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[Chef Boi RD]

There’s no need to complicate empathy, ffs. It’s pretty clear cut and dry. You either lack empathy for others or have it. Without it you pretty much hate. or could give two shits, about your fellow human. I was under the impression empathy as being important to ole JC.

I'm not a particularly empathetic person. Quite often I am oblivious to others' feelings . Does that mean that I hate my fellow human?

I always equated "woke" to awareness. You don't need to feel what others feel, you just need to be aware of what they are going through. To be woke means to have an awareness of racial prejudice and social injustice.

So you need to by sympathetic, not empathetic?

Both work. If you're empathetic you feel their pain, if you're sympathetic you understand their pain.
I think it's a matter of personality traits. But both words imply you care.

Splitting hairs, one half dozen of the other.

[Meds]

I find it interesting that the most devout Christians like the Christian Nationalist MAGA movement we are seeing sweeping America for example are greatly opposed to having empathy. I wonder if we’re going to be seeimg some edits in Trumps Bible for more anti-woke mentions.

These two things are incompatible.

Who is claiming they are devout? Are they? Or are you labelling them that way?

[Chef Boi RD]

I’ve always considered “woke” as awareness over reach

Originally it meant awareness, but the meaning of the word has shifted toward awareness overreach as it has switched from being praise to being an insult or a taunt.

Spot on, would this align with “fear mongering” for your cause? Like how Haitians are going to sauté your pet dog for dinner?

[Chef Boi RD]

I find it interesting that the most devout Christians like the Christian Nationalist MAGA movement we are seeing sweeping America for example are greatly opposed to having empathy. I wonder if we’re going to be seeimg some edits in Trumps Bible for more anti-woke mentions.

These two things are incompatible.

Who is claiming they are devout? Are they? Or are you labelling them that way?

Hmmm, would the Christian Nationalists (MAGA) not be “devout”? Did I use this description wrong? They are definitely passionate about their Jesus, have you not seen Karoline Leavitt stopping to pray with her people before the cameras before meeting the press? That’s banana’s, weird as fuck. Maybe devout isn’t the best way to describe, is “cuckoo” better?

[Meds]

Amazing how we can have such a long discussion about this on a hockey board!

Maybe all comes down to "Do you give a shit about people who are different than you?" Do you think gays should get married and get all of the legal protections that come with it, or do you oppose it? Do you think women have the right to control their bodies? Or should the government control them? Should people be able to enter a country after fleeing their homeland, or should they be sent back? Etc Etc

Ultimately, it's questions like this and how you answer them that will determine your levels of wokeness, compassion, empathy, or whatever you want to call it.

Your views on these topics should determine how you vote.

Depends upon how you define marriage. If it is a legal contract between two individuals under the government, then the church shouldn't care, and constitutionally the individuals should have all of the same rights and protections as anyone else. Strangely, much of the ruckus over this subject stemmed from gay couples demanding that Christian churches and reverends, host and perform the ceremonies, and that the unions be blessed by the Christian God.

Rights of women? That should be pretty straightforward. I'm assuming this is alluding to the abortion issue, and my take is that the only area of this that the State has a role in, is the legal definition of what is and is not a life. At that point, as the entity responsible for licensing and policing medical practitioners, the State can regulate what a physician can and cannot do while in the employ of the State and under the law of the same.

Immigration? Borders exist for a reason. Laws exist for a reason. Welcome the refugee I say.....conditionally. You come here because you need refuge or you seek a better way of life. You do not get to bring your laws and beliefs in and expect them to be adopted by this country. If your beliefs are in conflict with the ways of the welcoming nation, then you abandon your beliefs and assimilate or you return to whence you came.

[Meds]

I find it interesting that the most devout Christians like the Christian Nationalist MAGA movement we are seeing sweeping America for example are greatly opposed to having empathy. I wonder if we’re going to be seeimg some edits in Trumps Bible for more anti-woke mentions.

These two things are incompatible.

Who is claiming they are devout? Are they? Or are you labelling them that way?

Hmmm, would the Christian Nationalists (MAGA) not be “devout”? Did I use this description wrong? They are definitely passionate about their Jesus, have you not seen Karoline Leavitt stopping to pray with her people before the cameras before meeting the press? That’s banana’s, weird as fuck. Maybe devout isn’t the best way to describe, is “cuckoo” better?

I should have phrased that better.

Who is claiming they are devout Christian?

