2nd unit. He's good on the PK, and maybe we just need to consider him a potential Selke nominee.

Sure. Unfortunately one cannot assess a player independent of his salary in a cap world.

If you have a 2C that can contribute 20G and 60Pts, well that's great. But at a cap hit of $11.6M it is absolutely putrid.

When the goal is to build a contender, Pettersson either returns to being an 85 point player or he will be the worst contract this team has ever signed. That will only be magnified if the difficulty in constructing a winner because of that albatross costs us Hughes.

[Meds]

Damn that Necas trade is looking good right now. 9 goals 8 assists 13 games.

Playing with MacKinnon and Makar.....but yes, it is. Especially when you think he would have been playing with Miller and Hughes.

[Meds]

And since there isn't going to be an EP40 trade happening anytime soon, I recommend we move this discussion to the Petey Predicament thread:

viewtopic.php?p=595653#p595653

Fuck sakes.....I didn't see this until after I had replied already to posts on the previous page.

[Chef Boi RD]

The discussion started out as Petey trade proposal.

[donlever]

Dude is correct.

[Lancer]

With Barzal apparently on the outs on Long Island, maybe he's worth a flyer? 28 yrs old but is still at roughly just under a point-per-game pace playing for Roy.

Price might be high (or maybe not that high if both sides are done with each other), but would Lekk, Mancini and a 2nd do it? Lekk looked poised to improve on his NHL numbers before he got hurt, but if Vancouver acquired Barzal one of Chytil or Reichel would be pushed to the wing anyway.

[Meds]

With Barzal apparently on the outs on Long Island, maybe he's worth a flyer? 28 yrs old but is still at roughly just under a point-per-game pace playing for Roy.

Price might be high (or maybe not that high if both sides are done with each other), but would Lekk, Mancini and a 2nd do it? Lekk looked poised to improve on his NHL numbers before he got hurt, but if Vancouver acquired Barzal one of Chytil or Reichel would be pushed to the wing anyway.

Dude's original, Petey for Barzal straight up is what we offer. Though I wonder if Petey would waive.

I would even consider tossing in a pick (3rd round or lower) or retaining enough to balance the salaries.

Scouting report on Barzal.....

Few, if any, NHL players have the puck on his stick more than he does; his combination of straight-ahead speed and the ability to cut on a dime and leave change make him a nightmare for opponents. Excels at finding teammates in prime position to score, and is becoming more willing to shoot himself. He is improving his play without the puck but must improve on face-offs. His problems come when he tries to do too much, or gets frustrated and takes needless penalties.

The only issue I have with him is his FOW% is on par with Pettersson's.

The reason I think this is a smart "lateral" move for Vancouver.....

Even retaining to balance the salaries would give the Canucks $1.225M more cap space than they currently have.

Barzal is a kid from Burnaby, that alone is a win with the fans.

Barzal is a better skater.

Barzal has not had the same drop-off in production that we would be hoping he recovers from.

His contract terminates a year earlier.

The rub.....

Does Barzal actually want out?

He was late to the bus for morning skate when the Isles were in Raleigh to face the Hurricanes. Roy benched him for the game as a message of accountability to the team. New York got pounded 6-2 as they had to skate a forward short because the AHL call-up to replace Barzal didn't arrive from Bridgeport due to a cancelled flight.

He see's the team becoming a perennial Cup favourite similar to Dallas.

Him and Horvat have pretty decent chemistry (again).

I'm thinking he does not (want out), unless something has changed in the past 3 weeks. While Patrick Roy is a well known hard-ass, who will cut off his nose to spite his own face, this one incident should not be enough to make a player start looking for greener grass going into his 10th season with the club that drafted him, but if Barzal does wants out over this one incident, then maybe we don't want Barzal here either?

[Lancer]

The rub.....

Does Barzal actually want out?

He was late to the bus for morning skate when the Isles were in Raleigh to face the Hurricanes. Roy benched him for the game as a message of accountability to the team. New York got pounded 6-2 as they had to skate a forward short because the AHL call-up to replace Barzal didn't arrive from Bridgeport due to a cancelled flight.

He see's the team becoming a perennial Cup favourite similar to Dallas.

Him and Horvat have pretty decent chemistry (again).

I'm thinking he does not (want out), unless something has changed in the past 3 weeks. While Patrick Roy is a well known hard-ass, who will cut off his nose to spite his own face, this one incident should not be enough to make a player start looking for greener grass going into his 10th season with the club that drafted him, but if Barzal does wants out over this one incident, then maybe we don't want Barzal here either?

Who can say what the deal is between Barzal and coaching/management? We've seen aspirational rumor-mongering all over the place - hell have you heard about how good Sherwood would look in an Oilers jersey yet? That said, there remains a whiff of plausibility to it all, given how the Islanders have been spinning their wheels.

A lateral trade of Petey for Barzal would make sense - especially from the Islanders PoV. Petey is the more skilled player who has out-performed historically, where Barzal is pretty much what he is. Problem from the Canucks PoV is that it's a lateral trade at best. They would still need a 2C and neither Chytil nor Reichel have proven up to the task to-date.

The only way the trade makes sense is if management gets Barzal and Petey vice Barzal for Petey - unless management is desperate just to get out from Petey's contract. No indications that they're there at this point. By all indications, it seems management wants to support Petey, not replace him.

[Chef Boi RD]

Also, I believe Barzal’s wife is from the New York area. He’s probably like Shea Weber and Jamie Benn and doesn’t want anything to do with with play back home in BC.