2025 Trade Deadline

[dangler]

Hockey mad or not, the ownership should tread lightly with the local fan base.

Whether it is loss of interest or priced out of fandom I believe there to be a threat to the general populations loyalty (or love) for this team.

In this hockey mad market there's always been enough new younger fans to replace the ones that have had enough of the disappointment and decided to move on from the ever increasing ticket prices, and instead casually watch only when it suits them.
You do have to wonder if it'll reach a tipping point at some time though.
Until that happens, I doubt ownership gives a fuck as to whether the fanbase wants a rebuild or not.

[Topper]

We are oft described as a "hockey mad" market.

I've never been so sure about that.

Hockey mad band wagon market.

There are far better things to do in the Vancouver market than park yourself in front of a TV or overpriced barn to watch a looser.

I recall a debate here with someone who was adamant that with the long wait list for seasons tickets, the team was set for life. This was at the same time as the 2008 market crash when some major corporate backers were down scaling their sponsorship and box/group ticket buys.

In my business, season's tickets were a corperate buy for many small listed exploration juniors and then gifted to shareholders, consultants and business clients. As the market goes, so do those purchases.

As you had mentioned, your tickets are also for promotion, when your clients and partners don't value then then you have to rethink buying.

[Todd Bersnoozi]

Just noticed, the Bs and Ottawa made some big moves and traded some good long time players. B.Tkachuk, Pasternak and Swayman were literally crying that their mates got traded. I didn't see that when our Millzy9 was moved. Not sure if it speaks to how likeable was JT, the closeness of the room, maybe those guys are just softies or how the trades all played out.

When I saw that, I was thinking that's how a hockey team should be. The team should care about each other (a family/brotherhood). It's simple: just go out, have fun and battle for each other. Not all this drama that we saw hovering around our club for most of the season. These guys are playing a fuqin kid's game for crying out loud. Doing something that most of us Cdn kids can only dream about and getting paid millions to do it.

[Meds]

What the main frustration is for me is that we saw a lot of hope with this core and I’ll go back as far as when Horvat was here regarding “this core”. But it seems that the seed of trouble was planted at the handling of the Horvat contract situation and the so called dislike between him and Miller. I’m not so much as irritated with the return on the Horvat trade as I do like Hronek but the troubles in the room had become evident back then and that they may have chose the wrong guy to keep.

The Bo/JT rift was all media driven rumour mongering. Horvat and Miller apparently sat next to each other in the room the entire time they were both here…..pretty safe bet they got along.

[Chef Boi RD]

The pickle we are in as I see it, some may feel differently, is this mushy middle we currently find ourselves stuck in - a tier II level wild card battler. I don’t see much improvement on getting beyond this standing when gauging the pipeline. Our forward group is as thin as Karen Carpenter was before finding herself in a pine box.

When measured up against the current tier I teams like the Jets, Stars, Oilers, Avalance and Knighrs etc., I’m just not seeing this group going away in the near future with the exception of the Knights, maybe? So, I at the the being, merely sees this current Canuck group as mere fodder to the tier I group and for the foreseeable future.

What I hope is, is this management, along with the blessing of ownership, recognizes this, of actually how good this team is when stacked up to the haves and I really hope they make moves with that reality in mind, this is very important and is what will keep me and those like minded dialed in. If not, then it will be true, the Canucks are just a mere shiney widget in the minds of this ownership and the bandwagon walk up fans they seem to want to only cater to.

[Meds]

Just noticed, the Bs and Ottawa made some big moves and traded some good long time players. B.Tkachuk, Pasternak and Swayman were literally crying that their mates got traded. I didn't see that when our Millzy9 was moved. Not sure if it speaks to how likeable was JT, the closeness of the room, maybe those guys are just softies or how the trades all played out.

When I saw that, I was thinking that's how a hockey team should be. The team should care about each other (a family/brotherhood). It's simple: just go out, have fun and battle for each other. Not all this drama that we saw hovering around our club for most of the season. These guys are playing a fuqin kid's game for crying out loud. Doing something that most of us Cdn kids can only dream about and getting paid millions to do it.

Myers, Brock, Quin, and Tocchet, were the only post trade interviews I recall seeing. Only Quin seemed nonplussed…..but he always does. Myers was definitely not happy. Boeser did not give the impression that he was indifferent. Tocchet lamented losing a “heart and soul” guy.

[Meds]

We are oft described as a "hockey mad" market.

I've never been so sure about that.

Hockey mad band wagon market.

There are far better things to do in the Vancouver market than park yourself in front of a TV or overpriced barn to watch a looser.

I recall a debate here with someone who was adamant that with the long wait list for seasons tickets, the team was set for life. This was at the same time as the 2008 market crash when some major corporate backers were down scaling their sponsorship and box/group ticket buys.

I’d say that debate was officially put to bed in 2014.

