Canucks News N Notes 24-25

[2Fingers]

Canucks current management is at least happy that the feud means fans are talking about that vs. the bottom 4 defenders when the season started. Even a happy EP/JT right now couldn’t fix the problems on the D.

I don’t follow each player as close as others, could management have spent their $$ better. Myers at $3 looked good but even with QH and Hronek on the team he seemed to have reverted back to what we saw a few seasons ago. I was in a fog at the beginning of the season so I could be wrong.

[Chef Boi RD]

Canucks current management is at least happy that the feud means fans are talking about that vs. the bottom 4 defenders when the season started. Even a happy EP/JT right now couldn’t fix the problems on the D.

I don’t follow each player as close as others, could management have spent their $$ better. Myers at $3 looked good but even with QH and Hronek on the team he seemed to have reverted back to what we saw a few seasons ago. I was in a fog at the beginning of the season so I could be wrong.

It is of my esteemed opinion, that management picked the wrong year (last deadline) to go all in for a run, selling futures for rentals. They miscalculated where they were at in the curve and that is concerning - the inability to read the room. I don’t have much faith in the baldies at the moment, especially with the defence they put together after Hughes and Hronek.

[Chef Boi RD]

Bo Horvat

"Miller and I got along great. There's gonna be times when you're gonna cuss each other out. There's gonna be times when you're not gonna like somebody, but at the same time, you respect everybody," Horvat said. "You're all friends in there, you're all teammates, and you're all fighting towards the same goal. Are you gonna get along all the time? No, but at the same time, he and I had a good relationship. Same with me
and Petey"

[Carl Yagro]

I question how deep this alleged rift runs. Why the hell would he have signed on long term if he had a massive issue with Miller.

It's being exacerbated by poor performance absolutely but I figure it's overblown at this stage.

If anything I smell the GM buttering up the fanbase for the trading of EP

I believe it's always been more smoke than fire, generated by a few media members then the youtubers and sheep bleat for them.

The disbelief and anger manifested as soon as JB traded the 1st. You can probably still find it on X I'm sure. Worst trade ever, they said... yet immediately had to shut it as results showed otherwise. Their agenda was to convince ownership and management to "weaponize" cap space, tank for picks and REBUILD. But Aqua don't play that game. Never has and probably never will.

Now, every chance they've had, the media has trotted out the trade Miller narrative... especially during Bo's negotiations. This regime could see the impact between the two options and likely had already made the choice. It helped that even the blind could see who the bigger straw was and he gave the team a very team-friendly discount. But of course, that didn't stop the media trying to trade the guy right after the re-signing. Something about no movement protection, here's the chance to do it. No, in this instance we don't need 2 top centers, one is enough thank you.

Yup, they both signed max contracts knowing the other guy is going to be here long-term. There was also this line called... let me see if I recall... 649? I wonder who was on that line?

I've said many times before, this franchise has had many assholes before who didn't give a f**k about the team or fanbase and didn't even want to be here. This asshole has proven his worth, driving play for the team since day 1, is already tops in many all-time team categories and is an American who wants to be here. Sure, he has a personality that irks many, but judging by the on ice reactions as mentioned here, many teammates seem to enjoy the personality over some other personality. Pure coincidence? Maybe.

Remember, guys like Bure, Bert and Kesler/Bieksa/Burrows? There were real cliques in those rooms and people had to be separated. Didn't really get reported until they left. It was still drama-free when the games started. Miller sat next to Bo, no separation. I really hate these "media" weasels and their social media sheeple.

I wouldn't doubt if the brass stirred up some of this to deflect. I wonder what the team and teammates were really thinking about the absolute trash play of the soon to be highest player right after the ASG? Must have been concerned and flabbergasted with this version. They should have gotten past the 2nd round. Where was the communication re: this injury for 3.5 months? Were any team doctors consulted? No offseason surgery required, just rest. Why didn't they rest him in those 3.5 months?

The timing and what management now are saying is quite telling. It doesn't absolve them of responsibility in the matter. Still, very interesting...

[Hockey Widow]

It sounds like JT can use the big dawg approach when dealing with players he felt are dogging it and not giving 100% every practice, every shift. At the same time he has had to mature in areas around not being to negatively emotional when he fucks up. He was called out on it, slow poking on shift changes etc. He matured. He got better. But he has never been accused of not giving his all.

Sounds like Pettersson is not used to being called out. He has always been the star on every team, the golden boy. But at the NHL level he has to still learn to play through the differing expectations that come with being an NHL star. Sounds like he has not responded well to being challenged by a team-mate. Sounds like said teammate has been told to calm it down and not be so agressive.

