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[SKYO]

I'm psychic!

Details emerging of a 6-year deal negotiated by BCTF, government
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VANCOUVER – Details are now emerging of a six-year deal that has been negotiated between the BCTF and the provincial government.

Teachers have yet to vote on the deal, which will take place on Thursday, and the question of when kids will go back to school remains unanswered at this time.

But the deal on the table right now is for six years with a wage increase of 7.25 per cent over the six years.

There will no longer be a Learning Improvement Fund, which is the fund used to address class size and composition. It will be replaced with a new fund that is strictly to hire new teachers, including specialist teachers. That fund will consist of $85 million a year.

There is also a one-time cash allotment to the BCTF. The figure has not been disclosed yet, but it will be used to pay for things like grievances. The BCTF will have control of that fund and can distribute the money how they see fit.

It appears that the contentious E80 clause is now off the table as well.

In regards to the court case, which the BCTF has previously won on two occasions, there is a reopener clause in the contract once the court case if finalized, which may take a few more years. A reopener clause allows for the reopening of a collective bargaining contract before it expires.

It appears that the government moved the most on class size and composition and the BCTF moved the most on wages in order to get to this tentative agreement.

More details about the tentative deal are expected to be released soon.

Premier Christy Clark said the tentative deal between teachers and government “allows us to reset our relationship.” She said it took time and she knows it was a difficult time for parents and teachers but it was worth it.

“We found a way to give teachers a fair raise, found ways to improve classrooms without raising taxes and cutting services,” said Clark.

She confirmed the deal is within the government’s fiscal plan. They will not be raising taxes or increasing the deficit. Clark also said there was no outside pressure to get the deal done.

“I know, both sides, all sides in this, worked really really hard to get to an agreement.”

[Topper]

I was hoping to watch the teachers smile and wave from their picket lines through Autumn rains and winds. Maybe set up a burning barrel or two.

Yes, fucked over the union representing special needs TAs, way to go, but maybe with the new spacial needs teachers, a return to the "special classes" will happen.

[Topper]

Six year deal. - Government win

7.25% wage increase - Government win

Learning Assistance Fund gets a new name and goes from $75 million/year to $89 million/year. and will be used for primarilly to hire special needs teachers with a small portion to special needs TAs. - Government win

One time payment for grievances to the BCTF of $108 million. The grievances could have been several hundred million if allowed to be decided by an arbitrator. BCTF gets to use this money as they wish. Pay back strike fund loans from other unions? Signing bonus ($2500/teacher)? - Government win

Reopen the deal clause once court case appeals have run their course. - Government win

Fassbender and Cameron stood their ground with what was a fair offer from the public purse and forced Iker to capitulate.

It only took one missed paycheck this fall for the teachers to loose faith. The demonstration crashed by an anti BCTF crowd on the weekend showed that those of us not supporting the BCTF had had enough of Iker's vaudeville act. The loss of public support for teachers was only going to grow.

Best they got a deal now because the offers were only going to get worse.

Lets see how Iker massages it.

[isle_nuck]

Government win

Government win

Government win

Government win

Government win

E80 is gone. We don't have a 10 year deal like they were trying to force feed us in June. Rumours of a signing bonus which was supposed to disappear at the end of June. One of the first questions to CC was about pressure from China. I'll take a few of those government wins for what I listed.

Of course I haven't seen the deal, or talked to anyone outside of the rest of the rank and file, so I'm remaining cautious (as is every other teacher I talk to).

If the rumours are true, from a personal point of view: for me, a teacher with a strong resume, but no full time gig, the initial rumours of more money to hire new teachers sounds promising. And if I don't make the cut....before this weekend it seemed the provision about TOC's getting paid at scale on their first day of call out instead of the fourth consecutive day of work was agreed upon, so if that survived this weekend, my wallet will be happy with this deal.

From a group/professional point of view: As a collective, we were called greedy a lot during these negotiations. If the government got their pay scale, but we got improvements in class size and composition in the deal, before the court ruling is finalized (which is how the media is saying things went down), I think we won our biggest battle. It seemed CS & C would be the hill we would die on and if you think we did, so be it.

[Topper]

Just watched Iker's presser. LOL did that snake squirm.

He was incapable of pointing out one issue the teachers could grasp as a victory and instead diverted attention to union solidarity with the BCFed and the OntarioTeachers.

He's a whipped puppy who's nose has been rubbed in his own pool of piddle.

Update,

Christie's presser was brilliant, stepped in and took charge while acting the roll of the soccer Mom. Thanked Iker by name for his leadership in caving in further rubbing his nose in that puddle he left on the floor as Fasbender stood stoically beside his premier.

Her hiccup through the process was when Iker goaded her into her twits and silly comments.

[ukcanuck]

Doc topper and platters spins his greatest hits

[Strangelove]

Reopen the deal clause once court case appeals have run their course. - Government win

LOL!!!

Yeahno.

[SKYO]

KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL NEXT WEEK - Parents win.

[Topper]

Reopen the deal clause once court case appeals have run their course. - Government win

LOL!!!

Yeahno.