[Chef Boi RD]

What the main frustration is for me is that we saw a lot of hope with this core and I’ll go back as far as when Horvat was here regarding “this core”. But it seems that the seed of trouble was planted at the handling of the Horvat contract situation and the so called dislike between him and Miller. I’m not so much as irritated with the return on the Horvat trade as I do like Hronek but the troubles in the room had become evident back then and that they may have chose the wrong guy to keep.

The Bo/JT rift was all media driven rumour mongering. Horvat and Miller apparently sat next to each other in the room the entire time they were both here…..pretty safe bet they got along.

Where there is smoke there is fire. Why I say this, is Brad Richardson pointed out that Miller being a cunt to Petey had been going on for awhile. My theory is Horvat was one of the players who stepped in putting him and JT at odds. I do find it interesting when Horvat said recently he’d love to have Pettersson as a teammate in New York. Again, it’s a theory only. But with what Richardson and Horvat have chimed in, I believe there’s some legitimacy there, in that there had been a certain level of ongoing friction in that room centered around Miller. And I honestly believe there was friction between Miller and Horvat but like all organizations will say, “its just teammates being teammates”. A glossing over.

[donlever]

When measured up against the current tier I teams like the Jets, Stars, Oilers, Avalance and Knighrs etc., I’m just not seeing this group going away in the near future with the exception of the Knights, maybe? o only cater to.

Yeah, I agree, this appears a pretty middling team that I just don't see competing with the ones you noted anytime soon.

I think I disagree on the Knights though.

Their owner is apparently amazing to the players, high class all day every day (has them to his acreage in Wyoming, playing on the golf course he owns, living the high life type of thing) so that as destination bait along with his willingness to have his hockey people go aggro on acquisitions leads me to think they'll find a way on a perennial basis.

You can not be a loser in a 4th or 5th tier sport in Las Vegas or you won't survive.

[Chef Boi RD]

When measured up against the current tier I teams like the Jets, Stars, Oilers, Avalance and Knighrs etc., I’m just not seeing this group going away in the near future with the exception of the Knights, maybe? o only cater to.

Yeah, I agree, this appears a pretty middling team that I just don't see competing with the ones you noted anytime soon.

I think I disagree on the Knights though.

Their owner is apparently amazing to the players, high class all day every day (has them to his acreage in Wyoming, playing on the golf course he owns, living the high life type of thing) so that as destination bait along with his willingness to have his hockey people go aggro on acquisitions leads me to think they'll find a way on a perennial basis.

You can not be a loser in a 4th or 5th tier sport in Las Vegas or you won't survive.

What I see happening with this club, as we maintain our mushy middle status and being first round fodder for the tier 1 group over the next 4-5 seasons, tier 3 teams like San Jose, Utah and Anaheim etc., whom all three are stockpiling some very nice future talent, will surpass us.

All hail the mushy middle

[donlever]

As you had mentioned, your tickets are also for promotion, when your clients and partners don't value then then you have to rethink.

Interestingly enough and to this point our Account Exec reached out the other day as the team apparently has a Corporate Partnership void in our space and asked if we would be willing to discuss options and opportunities.

I agreed to hear them out.

So a team marketing Exec is going to contact me next week.

Should be an interesting conversation.

[Chef Boi RD]

All my concerns would be erased, somewhat, if Petey returns to form. I’m just not convinced…yet, that he does return to form.

[donlever]

Cornuck claims tonight's the night.

[Blob Mckenzie]

All my concerns would be erased, somewhat, if Petey returns to form. I’m just not convinced…yet, that he does return to form.

If he returns to form, this can be a good team. They will have ample cap space to play with. I'm not doom and gloom. I wasted too much time, energy and money on this team from 2015-2022. I'll give this management group another season before I give up or want to run them out of town on a rail. I find it amusing you are so eager to punt this group after the previous eight years. They walked into a team with no cap spsce, hideous contracts and no prospects.

They deserve till 2026.

[Chef Boi RD]

All my concerns would be erased, somewhat, if Petey returns to form. I’m just not convinced…yet, that he does return to form.

If he returns to form, this can be a good team. They will have ample cap space to play with. I'm not doom and gloom. I wasted too much time, energy and money on this team from 2015-2022. I'll give this management group another season before I give up or want to run them out of town on a rail. I find it amusing you are so eager to punt this group after the previous eight years. They walked into a team with no cap spsce, hideous contracts and no prospects.

They deserve till 2026.

It seems like everything hinges on Petey returning to form or not. I do agree that Petey’s struggles are not the blame of management. I would even go as far as saying that where this team currently finds itself can be blamed on a myriad of things that could be argued out of managements control. The only cause of concern for me is how some decisions have come back to bite this management in that they had some control of their destiny, for instance Petey’s struggles were in full affect when they handed him the $11.6 million per. They had a chance, apparently to swing a trade involving Necas and Petey, gotta wonder if they would now love to walk that one back and choosing Miller over Horvat. It seems for all the good work they have done there are some choices they’ve made whether it be - trades, signings, rental acquisition timing etc., that remove all the good work they’ve done, hence the mushy middle where we find ourselves once again.