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[Blob Mckenzie]

Yeah...in general terms I had been okay with Patty and JR'S moves on an overall basis.

It was almost like a real Power Broker team was back in town.

But the EP contract and this D I am not pleased with at all.

Yup, gotta agree. They are starting to look and act like your typical Aqualini President and GM’s of the past, rushing things along instead of being patient.

No they aren't

[Meds]

Yeah...in general terms I had been okay with Patty and JR'S moves on an overall basis.

It was almost like a real Power Broker team was back in town.

But the EP contract and this D I am not pleased with at all.

Yup, gotta agree. They are starting to look and act like your typical Aqualini President and GM’s of the past, rushing things along instead of being patient.

No they aren't

You both need to back those statements up.

Either way, I'd say that what they do between now and March 7th will tell us what's what.

[Hockey Widow]

They are operating the way Rutherford has always operated and that has been passed onto to Allvin. Rutherford has been known as one of the original trader Jims. He has always been agressive in moving players out who dont fit and in making trades to upgrade the team. As we know, he has the reputation of liking to make trades early and often. He has also been know to be agressive in the offseason and in not caving into players demands, unless they are seen as part of the core.

What we see is what has always been his MO. Patience has never been part of trader Jims MO but It s nice to see that it is part of Allvin's MO becauseI happen to think he is very patient. Part on purpose and part because there are no trades yet that make sense to him.

[Kenji]

Gone gone gone I been gone gone gone so long.

Missed you guys. Hey did I miss anything else? Any drama on the bucks?

[Chef Boi RD]

They are operating the way Rutherford has always operated and that has been passed onto to Allvin. Rutherford has been known as one of the original trader Jims. He has always been agressive in moving players out who dont fit and in making trades to upgrade the team. As we know, he has the reputation of liking to make trades early and often. He has also been know to be agressive in the offseason and in not caving into players demands, unless they are seen as part of the core.

What we see is what has always been his MO. Patience has never been part of trader Jims MO but It s nice to see that it is part of Allvin's MO becauseI happen to think he is very patient. Part on purpose and part because there are no trades yet that make sense to him.

In which has always been the downside with Rutherford. Impatience has worked for him sometimes and sometimes not. There are risks to that kind of management. I maintain that going all in for rentals last year was not the time do it.

[Lancer]

Gone gone gone I been gone gone gone so long.

Missed you guys. Hey did I miss anything else? Any drama on the bucks?

Welcome back!

Aside from the perennial pro-Petey/bash-Petey debate, not much - though the Chef/Blobby back-and-forth has simmered down to almost a détente.

I think we're all waiting for the shoe to drop on whatever Allvin and Rutherford have cooking on the trade net. This roster cannot end the season looking the same as now if the organization really wants to advance past the 2nd round.

[Hockey Widow]

They are operating the way Rutherford has always operated and that has been passed onto to Allvin. Rutherford has been known as one of the original trader Jims. He has always been agressive in moving players out who dont fit and in making trades to upgrade the team. As we know, he has the reputation of liking to make trades early and often. He has also been know to be agressive in the offseason and in not caving into players demands, unless they are seen as part of the core.

What we see is what has always been his MO. Patience has never been part of trader Jims MO but It s nice to see that it is part of Allvin's MO becauseI happen to think he is very patient. Part on purpose and part because there are no trades yet that make sense to him.

In which has always been the downside with Rutherford. Impatience has worked for him sometimes and sometimes not. There are risks to that kind of management. I maintain that going all in for rentals last year was not the time do it.

Oh I agree 100% and said so, as did you, at the time. I did not mind the Zedorv trade but the Lidholm trade was not necessary. Now Lindholm played great for us in the playoffs and is the type of player you want in the post season but it was a trade that never should have happened the year that it did. Especially since he was most likely a rental with little chance of us being able to re-sign him. I would have been happy had they trade Pettersson to Carolina and made the Lindholm deal because then there was a chance we could re-sign him.

[Meds]

They are operating the way Rutherford has always operated and that has been passed onto to Allvin. Rutherford has been known as one of the original trader Jims. He has always been agressive in moving players out who dont fit and in making trades to upgrade the team. As we know, he has the reputation of liking to make trades early and often. He has also been know to be agressive in the offseason and in not caving into players demands, unless they are seen as part of the core.

What we see is what has always been his MO. Patience has never been part of trader Jims MO but It s nice to see that it is part of Allvin's MO becauseI happen to think he is very patient. Part on purpose and part because there are no trades yet that make sense to him.

In which has always been the downside with Rutherford. Impatience has worked for him sometimes and sometimes not. There are risks to that kind of management. I maintain that going all in for rentals last year was not the time do it.

