Canucks News N Notes 25-26

[theman]

We very well could be in last place after tonight.

I have faith

[Carl Yagro]

I have faith

It's looking good, eh?

[Carl Yagro]

You're forgetting the law of canuckland

You always always ALWAYS play well down the stretch and fuck your draft position

I'm not forgetting.

Even if they don't win in garbage time, you know the Hockey Gods will find a way to screw this franchise over and drop them from 1st overall to 3rd.

I already have a vision of the Allvin meme right next to the Benning meme right next to the Linden meme.

[Chef Boi RD]

There is no denying that when officially out of the playoff picture the Canucks will go 15-2-3 the last 20 games of the season to end up picking 11th overall. It’s so Canuck.

[Cornuck]

Meanwhile, owners want the 32nd place team to "remain competitive ".

[theman]

There is no denying that when officially out of the playoff picture the Canucks will go 15-2-3 the last 20 games of the season to end up picking 11th overall. It’s so Canuck.

You forgot, trade Hughes before that run begins.

[Megaterio Llamas]

[Hockey Widow]

This is certainly sad. I truly thought this year would be different and we would be fighting for a playoff spot. This is sad. Given the history of ownership how long before they make changes up front. I'm not a Rutherford or Allvin basher. I don't like all that they have done but I don't hate everything either.

Notwithstanding all of the issues I think they lost this club by the way they handed Horvat/Miller/Pettersson. Too many bad calls. It is time for wholesale changes and more than just a few soon to be FA. I would be asking Myers if he would waive. I would be asking DeBrusk if he would waive. I would look to trade Garland and Demko. Get Hoglander healthy and trade him. O'Conner would draw interest. Get the max you can get for everyone and move on. Rebuild.

Do you realize we have had outstanding goaltending starting with Luongo, Schnieder, Markstrom and then Demko. It is at an end and if the kid is as good as they say we are what like 4-5 years before seeing that.

My new core would be Hughes and Pettersson. Maybe Boeser because I doubt he waives. The upcoming young kids I'd keep. But everyone else is expendable. They are not core players and they clearly cannot support the core. Wholesale changes are needed. Try to get 1-2 more 1st round picks in 2026 draft. Add some 2nds. Try to get good prospects. Yes a full rebuild but around Hughes and Pettersson as the leaders.

[Picker of Cherries]

I’m all for a change at the top if recent rumours of Dale Tallon replacing Jim Rutherford turn out to be true.

According to ChatGPT:

If Tallon became GM of a struggling team (like today’s Vancouver Canucks in your scenario), based on history he might:
Be comfortable with a “rebuild / retool” approach, embracing losing seasons if that yields high picks.
Use those high picks aggressively — possibly trading, drafting high-ceiling players, and trying to restock the prospect pool.
But there would still be risk: some first-round picks likely to succeed, others to underperform.
So yes — a full “tank + draft” seems more plausible under Tallon’s history than under a GM with a “win-now / retool moderately” profile.

Draft picks by each person according to ChatGPT:

Jim Rutherford — Hartford Whalers / Carolina Hurricanes (GM 1994–2014)
1995 — 13th — Jean-Sébastien Giguère
1997 — 22nd — Nikos Tselios
1998 — 11th — Jeff Heerema
1999 — 16th — David Tanabe
2001 — 15th — Igor Knyazev
2002 — 25th — Cam Ward
2003 — 2nd — Eric Staal
2004 — 4th — Andrew Ladd
2005 — 3rd — Jack Johnson
2007 — 11th — Brandon Sutter
2008 — 14th — Zach Boychuk
2009 — 27th — Philippe Paradis
2010 — 7th — Jeff Skinner
2011 — 12th — Ryan Murphy
2013 — 5th — Elias Lindholm
2014 — 7th — Haydn Fleury
Jim Rutherford — Pittsburgh Penguins (GM 2014–2021)
2014 — 22nd — Kasperi Kapanen
2019 — 21st — Samuel Poulin