They are devout when it comes to their cause. However the actions and statements we are seeing from people of faith do not align with the scripture their faith is based upon.

[Meds]

The problem with the woke crew is that they vilify people for a lack of empathy while demonstrating the very lack of empathy they are condemning a lack of.

While this may be true and is obviously hypocritical, isn't this only on the extreme edges of the those who consider themselves woke? I don't think this is where the main division in society is over "wokeness".

No. My experiences with people who identify as woke certainly do not align with that.

lol, I have yet to come across anyone who “identifies” themselves as “woke”. It’s a bullshit term used up by the far right Christian nationalists, stolen by them from the blacks, all just to create a “boogeyman” for their cheesy cause. The culture warriors fear mongering. Just like the “well organized domestic terrorist organization” - Antifa, the boogeymen, be careful, they may eat your pets! BBQ them at democratic lefty tailgate parties!!

You need to get out more.

[Meds]

I say it is leftist, as when you look at the spectrum, the Right's core values are a belief in the Individual over the group, small, unobtrusive government, and full Democracy and Capitalism. The Left believes in large governement, groups over individuals, high taxes, control over freeedom, and heavy government involvement in the economy, and dictatorship. Communism is Leftist, and wants the State to own production, while Fascism is Leftist, and usually leans more to state control of production, by telling corporations what to make, for how much, etc. As the main difference between the two, it's a pretty fine line And, as someone mentioned earlier, Russia (and China, imo) are more Fascist than Communist, as they don't own the corportations, they just have their oligarchs instead.

To simplify the spectrum, the Far Right, if we follow the spectrum, would be a form of anarchy, with almost no governemnt, and no rules. The Far Left turns into a Communist/Fascist dictatorship.

It is interesting how Fascism grew out of the Marxist communist beliefs, but was mostly labelled as being Right Wing because the Italians and Germans hated Russia so much that they preferred to be called Fascists intead, as they were pretty much the same as Communism.

I disagree with your definitions. The idea that small government is a core belief on the right is a rather novel American idea. Traditional right wing governments have typically been rather robust. The old monarchies gave absolute power to their ruler, much like Trump wants to have it.

Per, do you sometimes forget that you are posting on a (North) American message board in a thread that is discussing American politics?

[Chef Boi RD]

I find it interesting that the most devout Christians like the Christian Nationalist MAGA movement we are seeing sweeping America for example are greatly opposed to having empathy. I wonder if we’re going to be seeimg some edits in Trumps Bible for more anti-woke mentions.

These two things are incompatible.

Who is claiming they are devout? Are they? Or are you labelling them that way?

Hmmm, would the Christian Nationalists (MAGA) not be “devout”? Did I use this description wrong? They are definitely passionate about their Jesus, have you not seen Karoline Leavitt stopping to pray with her people before the cameras before meeting the press? That’s banana’s, weird as fuck. Maybe devout isn’t the best way to describe, is “cuckoo” better?

I should have phrased that better.

Who is claiming they are devout Christian?

They are devout when it comes to their cause. However the actions and statements we are seeing from people of faith do not align with the scripture their faith is based upon.

It’s all gray matter then? Void of black and white? Isn’t that the problem?

This is why Church and State has no place in governing. Their governing should not possess any hint of Christianity or any other religion whatsoever.

The current government is pretty much a Christian Nationalist movement and is not representative of “all” Americans which is why we need to kick that shit out. If it was, representative of every American, then a different story. Or is this what it’s all about? Making America Christmas Again? MACA. Save Santa?

America - Christian State
Israel - Jewish State
Saudi Arabia - Islamic State

Is this what we are trying to achieve?

[Meds]

They/we [the atheists] seem to be doing just dandy regarding “morals”.

Sure. Lenin. Stalin. Mao. Pol Pot. Hitler; possibly into paganism, but decidedly not Christian.

What could go wrong?

I disagree about Hitler. I'd say he was some sort of Christian Nationalist.

He was raised Catholic and never formally left the church. He had a lot of quarrels with the different Christian denominations and certainly did not conform to traditional Christian beliefs, but in a slightly tweaked version:

In public statements made during his rule, Hitler continued to speak positively about a Nazi vision of Christian German culture, and his belief in an Aryan Christ. Hitler added that Saint Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus' message – a theme Hitler repeated in private conversations, including, in October 1941, when he made the decision to murder the Jews.

