Is Mark Carney sliding towards Fascism?

[Ronning's Ghost]

Equal representation in the countries of origin for these immigrants would help ease the perception that we are getting flooded with these or those people as well

Really valid point here - and worth developing a bit more. Luring over educated/skilled trades from everywhere should be a focus. Not just an open door policy to one, or maybe two countries - just because they want to be here.

The other advantage of admitting immigrants from a greater Diversity of countries of origin is that there would be no large blocks of people who already spoke their native language, which would encourage newcomers in learning to speak English or French.

[Tciso]

I think the title was actually "Is Mark Carney sliding towards Fascism"

Indeed. However, you are as aware as anyone that Carney was in Trudeau's ear for much of his term as PM.

Yes he was Mëds, and as has been stated by others, , "The standards you walk past are the standards you accept".

[Ronning's Ghost]

Currently, one of our immigration problems is that working age individuals from other countries get permanent residency status and then bring family members over. Many of these family members are in the same age range as our soon-to-be retiring (or already have) population. They will never contribute but are coming here at the point in their lives where they will be a drain on our socially funded services. Close that door.

Yes, I have long thought that was an important measure.

You get to immigrate because we want you (and your spouse and school-age children), not your whole clan.

I would like to throttle way back on the entire "family re-unification" class of immigrants.

[Tciso]

Equal representation in the countries of origin for these immigrants would help ease the perception that we are getting flooded with these or those people as well

I don't believe it is an issue of the home nations of the immigration as it is about the overall numbers. It is natural for immigrants to live close together and support each other. In fact, it's healthy. But, when immigration happens too fast, these immigrant communities grow so fast that they have little to no reason to assimilate their values with ours, as they just stick together. We see it with language and culture especially, and likely beliefs too, although you cannot see a belief. If we were allowing in fewer immigrants, they are forced to interact with Canadians more, and it speeds up their assimilation into our value and belief system.

[2Fingers]

Currently, one of our immigration problems is that working age individuals from other countries get permanent residency status and then bring family members over. Many of these family members are in the same age range as our soon-to-be retiring (or already have) population. They will never contribute but are coming here at the point in their lives where they will be a drain on our socially funded services. Close that door.

Yes, I have long thought that was an important measure.

You get to immigrate because we want you (and your spouse and school-age children), not your whole clan.

I would like to throttle way back on the entire "family re-unification" class of immigrants.

I think many in Canada would support this, way too easy to bring grandma and grandpa over and it has a large impact on our social services. Not sure what other countries do but why should everyone be responsible for this cost?

[JelloPuddingPop]

Yes he was Mëds, and as has been stated by others, , "The standards you walk past are the standards you accept".

I agree with this quote for sure - but do believe its also a bit different for a "company man" and especially a Gov. worker. Being able to advise your leadership, is just that. Trying to get them to do the right thing. Obviously no one was able to do it with Trudeau, and most jumped ship. That doesn't make you complicit in his actions necessarily, if you stayed on, and tried to make things right.

I think its harder to stay on, and keep trying to steer the ship in the right way. Now Carney has that chance.

By tying him to Trudeau, and not seeing what the work he is doing now is a disservice, as none of us know what influence he was able to push from a lesser position.

[Tciso]

Yes he was Mëds, and as has been stated by others, , "The standards you walk past are the standards you accept".

I agree with this quote for sure - but do believe its also a bit different for a "company man" and especially a Gov. worker. Being able to advise your leadership, is just that. Trying to get them to do the right thing. Obviously no one was able to do it with Trudeau, and most jumped ship. That doesn't make you complicit in his actions necessarily, if you stayed on, and tried to make things right.

I think its harder to stay on, and keep trying to steer the ship in the right way. Now Carney has that chance.

By tying him to Trudeau, and not seeing what the work he is doing now is a disservice, as none of us know what influence he was able to push from a lesser position.

I could agree with you on the disservice part, but, he hasn’t done anything significantly different. And, in a few areas, he is going beyond what Trudeau did. Specifically, the deficit . Both in doubling it, and obfuscating the total amount by splitting it up. Transparency too, with his thread bare blind trust. Same with immigration. There seems to be no coherent plan still, and while he has reduced how many will be allowed starting some time next year, it is insufficient, and still doesn’t address people who have over stayed their papers, or who are here under false pretence. CBC - check. Carbon tax-he just shuffled the deck chairs.

So, what has he done differently to steer the ship?