Dale Tallon — Chicago Blackhawks (GM 2005–2009)
2005 — 7th — Jack Skille
2006 — 3rd — Jonathan Toews
2007 — 1st — Patrick Kane
2008 — 11th — Kyle Beach
2009 — 28th — Dylan Olsen
Dale Tallon — Florida Panthers (GM 2010–2020)
2010 — 3rd — Erik Gudbranson
2010 — 19th — Nick Bjugstad
2010 — 25th — Quinton Howden
2011 — 3rd — Jonathan Huberdeau
2012 — 23rd — Mike Matheson
2013 — 2nd — Aleksander Barkov
2014 — 1st — Aaron Ekblad
2015 — 11th — Lawson Crouse
2016 — 23rd — Henrik Borgström
2017 — 10th — Owen Tippett
2018 — 15th — Grigori Denisenko
2019 — 13th — Spencer Knight
2020 — 12th — Anton Lundell

[Meds]

Do you realize we have had outstanding goaltending starting with Luongo, Schnieder, Markstrom and then Demko. It is at an end and if the kid is as good as they say we are what like 4-5 years before seeing that.

What kid? Sorry HW, not tracking here, but I'm curious if there is someone in the pipeline I don't know about.

My new core would be Hughes and Pettersson. Maybe Boeser because I doubt he waives. The upcoming young kids I'd keep. But everyone else is expendable. They are not core players and they clearly cannot support the core. Wholesale changes are needed. Try to get 1-2 more 1st round picks in 2026 draft. Add some 2nds. Try to get good prospects. Yes a full rebuild but around Hughes and Pettersson as the leaders.

As you said (in the part I Lever'd for brevity), JR/PA lost the team with the handling of Horvat/Miller/Pettersson. I'd say more the latter two than Bo, but if they low-balled the way we've heard, that was dumb. Either way, because Pettersson was at the crux of that issue, he needs to go with Rutherford and Allvin so the organization can turn the page.

I'm keeping (provided they are willing to go through the rebuild process) Hughes, Hronek, and Boeser.

Hughes, for obvious reasons.

Hronek because he's a damned good RHD and it would be stupid to annihilate the roster around Hughes.....you have to keep some talent.

Boeser because he wants to be here. You need that on a team that is rebuilding.

Everyone else can go. The last "expendable" I would want to part with though is Garland, I like his compete, he's an engine that never says quit and rebuilding teams need that.....it helps that him and Hughes are close.

[Meds]

I’m all for a change at the top if recent rumours of Dale Tallon replacing Jim Rutherford turn out to be true.

According to ChatGPT:

If Tallon became GM of a struggling team (like today’s Vancouver Canucks in your scenario), based on history he might:
Be comfortable with a “rebuild / retool” approach, embracing losing seasons if that yields high picks.
Use those high picks aggressively — possibly trading, drafting high-ceiling players, and trying to restock the prospect pool.
But there would still be risk: some first-round picks likely to succeed, others to underperform.
So yes — a full “tank + draft” seems more plausible under Tallon’s history than under a GM with a “win-now / retool moderately” profile.

Draft picks by each person according to ChatGPT:

Jim Rutherford — Hartford Whalers / Carolina Hurricanes (GM 1994–2014)
... see above ... ^^
Dale Tallon — Chicago Blackhawks (GM 2005–2009)

Well, when you put it that way.....

[Madcombinepilot]

My new core would be Hughes and Pettersson. Maybe Boeser because I doubt he waives. The upcoming young kids I'd keep. But everyone else is expendable.
…
Everyone else can go. The last "expendable" I would want to part with though is Garland, I like his compete, he's an engine that never says quit and rebuilding teams need that.....it helps that him and Hughes are close.

I would try and keep,Garland as well. He is a dawg, and we need more dogs. Dude is relentless.

[Chef Boi RD]

“Staying competitive”

[JelloPuddingPop]

Draft picks by each person according to ChatGPT:

Jim Rutherford — Hartford Whalers / Carolina Hurricanes (GM 1994–2014)
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Dale Tallon — Chicago Blackhawks (GM 2005–2009)

Yikes - really goes to show even in the 1st rd, how many misses/low end players get drafted outside of the top 3. Other than Lundell, Matheson, and perhaps Knight - Tallon's draft record isn't confidence building. And none of those players are ones you'd build a team around.

[Chef Boi RD]

Rutherford was never really good at drafting. Rebuilding from the ground up was never his forte. His talent was in his ability to take teams to the Cup final and win with already good clubs. He’s not a builder, which is why he was never really the right fit here but when have the Aqualini’s ever gotten that right?