A Christian, of any kind, cannot deny the core tenants of the Bible or say that it was erroneous. Jesus was a Jew, to say otherwise and call the majority of the New Testament falsified, would indicate that he was anything but Christian. For you to then hang any sort of Christian label on him absolutely discredits a rational assessment.

Hitler was a German Nationalist who attempted to appropriate the major religion of the time in order to win favour among the electorate.

[Chef Boi RD]

I say it is leftist, as when you look at the spectrum, the Right's core values are a belief in the Individual over the group, small, unobtrusive government, and full Democracy and Capitalism. The Left believes in large governement, groups over individuals, high taxes, control over freeedom, and heavy government involvement in the economy, and dictatorship. Communism is Leftist, and wants the State to own production, while Fascism is Leftist, and usually leans more to state control of production, by telling corporations what to make, for how much, etc. As the main difference between the two, it's a pretty fine line And, as someone mentioned earlier, Russia (and China, imo) are more Fascist than Communist, as they don't own the corportations, they just have their oligarchs instead.

To simplify the spectrum, the Far Right, if we follow the spectrum, would be a form of anarchy, with almost no governemnt, and no rules. The Far Left turns into a Communist/Fascist dictatorship.

It is interesting how Fascism grew out of the Marxist communist beliefs, but was mostly labelled as being Right Wing because the Italians and Germans hated Russia so much that they preferred to be called Fascists intead, as they were pretty much the same as Communism.

I disagree with your definitions. The idea that small government is a core belief on the right is a rather novel American idea. Traditional right wing governments have typically been rather robust. The old monarchies gave absolute power to their ruler, much like Trump wants to have it.

Per, do you sometimes forget that you are posting on a (North) American message board in a thread that is discussing American politics?

The same could be said about Canadians posting on American politics. I know some like to think, imagine we are the same. Especially the Maple MAGA/Timbit Trumps who got all cozy with its neighbor during the cheeseball trucker convoy hilariousness, but we are not. In fact the divide is greater than ever thanks to Donny Boy driving that wedge with his nonsense.

[Meds]

I say it is leftist, as when you look at the spectrum, the Right's core values are a belief in the Individual over the group, small, unobtrusive government, and full Democracy and Capitalism. The Left believes in large governement, groups over individuals, high taxes, control over freeedom, and heavy government involvement in the economy, and dictatorship. Communism is Leftist, and wants the State to own production, while Fascism is Leftist, and usually leans more to state control of production, by telling corporations what to make, for how much, etc. As the main difference between the two, it's a pretty fine line And, as someone mentioned earlier, Russia (and China, imo) are more Fascist than Communist, as they don't own the corportations, they just have their oligarchs instead.

To simplify the spectrum, the Far Right, if we follow the spectrum, would be a form of anarchy, with almost no governemnt, and no rules. The Far Left turns into a Communist/Fascist dictatorship.

It is interesting how Fascism grew out of the Marxist communist beliefs, but was mostly labelled as being Right Wing because the Italians and Germans hated Russia so much that they preferred to be called Fascists intead, as they were pretty much the same as Communism.

I disagree with your definitions. The idea that small government is a core belief on the right is a rather novel American idea. Traditional right wing governments have typically been rather robust. The old monarchies gave absolute power to their ruler, much like Trump wants to have it.

Per, do you sometimes forget that you are posting on a (North) American message board in a thread that is discussing American politics?

The same could be said about Canadians posting on American politics. I know some like to think, imagine we are the same. Especially the Maple MAGA/Timbit Trumps who got all cozy with its neighbor during the cheeseball trucker convoy hilariousness, but we are not. In fact the divide is greater than ever thanks to Donny Boy driving that wedge with his nonsense.

Our founding ideas are similar, and our left/right views are also similar. Like it or lump it, Chef, Canada has been Americanized.

[Chef Boi RD]

They/we [the atheists] seem to be doing just dandy regarding “morals”.

Sure. Lenin. Stalin. Mao. Pol Pot. Hitler; possibly into paganism, but decidedly not Christian.

What could go wrong?

I disagree about Hitler. I'd say he was some sort of Christian Nationalist.

He was raised Catholic and never formally left the church. He had a lot of quarrels with the different Christian denominations and certainly did not conform to traditional Christian beliefs, but in a slightly tweaked version:

In public statements made during his rule, Hitler continued to speak positively about a Nazi vision of Christian German culture, and his belief in an Aryan Christ. Hitler added that Saint Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus' message – a theme Hitler repeated in private conversations, including, in October 1941, when he made the decision to murder the Jews.

