Pettersson/Miller

[Topper]

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[Kenji]

I wonder how his wife is taking it. On one hand it sucks to have to pack up during the school year, but she is from New York (or so I read somewhere) and it is fun to be a Ranger and good for the Instagram.

[Blob Mckenzie]

I wonder how his wife is taking it. On one hand it sucks to have to pack up during the school year, but she is from New York (or so I read somewhere) and it is fun to be a Ranger and good for the Instagram.

I saw a post or two where a couple of the Hateful 8 were pretty angry about her uprooting her business. Like how could they survive on JT's mailman wages? "Leave Britainy alone"....

Perhaps they could see if Mr Cunt could perhaps buy up her business and decorate their cribs.

[Chef Boi RD]

Miller had to go, plain and simple. He’s a prick. Let him go and menace Lafreniere now.

[Strangelove]

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fixed

[Madcombinepilot]

...assholes are tougher to compete against because they'll gladly knock your teeth out (or claim to have had sex with your old lady) to win.

Only so many guys are willing to have said teeth knocked out or hear that Mindy took the entire D corps dicks up her ass last night.

This weakens their fight back and emboldens your forces.

LMAO!!

True words!!

[Lancer]

Fallout continues, with ex-teammates in Vancouver speaking out about their time in the room with Miller. Brad Richardson came out with this nugget:

“I love JT Miller. He’s a great guy. I’d take him on my team,” Richardson said on the podcast. “But I told [Allvin], you’ve got to surround a guy like JT Miller with veteran players, or you’re going to be f–ked.
“That’s how you calm JT Miller down. You’ve got to have a veteran group that knows how to settle him down at the right times when he gets a little off the rails because he does. If you get him dialed in, he’s an unbelievable player, and he’s a great guy, but he needs veteran guys around him, or he gets squirrely.”

For all the Bizz-Nasty and O'Brien comments about management trading the wrong player (they may not be wrong), but it seems management did take the problem out of the dressing room. Richardson's comments line up with some of the other comments about Miller playing with heart and being competitiveness, but needs someone to pull his head out of his ass when he needs it. Was that role filled by the likes of Cole and/or Zadorov, and their absence kept the room from dealing the latest Miller drama?

Pure speculation based on what's out there and Friedman's timeline, but here's a theory: Something happened between Miller and Pettersson - during or after the loss to Tampa Bay - that started all this, or triggered the latest chapter in the saga. Whatever it was, it reached a head during or after the Nashville game and Miller was sent home soon afterwards. Whether it happened in Florida or in Vancouver against Nashville, Miller did something from which he couldn't walk back or reconcile. Coaches and players let him have it, and he sulked at home. Comes back and both sides agree that the situation is beyond repair and a trade has to happen. If this is all half-way accurate, I wonder what happened that would create such a situation.

On the other side, Petey is not absolved in all this. He could have dealt with it while still performing, instead of playing half-assed and disinterested. Miller's gone, and so are his excuses. Unless he turns it around, why wouldn't management be looking at options to replace him , even if they're taking more risk in a younger, more unproven player.

[Cornuck]

On the other side, Petey is not absolved in all this. He could have dealt with it while still performing, instead of playing half-assed and disinterested. Miller's gone, and so are his excuses. Unless he turns it around, why wouldn't management be looking at options to replace him , even if they're taking more risk in a younger, more unproven player.

Interesting post, and seems very plausible. Add in that teams have a captain, who should be working to rein this all in. I'll guess that Hughes likely didn't have the skillset, and I don't blame him - sounds like few players would.

[JelloPuddingPop]

On the other side, Petey is not absolved in all this. He could have dealt with it while still performing, instead of playing half-assed and disinterested. Miller's gone, and so are his excuses. Unless he turns it around, why wouldn't management be looking at options to replace him , even if they're taking more risk in a younger, more unproven player.

Interesting post, and seems very plausible. Add in that teams have a captain, who should be working to rein this all in. I'll guess that Hughes likely didn't have the skillset, and I don't blame him - sounds like few players would.

I think Hughes certainly tried his best - I feel like his play took off, felt like he was holding the puck even longer - shooting even more, when this whole drama broke, than previously (even though he was already at a Hart level). Probably knew that winning can fix most things, and if they started winning - perhaps neither player would need to be traded. He did have a skillset to fix this, just on the ice. Probably knew words wouldn't do it alone.

Too bad the rest of the team didn't step up.

