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theman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 8:13 pm

Cousin Strawberry wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 8:00 pm I think I've figured out why he doesn't care about hockey anymore;

https://x.com/HockeyFirst1/status/18916 ... YNSLA&s=19

He's getting his little pipe cleaner straightened by an 11.6/10

So JT was wrong about him?

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 7:24 am So, if we end up trading Petey after signing both Pettersson & Miller to massive extensions that would be management trading Miller Pettersson & Horvat since they've been here.

Not a great look. Personality and team chemistry evaluation could use some work.

Lancer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:02 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 7:24 am So, if we end up trading Petey after signing both Pettersson & Miller to massive extensions that would be management trading Miller Pettersson & Horvat since they've been here.

Not a great look. Personality and team chemistry evaluation could use some work.

To be fair, Miller and Petey were working - until they weren't. That said, you would have thought they would have exercised more diligence before signing Petey. Was their continued cooperative coexistence just assumed?

That said, the Petey extension should be considered separate from Miller; whether Petey could get along with Miller is not the prime consideration, so much as his ceiling and how likely he would reach it.

The key decision was made between Horvat and Miller. Miller had (and demonstrably still has) the higher ceiling, but the higher risk. I also don't think management was too enamoured with Horvat's leadership; you don't just trade your captain lightly. Chytil, Mancini and a 1st-round pick is a significantly better than Beauvillier, Raty and a 1st-round pick, but markets were different. Would last year have happened with Horvat and essentially a mid-top-6 forward? Horvat could probably replicate Miller's match-up duties, but none of the offence. Does Hughes develop the way he does if he's not the captain?

It's "What If" history, but I don't fault management for trying like hell to make it work. The more Petey continues like this, the more it looks like a bad idea to trade him before his NMC kicks in - unless management wants to trade off the cap space no matter the return. With the salary cap rising significantly, maybe it's worth taking the risk that he grows up, trains up and gets to where they want him to be. Sadly, I don't see that happening this year.

306NucksFan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:05 am

Lancer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:02 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 7:24 am So, if we end up trading Petey after signing both Pettersson & Miller to massive extensions that would be management trading Miller Pettersson & Horvat since they've been here.

Not a great look. Personality and team chemistry evaluation could use some work.

To be fair, Miller and Petey were working - until they weren't. That said, you would have thought they would have exercised more diligence before signing Petey. Was their continued cooperative coexistence just assumed?

That said, the Petey extension should be considered separate from Miller; whether Petey could get along with Miller is not the prime consideration, so much as his ceiling and how likely he would reach it.

The key decision was made between Horvat and Miller. Miller had (and demonstrably still has) the higher ceiling, but the higher risk. I also don't think management was too enamoured with Horvat's leadership; you don't just trade your captain lightly. Chytil, Mancini and a 1st-round pick is a significantly better than Beauvillier, Raty and a 1st-round pick, but markets were different. Would last year have happened with Horvat and essentially a mid-top-6 forward? Horvat could probably replicate Miller's match-up duties, but none of the offence. Does Hughes develop the way he does if he's not the captain?

It's "What If" history, but I don't fault management for trying like hell to make it work. The more Petey continues like this, the more it looks like a bad idea to trade him before his NMC kicks in - unless management wants to trade off the cap space no matter the return. With the salary cap rising significantly, maybe it's worth taking the risk that he grows up, trains up and gets to where they want him to be. Sadly, I don't see that happening this year.

Spare no expense on physio therapy and psychological training this coming off season. Take over his life for a short time to ensure he is doing the things he needs to do. That is the price of being a professional. The Sedins should be all over this TBH, they cracked the code on this.

Topper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:24 am Back to "What do the Sedins do?"

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:28 am The Sedins in their time were fitness junkies, always showed up to camp as the fittest, year in, year out which is why I always laugh at the unfair “sisters” comments. Super disciplined and took pride in preparation. If I’m Aqualini, I sit everyone down in a room coaching to management and that includes Petey and the Sedins and I look Petey in the eye and say “listen you little fuck, this summer you are spending it with the Sedins!”