Hitler was a German Nationalist who attempted to appropriate the major religion of the time in order to win favour among the electorate.

On a side note, I find this interesting, the correlation with Trump who we have come to learn is clearly a Nationalist and like Hitler made great attempts appropriating the major religion of America in order to win favour among the electorate?

Everyone who has ever known Trump says he does not possess a religious bone in his body.

Is Christianity just a pawn, a grift to winning office? Especially for a Nationalist movement?

[Chef Boi RD]

I say it is leftist, as when you look at the spectrum, the Right's core values are a belief in the Individual over the group, small, unobtrusive government, and full Democracy and Capitalism. The Left believes in large governement, groups over individuals, high taxes, control over freeedom, and heavy government involvement in the economy, and dictatorship. Communism is Leftist, and wants the State to own production, while Fascism is Leftist, and usually leans more to state control of production, by telling corporations what to make, for how much, etc. As the main difference between the two, it's a pretty fine line And, as someone mentioned earlier, Russia (and China, imo) are more Fascist than Communist, as they don't own the corportations, they just have their oligarchs instead.

To simplify the spectrum, the Far Right, if we follow the spectrum, would be a form of anarchy, with almost no governemnt, and no rules. The Far Left turns into a Communist/Fascist dictatorship.

It is interesting how Fascism grew out of the Marxist communist beliefs, but was mostly labelled as being Right Wing because the Italians and Germans hated Russia so much that they preferred to be called Fascists intead, as they were pretty much the same as Communism.

I disagree with your definitions. The idea that small government is a core belief on the right is a rather novel American idea. Traditional right wing governments have typically been rather robust. The old monarchies gave absolute power to their ruler, much like Trump wants to have it.

Per, do you sometimes forget that you are posting on a (North) American message board in a thread that is discussing American politics?

The same could be said about Canadians posting on American politics. I know some like to think, imagine we are the same. Especially the Maple MAGA/Timbit Trumps who got all cozy with its neighbor during the cheeseball trucker convoy hilariousness, but we are not. In fact the divide is greater than ever thanks to Donny Boy driving that wedge with his nonsense.

Canada has been Americanized.

Is this what you want, Mëds? Trump is clearly using our dependency against us.

In fact, I will go as far as saying that one day we will thank Trump for De-Americanizing Canada, severing that dependency. I want this country of mine to get as far away from that shitsow disaster as possible, and by not electing Timbit Trump Poilievere was the start, thank Atheist.

“I’m from the school of thought that we’ll thank Donald Trump in 20 years for shaking us up in Canada and bringing us out of our lethargy,” Jean Charest

[Chef Boi RD]

The problem with the woke crew is that they vilify people for a lack of empathy while demonstrating the very lack of empathy they are condemning a lack of.

While this may be true and is obviously hypocritical, isn't this only on the extreme edges of the those who consider themselves woke? I don't think this is where the main division in society is over "wokeness".

No. My experiences with people who identify as woke certainly do not align with that.

lol, I have yet to come across anyone who “identifies” themselves as “woke”. It’s a bullshit term used up by the far right Christian nationalists, stolen by them from the blacks, all just to create a “boogeyman” for their cheesy cause. The culture warriors fear mongering. Just like the “well organized domestic terrorist organization” - Antifa, the boogeymen, be careful, they may eat your pets! BBQ them at democratic lefty tailgate parties!!

You need to get out more.

Nobody comes out and says “I’m woke as fuck and damn proud of it”. Woke is a generalized term the extreme right likes to throw around loosely to create a boogeyman to help them sleep at night. Now you may call someone who shows empathy for the rights of LGBTQ community as woke, someone who wants universal healthcare as woke, someone who wants to tax the billionaires as woke, someone who is concerned about the environment as woke, someone who supports BLM as woke, someone who is for canceling sick fucks like Weinstein, Cosby, as woke, someone who is pro choice as woke, someone who is against ICE as woke but nobody on the left is encompassing all what the far right likes to imagine in their paranoid conspiracy theory heads into one neat little package, a package with a pretty little bow tie on it.

Explain to me what is wrong with supporting some of those individual items I mentioned above. Woke us a derogatory political term used to slander those who may have concerns for some matters. Concerns that can come across of having empathy? Sympathy? Compassion? All things Jesus promoted.