Government initially proposed the reopen clause and then replaced it with E80. E80 is out, reopen clause back in (and grievances that may be payable pending the outcome of the court cases going back to Christie's original tampering with the contract bought off). - Government win

[SKYO]

Government may win, but Christy is outty! in due time.....I know ohdee will want to bend her over the barrel.

[ukcanuck]

Reopen the deal clause once court case appeals have run their course. - Government win

LOL!!!

Yeahno.

Government initially proposed the reopen clause and then replaced it with E80. E80 is out, reopen clause back in (and grievances that may be payable pending the outcome of the court cases going back to Christie's original tampering with the contract bought off). - Government win

The re open clause allows either side to negoiate a new class size and composition agreement.

It's all the BCTF ever wanted, to be consulted and to bargain faithfully for working conditions.

Haven't had that since CC was minister of Ed...

Sorry charlie but that's. A BCTF WIN

[Strangelove]

Reopen the deal clause once court case appeals have run their course. - Government win

LOL!!!

Yeahno.

Government initially proposed the reopen clause and then replaced it with E80. E80 is out, reopen clause back in (and grievances that may be payable pending the outcome of the court cases going back to Christie's original tampering with the contract bought off). - Government win

LOL!!!

Yeahno.

[Topper]

Reopen the deal clause once court case appeals have run their course. - Government win

LOL!!!

Yeahno.

Government initially proposed the reopen clause and then replaced it with E80. E80 is out, reopen clause back in (and grievances that may be payable pending the outcome of the court cases going back to Christie's original tampering with the contract bought off). - Government win

LOL!!!

Yeahno.

Not only have they reinstated the reopening clause they have bought off any grievances that may if the courts decide in the BCTF favour with the money they would have used for signing bonus.

You want to LOL, watch Iker's presser where he tries spinning it your way only to be rebuked with a followup question. All he could do was laugh nervously and say he'd try to explain it later.

[Strangelove]

LOL!!!

Yeahno.

Not only have they reinstated the reopening clause they have bought off any grievances that may if the courts decide in the BCTF favour with the money they would have used for signing bonus.

You want to LOL, watch Iker's presser where he tries spinning it your way only to be rebuked with a followup question. All he could do was laugh nervously and say he'd try to explain it later.

The $105m fund to settle class-size union grievances is an admission of defeat!

The government does not get that money back if they were to win (LOL!!!) the appeal.

So yeah, like I've been saying, everyone paying attention knows the government is (still) going to lose in court.

Yes I realize you have never argued that point.

You say that the $105m is money the government "would have used for signing bonus"

... but the "signing bonus offer" has been off the table since June - and it was roughly half that amount.

And when the government loses their appeal, doesn't that mean they will (still) have to hire more teachers?

Aside from that, government also increased the "Education Fund" (is it?) by another $100m.

Yeah, and I think I read they also increased the benefit package somewhat.

Yes, the union settled for less as far as wages, but that was a given (still got more than the rest of public sector).

But yeah, I think they would have received about double that $105m in grievances if they had left it to the courts.

So they give up about $100m in future grievances, get it back in the boost to the "Education Fund"

... the government is forced to hire more teachers both now and down the road (post-court-decision).

Is that a fair way to look at it?

I really don't know.

I'm cheering for you to win this debate by the way.

And hey I'm not totally up to speed on this... so you may do just that!

I ask only that you don't say anything positive about Christy.... K?

But, by all means, keep slamming that goddamned ugly sumbitch hippy Iker!

[Arachnid]

LOL!!!

Yeahno.

Not only have they reinstated the reopening clause they have bought off any grievances that may if the courts decide in the BCTF favour with the money they would have used for signing bonus.

You want to LOL, watch Iker's presser where he tries spinning it your way only to be rebuked with a followup question. All he could do was laugh nervously and say he'd try to explain it later.

The $105m fund to settle class-size union grievances is an admission of defeat!

The government does not get that money back if they were to win (LOL!!!) the appeal.

So yeah, like I've been saying, everyone paying attention knows the government is (still) going to lose in court.

Yes I realize you have never argued that point.

You say that the $105m is money the government "would have used for signing bonus"

... but the "signing bonus offer" has been off the table since June - and it was roughly half that amount.

And when the government loses their appeal, doesn't that mean they will (still) have to hire more teachers?

Aside from that, government also increased the "Education Fund" (is it?) by another $100m.

Yeah, and I think I read they also increased the benefit package somewhat.

Yes, the union settled for less as far as wages, but that was a given (still got more than the rest of public sector).

But yes, I think they would have received about double that $105m in grievances if they had left it to the courts.

So they give up about $100m in future grievances, get it back in the boost to the "Education Fund"

... the government is forced to hire more teachers both now and down the road (post-court-decision).

Is that a fair way to look at it?

I really don't know.

I'm cheering for you to win this debate by the way.

And hey I'm not totally up to speed on this... so you may do just that!

I ask only that you don't say anything positive about Christy.... K?

But, by all means, keep slamming that goddamned ugly sumbitch hippy Iker!

British Columbia...the Socialist & communist nation of Kanada and why I left for the Right....