Re-booted SKYO approved pipe dreams and trade ideas

[Chef Boi RD]

Personally, more nervous about what they’ll end up giving up for the mediocre centre they’ll get versus not doing anything.
Rather keep Willander than get a Zegras or equivalent. Zegras doesn’t make this team a contender.
They can run with Petey and Chytil as their top two if a player like Zegras is their best addition option.
Worse case of doing nothing is the media is right and Petey fails, Demko and Chytil can’t stay healthy, the Canucks tank, and they get a good shot at McKenna. Could be a great year to retool with that prize available.
Best case Petey returns to form, Chytil and Demko stay healthy and blossom, they get in contention, and add at the trade deadline.
Either case they still have all their young defensemen with a year of NHL development behind them.

Zegras will frustrate the coaching staff to no end, be careful with what you wish for here.

[Lancer]

Personally, more nervous about what they’ll end up giving up for the mediocre centre they’ll get versus not doing anything.

Zegras hits that "type" -- flashes of excellence, but inconsistency and often frustrating play -- but there's nothing about him or his game that makes me think Vancouver & Tochett is a place where Zegras reclamation is going to happen (if it ever does).

I'm sure management would like to replicate Benning's relatively 'buy-low' bet on Miller (and no, I'm not saying this to re-ignite the Blob/Chef management wars but for accuracy's sake). The challenge for the club at this stage is they can't afford for it not to be a home run a-la JT Miller. Even if they aren't paying for an established top-6, a distressed young asset with potential will likely cost more these days than 1st, 3rd and marginal prospect unless the target club is in cap straits - probably not many of those with the cap going up.

They will need to be sure enough in their pro scouts, and I don't know if they are going to even find another JT Miller-like opportunity. For all that's been said about Benning's management, the Miller deal looks like a tidy bit of opportunism and risk-management in hindsight.

Not saying it's impossible, but hopefully management considers this avenue more a contingency than a deliberate approach to solving their 2C problem.

But what I worry about more is that they will add multiple pieces who are better than what exists by a little bit, but don't have significant upside. The Canucks need a difference maker more than they need depth; they've over invested in high floor, low ceiling depth (and just at the time where the marginal benefit of that is decreased due to Abby development). To me, difference maker is a higher priority than position.

I think that's why Rutherford noted that the cost to acquire such a player will be high - conditioning the fan base for a potential sticker shock when they pull off whatever deal they have in mind. They know they need a a difference-maker up front, and they know what the market price will likely be.

That said, unless a club's draft picks beyond the first round turn into home runs most clubs run into the problem of accepting risks in certain parts of their roster to solve problems elsewhere in the roster. Edmonton and Toronto keep searching bargain bins for goaltenders and blueliners; Colorado probably misses Kuemper and Kadri; you get the idea.

I agree that the team has enough Garlands, Suters and Joshuas. I'm just bracing for what management will have to give up to get that difference-maker. Hopefully the acquisition will compensate for whatever hole management creates elsewhere in the roster to get him.

[Meds]

Elias Pettersson + Willander to NYR for JT Miller + 2nd.

[donlever]

Elias Pettersson + Willander to NYR for JT Miller + 2nd.

You went there lol.

JT Miller and K'Andre Miller.

[Carl Yagro]

LOL, you boys wanna stir up some shit again, don'tya?

I'll be honest... leading up to the trade and afterward, there was quite the narrative of victimhood. People making assumptions from what was being suggested by media, lack of transparency by the club, etc. to literally write full HR reports based on hearsay.

Between the team's (shitty) performance and all the BS chatter, the whole season was so tedious, I just quit... and I was already somewhat ambivalent last season despite the all-time success. That's what 50+ years will do to you.

However, when I saw the first article on Feb. 3rd, already throwing out EP trades like they did incessantly about the other guy, this told me the media just don't care. Not about the team, not about the real fans. They exist to stir up shit, any kind of shit to put food on the table.

Now that the dust has settled and everyone here and in Canucks Nation has had a chance to decompress and read between the lines of what was said by players and management... the narrative, to me, has been turned 180 degrees.

Everyone in the organization seems to be suffering from a PTSD of a season. Shelled shocked, but knowing they made their choice based on what they thought was right at the time but now realizing they're back in the (R word) phase, not confident in really knowing which way they should proceed.

Myself? I always thought that you could even sacrifice both your top centers but you have to have a quick turnaround plan to appease the real untouchable... the Captain. After all that was alluded to in this draining shitshow, I would have been more than ok to "re-tool" by moving out both guys. Sounds like many here have come to the same conclusion now? Makes more sense to just cut bait, blow up the current core entirely and use the returns to somehow remain somewhat competitive and hopefully convince QH that this is just a blip, a speedbump.

The biggest thing I got from the whole mess, was when Verbal Diarrhea Jim talked about JTM... he sounded much like the coach did, that he in fact, quite respected and liked the player and really wanted to keep him and make it work. There was no sense to me that it was somehow only this person's fault. What he said, and I paraphrase, was that the guy was fully aware of his share of the blame after the season started and was willing to work hard at resolving the issue. This was before the personal leave.