[Cornuck]

He did have a skillset to fix this, just on the ice. Probably knew words wouldn't do it alone.
Too bad the rest of the team didn't step up.

Yes, have to agree - he set the standard for ability and consistency. Miller wasn't a close 2nd and could have / should have worked towards that instead of whatever else he was doing. Leading by example only got Quinn so far.

We can only hope the team has put "this" behind them and move forward as an actual team.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Fallout continues, with ex-teammates in Vancouver speaking out about their time in the room with Miller. Brad Richardson came out with this nugget:

“I love JT Miller. He’s a great guy. I’d take him on my team,” Richardson said on the podcast. “But I told [Allvin], you’ve got to surround a guy like JT Miller with veteran players, or you’re going to be f–ked.
“That’s how you calm JT Miller down. You’ve got to have a veteran group that knows how to settle him down at the right times when he gets a little off the rails because he does. If you get him dialed in, he’s an unbelievable player, and he’s a great guy, but he needs veteran guys around him, or he gets squirrely.”

For all the Bizz-Nasty and O'Brien comments about management trading the wrong player (they may not be wrong), but it seems management did take the problem out of the dressing room. Richardson's comments line up with some of the other comments about Miller playing with heart and being competitiveness, but needs someone to pull his head out of his ass when he needs it. Was that role filled by the likes of Cole and/or Zadorov, and their absence kept the room from dealing the latest Miller drama?

Pure speculation based on what's out there and Friedman's timeline, but here's a theory: Something happened between Miller and Pettersson - during or after the loss to Tampa Bay - that started all this, or triggered the latest chapter in the saga. Whatever it was, it reached a head during or after the Nashville game and Miller was sent home soon afterwards. Whether it happened in Florida or in Vancouver against Nashville, Miller did something from which he couldn't walk back or reconcile. Coaches and players let him have it, and he sulked at home. Comes back and both sides agree that the situation is beyond repair and a trade has to happen. If this is all half-way accurate, I wonder what happened that would create such a situation.

On the other side, Petey is not absolved in all this. He could have dealt with it while still performing, instead of playing half-assed and disinterested. Miller's gone, and so are his excuses. Unless he turns it around, why wouldn't management be looking at options to replace him , even if they're taking more risk in a younger, more unproven player.

Agreed. I give EP40 the rest of the the season to prove if he wants and is capable of being the man. Unless you get your socks blown off in the next month, wait till June 30. If nothing gets done at that point he either killed it or we kill management.

[Per]

Boudreau thinks they did the right thing. The Canucks are playing with less tension after the trade.

He also says if you go for a cup run this year, Miller is the better player. If you plan for the future, Pettersson is the better player.
At 26 he still has his best years ahead of him, while Miller has already peaked.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/boudreau-c ... ad~3067603

[Nuckertuzzi]

So much is on the line with Petey's performance the rest of the season. We all want soooooo fucking bad to see him regain his form for a ton of reasons. For me it's simple. If this is the Petey we get the rest of the way, a trade in the offseason is certain and we WILL lose it, guaranteed. It will cripple us for years even with 11.6 cap space regained. The center(s) we'll find to replace him will not even come close to what the pre All-Star game Petey gives us.

He simply has to find his game before that eventuality. So much is on the line.

[Nuckertuzzi]

As for Miller. This whole thing would be much more easy to take if last year's dream season didn't happen. For a thought experiment let's just all of us try to wipe that memory out of our minds and base our opinion on the team not long before that was "if all goes well we're a playoff team" (which not so ironically is exactly where we are now).

Would any of us bitch about the Miller trade today? Not a chance. We'd all be applauding it as the right move, right time to break up a piece of the core, and best to start with an aging one you can't move forward with. It's obvious last year was an anomaly so why not look at it that way now?

[Megaterio Llamas]

Boudreau thinks they did the right thing. The Canucks are playing with less tension after the trade.

He also says if you go for a cup run this year, Miller is the better player. If you plan for the future, Pettersson is the better player.
At 26 he still has his best years ahead of him, while Miller has already peaked.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/boudreau-c ... ad~3067603

Boudreau has also mentioned a couple of times that he deployed Peter much differently than Tocchet has and it's probably eaten away at his confidence. I really hope he's right.

I have likened it to the way Scotty Bowman shifted Steve Yzerman to a more defensive role when he took over the Red Wings but maybe Pettersson isn't taking to the change in the same way though his defensive play has been stellar.