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Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 7:56 am The thing is with Petey is he used to shoot a lot more on the PP.

When Hughes is dancing out there and others are moving then the passing is quicker and they tend together some good looks.

I thought he was shooting more and even more important his accuracy is better.

On Huges - I agree, when he dances and dangles I don't think the other players know what to do. I would like to see him dangle once and then move the puck off quicker.

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 7:56 am The thing is with Petey is he used to shoot a lot more on the PP.

There is definitely something to it that in regards to his shot attempts. In 2022-23 Petey's SOG per 60 min was 17.84.....last season it was 12.61.

When you look at his deployment in those years, 2022-23 saw him get 20:33 TOI/GP.....last season that was reduced to 18:40.

So some of his reduced shot totals are due to deployment. Less TOI, but also since last season some of his TOI has included PK'ing which will reduce the opportunities for him to even even get a look at the net.

I still think there number one play is to try to set Petey up but he has to get back to shooting it more and not waiting for that perfect pass. Look at the Big German, he takes the shot no matter how good/bad the pass, same as OV.

I wonder if some of this has to do with frame/build. The "Big German" is just that: big. Similar to Ovechkin, he can get the decent power into the shot from odd angles and positions. It all comes down to legs and core. I don't know that Pettersson actually could do that. Apart from speed, his skating and movement has always reminded me of a bean-poled Henrik Sedin.....Hank fell over half the time he tried to one-time the puck unless it was an absolutely perfectly setup. There just has to be the ability/stability to maintain a level of balance while leaning in one direction or another to fully contact that biscuit.

Also wondering about his stick. Draisaitl and Petey are the same height, but the German apparently uses a 67" stick compared to Petey's 60" twig. Draisaitl also uses an extra long blade compared to many other players which allows for those lower angle shots.

No Miller.

EP40 that much easier to defend.

It's like, so quantum dude.

....principle of space and time, probability and indestructibility....

That has become so painfully apparent. The one-two punch makes a big difference. It all goes back to us needing a top 6 centre to replace Miller. Cootes may be ready next season but he wont replace Miller, maybe Horvat in a couple of year, which would be nice.

Mëds wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 2:09 pm

Cornuck wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 10:10 am I'm trying a new approach of watching him without thinking about his salary.

Sure. Unfortunately one cannot assess a player independent of his salary in a cap world.

I get that - but if I look at him these days as a 11.6m player, my bias comes in and I think, "What the fuck?" - Maybe it's just my way of keeping my blood pressure down, but I'm trying just re-evaluate him without the albatross of a contract hanging around his neck.

Cornuck wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 2:14 pm

Mëds wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 2:09 pm

Cornuck wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 10:10 am I'm trying a new approach of watching him without thinking about his salary.

Sure. Unfortunately one cannot assess a player independent of his salary in a cap world.

I get that - but if I look at him these days as a 11.6m player, my bias comes in and I think, "What the fuck?" - Maybe it's just my way of keeping my blood pressure down, but I'm trying just re-evaluate him without the albatross of a contract hanging around his neck.

Ok. Fair enough. So long as you're braced for the fact that 6.5 years from now you will likely be referring to the player as Messiersson in terms of your overall view of the guy.

Mëds wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 2:16 pm Ok. Fair enough. So long as you're braced for the fact that 6.5 years from now you will likely be referring to the player as Messiersson in terms of your overall view of the guy.

I'm bracing myself for that - more a Loui Petterrson kinda of thing, though. Also, I won't be surprised by a turnaround.

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 3:18 pm That has become so painfully apparent. The one-two punch makes a big difference. It all goes back to us needing a top 6 centre to replace Miller. Cootes may be ready next season but he wont replace Miller, maybe Horvat in a couple of year, which would be nice.

Cootes is years away from being a Miller level impact player, that is, if he ever will get to that level.

I’m looking at M. Pettersson, Mancini, Chytil and O’Connor and I can’t help but think,“really”? A watered down “quantity not quality” return package of meh??? The fast track to the mushy middle is what I’m seeing.

I'm in a similar ballpark and generally speaking have been Dude.

Never wanted to move Miller (not going to get into it again though...just commenting) and as per my EP comment to Dude in the other thread I think EP to Carolina at the time was the move to make and would have been better for everyone involved.

If the talk is/was true.

Hell at this point I would rather we had Miller/Lindholm/Bleuger/Raty down the gut as opposed to what we are seeing.

donlever wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 4:36 pm Hell at this point I would rather we had Miller/Lindholm/Bleuger/Raty down the gut as opposed to what we are seeing.

I believe I actually advocated for a Miller/Lindholm/Blueger trio over extending someone else.

For Rutherford supposedly being a great hockey mind, he sure shit the bed with his " untenable situation, we have to get rid of one or the other" mantra. Miller & Petey both signed their contracts knowing the other one was going to be there. You don't trade those kind of players, you make it work.
And Allvin gave Petey that contract way too soon. His play had already been regressing for a significant amount of time & sure as fuck didn't warrant a 11.6 x 8 contract.

Mëds wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 4:59 pm I believe I actually advocated for a Miller/Lindholm/Blueger trio over extending someone else.

Yes, I was in the Elias L. defender camp as well.

I’m just not seeing the same player anymore in Petey, something was removed from him. The swagger is gone.

Seems to have skating, balance and edge issues to me watching from afar Dude.

I wonder if his knee issues are degenerative and have hampered his skating.

Not being able to accomplish easily what once came naturally then saps confidence.

He is weak in the dot which eminates from a wide, strong base which he may not have.

Pure speculation...


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dangler wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 5:00 pm
And Allvin gave Petey that contract way too soon. His play had already been regressing for a significant amount of time & sure as fuck didn't warrant a 11.6 x 8 contract.

It was either resign him or trade him for fear of him walking. Plus up until the resigning he had been having a career year with well over a ppg.

The only watershed moment that I can tell may have happened was the pressuring by fans/media/management mid season to resign when he had repeatedly stated he didn't want to resign til seasons end.

I still maintain its between the ears