[JelloPuddingPop]

So, what has he done differently to steer the ship?

I guess this where our discussion ends.

What has Carney done differently than Trudeau...

If you don't see a difference, not sure I can take those off those blinders. Trudeau was, in my opinion the worst PM in Canadian history.

Carney hasn't even come close to the SNC Lavalin, blackface, Wecharity etc.

The spending Carney has proposed has been long neglected by both sides of our government. What do you think trying to meet our military spending with an aging infrastructure would cost?

Housing, military, while reigning in Gov. Employees. Not Trudeau-esque.

In my opinion.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Carney is a decidedly conservative style liberal. If he would back off the retarded gun crap then he would be regaled as one of the best PMs we've seen in Canada.

[5thhorseman]

... it speeds up their assimilation into our value and belief system.

People are allowed to have different beliefs. It's called freedom of religion.

Many immigrant cultures have stronger family values than Western culture, yet they should assimilate into our value system?

We're not the Borg, you know.

[Meds]

... it speeds up their assimilation into our value and belief system.

People are allowed to have different beliefs. It's called freedom of religion.

Many immigrant cultures have stronger family values than Western culture, yet they should assimilate into our value system?

We're not the Borg, you know.

If they value their culture and beliefs from their homeland more than they value Canadian law and culture, then they should have stayed where they were.

We have Muslim immigrants pushing hard in some areas of Canada for the recognition of Shariah Law.

[5thhorseman]

Currently, one of our immigration problems is that working age individuals from other countries get permanent residency status and then bring family members over. Many of these family members are in the same age range as our soon-to-be retiring (or already have) population. They will never contribute but are coming here at the point in their lives where they will be a drain on our socially funded services. Close that door.

Yes, I have long thought that was an important measure.

You get to immigrate because we want you (and your spouse and school-age children), not your whole clan.

I would like to throttle way back on the entire "family re-unification" class of immigrants.

I think many in Canada would support this, way too easy to bring grandma and grandpa over and it has a large impact on our social services. Not sure what other countries do but why should everyone be responsible for this cost?

What exactly is the scale of their impact on social services? Sponsors are required to financially support them for 20 years! There are medical restrictions to sponsorship so those who are likely to be a drain on health services will not even qualify. They can't collect EI. They can't collect CPP (unless they work). They may be able to collect OAS but only if they were sponsored before they were too old. I think it's a drop in the bucket.

[5thhorseman]

... it speeds up their assimilation into our value and belief system.

People are allowed to have different beliefs. It's called freedom of religion.

Many immigrant cultures have stronger family values than Western culture, yet they should assimilate into our value system?

We're not the Borg, you know.

If they value their culture and beliefs from their homeland more than they value Canadian law and culture, then they should have stayed where they were.

We have Muslim immigrants pushing hard in some areas of Canada for the recognition of Shariah Law.

The conversation was about values and beliefs, not the law.

Obviously all citizens and PRs need to follow Canada's laws.

[Meds]

So, what has he done differently to steer the ship?

I guess this where our discussion ends.

What has Carney done differently than Trudeau...

If you don't see a difference, not sure I can take those off those blinders. Trudeau was, in my opinion the worst PM in Canadian history.

Carney hasn't even come close to the SNC Lavalin, blackface, Wecharity etc.

The spending Carney has proposed has been long neglected by both sides of our government. What do you think trying to meet our military spending with an aging infrastructure would cost?

Housing, military, while reigning in Gov. Employees. Not Trudeau-esque.

In my opinion.

Truth in what you say, no question.

What he hasn't done yet is drop the one agenda that needs to be dropped.

He also is increasing spending (I agree that it's in areas that have been neglected), but he hasn't opened the doors to actually generate money. Smoke and mirrors so far. His list of projects to be fast tracked are projects that the private sector doesn't want to touch because they aren't enticing.

[Meds]

... it speeds up their assimilation into our value and belief system.

People are allowed to have different beliefs. It's called freedom of religion.

Many immigrant cultures have stronger family values than Western culture, yet they should assimilate into our value system?

We're not the Borg, you know.

If they value their culture and beliefs from their homeland more than they value Canadian law and culture, then they should have stayed where they were.

We have Muslim immigrants pushing hard in some areas of Canada for the recognition of Shariah Law.

The conversation was about values and beliefs, not the law.

Obviously all citizens and PRs need to follow Canada's laws.

Many of the cultures that are immigrating here want to follow their cultural laws that are often rooted in their religious beliefs.