The absence of Jim's answer to the media? At no point did he say that the other party was willing to work at resolving it. This was such a telling moment. It's like many of us have worked with personality and generational divides, some will just not listen to anyone's critcism or even positive suggestions (Hughes? Coaches?) but continue in their own private bubble and do what they want to do despite being in an environment where listening and compromise is necessary.

Anyway, too much energy has already been put into this nonsense. Whatever happens, doesn't make me confident or change my mood about this team right now. PPG? 100pt season? Who cares? It's the impact a player brings to a team for sustained excellence. I've always said this.

Finally, I'll use an example of why it's possible to turn this around quickly... St. Louis drafting Thomas #20 (1st round) overall, followed by Kyrou #35 (2nd round) overall. With strong pieces already in place, some very astute moves and coaching/systems, they turned it around quick and won even if you think the goaltending wasn't elite.

Can this regime do this? Sure. There are very good pieces here already. Defence is much better and will likely improve. Recoup the money for better depth. The Blues prove you don't need one super-duper stars, they got some young core players who are on very good long-term contracts, who have proven themselves to be impactful and produces consistently. Doesn't matter if they never score 100pt, they are and have been consistent PPG players who drives their bus.

That ain't working, that's the way you do it. Money For Nothing and chicks for free.

[Cousin Strawberry]

That ain't working, that's the way you do it. Money For Nothing and chicks for free.

Good post Carl. I think you're bang on.

Flush the turd. It's the final solution

[Nuckertuzzi]

I think that's why Rutherford noted that the cost to acquire such a player will be high - conditioning the fan base for a potential sticker shock when they pull off whatever deal they have in mind. They know they need a a difference-maker up front, and they know what the market price will likely be.

We have clear proof now this is how management operates (publicly airing the Miller/Petey fiasco many times before AND after the trade).

So is the Willander thing a tactic to prepare us for a swap? I mean bonuses are the holdup, really?? Good bet he'll be dealt.

Then the comment about Hughes should really make some folks nervous. Why mention it at all unless loose-lips Jimmy just can't control himself.

[Nuckertuzzi]

Finally, I'll use an example of why it's possible to turn this around quickly... St. Louis drafting Thomas #20 (1st round) overall, followed by Kyrou #35 (2nd round) overall. With strong pieces already in place, some very astute moves and coaching/systems, they turned it around quick and won even if you think the goaltending wasn't elite.

Can this regime do this? Sure. There are very good pieces here already. Defence is much better and will likely improve. Recoup the money for better depth. The Blues prove you don't need one super-duper stars, they got some young core players who are on very good long-term contracts, who have proven themselves to be impactful and produces consistently. Doesn't matter if they never score 100pt, they are and have been consistent PPG players who drives their bus.

Plus lucking out in one of the most astute offer sheet wins of all time.

Draft wins/luck, can this group pull some off? Perhaps. D.Petey, Willander, Lekk, K.K., Mynio, Hunter B (tho traded)... while none have really hit yet, they're good signs this regime might have some decent drafting pedigree. Although I'd be a lot more confident if they'd stop throwing picks away.


Good post.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Jordan Kyrou and Jared McCann could solve a lot of problems here. Not much of a walk back.

[donlever]

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That ain't working, that's the way you do it. Money For Nothing and chicks for free.

Great post Hank, pretty much sums it up from my perspective.

Nothing to add...

[Chef Boi RD]

Jordan Kyrou and Jared McCann could solve a lot of problems here. Not much of a walk back.

How good do one of those two really make us? Seems we need a heck more than that

[Nuckertuzzi]

Jordan Kyrou and Jared McCann could solve a lot of problems here. Not much of a walk back.

How good do one of those two really make us? Seems we need a heck more than that

Just depends what you're hoping for.

If you care about challenging for and winning a playoff spot, then this might be enough (providing EP40 & Demko, if here, can regain some of their form).

If you want a bona fide Stanley Cup contender it's nowhere near enough.

We know what ownership's aiming for.

[donlever]

We know what ownership's aiming for.

So it seems.

To this day Topper defines the Aquilini Orca Bay purchase as a real estate play.

[Chef Boi RD]

Jordan Kyrou and Jared McCann could solve a lot of problems here. Not much of a walk back.

How good do one of those two really make us? Seems we need a heck more than that

Just depends what you're hoping for.

If you care about challenging for and winning a playoff spot, then this might be enough (providing EP40 & Demko, if here, can regain some of their form).

If you want a bona fide Stanley Cup contender it's nowhere near enough.

We know what ownership's aiming for.

Long term ain’t ain’t an acceptable term with the Aqua bros. It’s all about the quick ejaculation with these jerk offs.

[Meds]

Elias Pettersson + Willander to NYR for JT Miller + 2nd.

You went there lol.

JT Miller and K'Andre Miller.

Well someone had to.