Oh I agree 100% and said so, as did you, at the time. I did not mind the Zedorv trade but the Lidholm trade was not necessary. Now Lindholm played great for us in the playoffs and is the type of player you want in the post season but it was a trade that never should have happened the year that it did. Especially since he was most likely a rental with little chance of us being able to re-sign him. I would have been happy had they trade Pettersson to Carolina and made the Lindholm deal because then there was a chance we could re-sign him.

I'm of two minds on this one.

Sometimes you have to roll the dice. As we know, even the best team in the league is still doing just that when they enter the playoffs. How many times have we seen one or more of the favourites gone in the first two rounds? The heavily favoured Lightning got swept by Columbus the year before they actually won back-to-back Cups. So when the team came out of the gate so hot last year, scoring at an insane pace, Hughes taking a massive step forward (even though he was already elite), Hronek proving to be very worth the cost of acquiring, excellent play from the 3rd and 4th lines, and Demko playing to Vezina standards. Sometimes you just have go all-in when the flop gives you a strong hand.

I think the acquisition of Zadorov was a very smart move. But when it was apparent that he was a fit with the team after 10 games, they should have moved to extend him then. He said that Vancouver had been his preferred destination in his draft year (but we took Bo), his play in Calgary was excellent in his first season and earned him a 2 year extension. The following season he was still putting up points, but his overall play was not as good and that continued into the second year which is when Vancouver acquired him. His contract history has been 1 and 2 year deals after his ELC, and never for more than $3.75M AAV, so I have to ask if he would have taken a 4 year deal for $18M instead of the 5 year deal for $25M. I think still a bit more than we would have liked given his inconsistent history, but certainly not terrible for the team with the projected cap increases. Zadorov was never going to be anything more than a #4 guy, and better suited to being a high minute #5 who can play up as needed, but he brought other elements that this group very much needed. He was big, and quite mobile for his size, had a knack for putting up timely points, and definitely protected his teammates.

The trade for Lindholm was the dice roll, and at the time the consensus was that Pettersson should probably be deployed as a winger (I still think so), which meant there was a need for a 2nd line C. Lindholm should never have been brought in to supply 3rd line insurance. Blueger was doing a good job, and with Garland and Joshua on the wings that 3rd line was taking huge advantage of the mismatch that opposing teams were forced to overcome due to having Brock and Miller firing on all cylinders and Petey producing at a 95 point pace on the 2nd line. Tocchet never gave Pettersson and Lindholm a chance to figure it out, 2 or 3 games and then Lindholm was the 3rd line C and Blueger got demoted. It was not well executed.

Lindholm's contract ask was retarded, Boston is paying $7.75M per year until he is 36 and right now he's plugging 0.5ppg. Smart of Vancouver to let him walk.....but the overpayment to acquire him hurts.

Hindsight being 20/20.....we should have extended Zadorov and made the trade with Carolina for Necas and Kotkaniemi, flipped Kotkaniemi for something on the blueline, and seen if Necas and Lindholm had any magic together.

As they say, shoot your shot. Rutherford and Allvin did and it missed.....a healthy Demko, Hughes not banged up, no blood clot for Brock, and a producing Pettersson, and that shot probably sees us playing the Panthers. Definitely we would have gotten past Edmonton. Alas, no. Now they have to figure out a way to get into position for another shot quickly. This season does not look to be that time. If Hughes, Pettersson, Hronek, and Demko, all return at full health, and Petey and Demko can find their October 2023 form, then the Canucks could very well be in a great spot if they have built character and resolve from this early season adversity. Lots of ifs though.

I still advocate moving on from EP40 though. Too many uncertainties there. Mental health, physical durability, inconsistent effort and production, a contract that still has an out before July 1st.

[donlever]

Lots of is for sure.

Zadorov, Necas and Kotkaniemi would also have been fine.

[theman]

I agree with lots of Mëds post above. Hindsight being 20/20, the Lindholm trade was the wrong move but you have to shoot your shot too. With a healthy Demko, that Canucks team beats Edmonton in the 2nd round.

Canucks should have extended Zadarov after acquiring him, hell 15 m over 4 probably would have gotten it done then. 16 m over 4 at the deadline probably would have worked at that time too.

[theman]

Demko out, Silovs called up.

[theman]

Also Petey now on IR

https://x.com/canucks/status/1875323758 ... s1igZokqEQ

[Strangelove]

Gone gone gone I been gone gone gone so long.

Missed you guys. Hey did I miss anything else? Any drama on the bucks?

Hey Kenji, where ya been?

[Carl Yagro]

Gone gone gone I been gone gone gone so long.

Missed you guys. Hey did I miss anything else? Any drama on the bucks?

Hey Kenji, where ya been?

Chilliwack

[Strangelove]

OUCH, you nastay.