Sounds like a learning curve for both. Hell we have all called out Pettersson for a year now. Most believe he is over paid for what he is currently delivering and hoping he gets back to alien form and earning his contract. Is there a rift? Probably of some type. Overblown? Probably because we are sucking right now and have yet this season to find our form from last year. Is the rift manageable? Yes, if we start winning and getting back to what we saw last year.

Injuries have played a big part this year. A watered down defence has played a bigger part. But if we can start winning there will be love and joy in the dressing room again.

[Picker of Cherries]

Petey has been injured for the last couple of games and both he and Miller addressed their relationship before he was injured.
Petey has nothing to do with the last few collapses. The media just likes to get clicks by rehashing that two stars might have a conflict, big fucking deal. I guess it is sexier than talking about the sorry defence that the Baldies are rolling out. If the Canuck miss the playoffs, it will be because the defence cannot hold a lead, not scoring, not grudges in the room. If the team had an NHL defence, they’d be a lock for the playoffs. This defence all falls on management. They are reaping what they sowed. If they can’t make a trade, waive Brannstrom and sit Deharnais and Juulsen, tell Soucy to play his offside and try:

Kudryavtsev Myers
D-Petey Soucy
Forbort McWard

It might not be any better, but it won’t be any worse.

[donlever]

Yeah...in general terms I had been okay with Patty and JR'S moves on an overall basis.

It was almost like a real Power Broker team was back in town.

But the EP contract and this D I am not pleased with at all.

[Lancer]

This was just a drop of blood in the water a couple months ago. Petey was struggling; Miller went on leave of absence; people looking for answers in a vacuum stumble on this off-and-on tiff between the two. Toronto media get a sniff, and cue the media circus. This is Eastern hockey media tradition: as soon as Vancouver starts doing well, next thing you know every cockamamie theory, innuendo and bald-faced lie starts seeping out of “the rumor mill” or “what I’m hearing from sources around the league” in order to create drama, distraction and discouragement around the team. It beats having to explain why Toronto is still going nowhere, and you can only lick McJesus’ balls on TV so much.

Started with Friedman, then Dreger; and now Kypreos is chiming in, saying that there’s “significant roster movement imminent.

Just win, and shut them up.

[Chef Boi RD]

Yeah...in general terms I had been okay with Patty and JR'S moves on an overall basis.

It was almost like a real Power Broker team was back in town.

But the EP contract and this D I am not pleased with at all.

Yup, gotta agree. They are starting to look and act like your typical Aqualini President and GM’s of the past, rushing things along instead of being patient.

[Meds]

People also have to recall that last season (from October to the All-Star break) the Canucks often outscored their defensive problems. It was more of a struggle down the stretch as scoring became harder to come by.....this was due in part to teams buckling down on their defensive games as the games really started to matter, and also the mysterious disappearance of their second highest scoring forward.

While guys like Cole and Zadorov were at least equivalent, and sometimes better, than Myers and Soucy, and obviously clearly better than Juulsen, Friedman, Brannstrom, and Forbert, they are both best suited to the 4-6 spots on the blueline depth chart, and I don't know that the salary demands were worth it.

As has been pointed out, the brass jumped the gun. When players like Cole and Zadorov get too big for their britches and start asking for more money based upon team success in a limited sample size, then the obvious answer is to let them walk and replace them from within.....unfortunately the team wasn't ready for that. The cupboard had nothing ready to come off the shelf and now we're seeing the results as soon as the top-2 guys are injured.

Really the weakness on this team has been on the blueline for a while, and it wasn't addressed.....nor can it be easily dealt with now that we've committed $11.6 sheets to a guy who has forgotten how to score, and there is about to be $4.5M of dead cap space next season, as well as extensions to the best winger on the team (with nobody on the farm ready to step in).

[Meds]

This was just a drop of blood in the water a couple months ago. Petey was struggling; Miller went on leave of absence; people looking for answers in a vacuum stumble on this off-and-on tiff between the two. Toronto media get a sniff, and cue the media circus. This is Eastern hockey media tradition: as soon as Vancouver starts doing well, next thing you know every cockamamie theory, innuendo and bald-faced lie starts seeping out of “the rumor mill” or “what I’m hearing from sources around the league” in order to create drama, distraction and discouragement around the team. It beats having to explain why Toronto is still going nowhere, and you can only lick McJesus’ balls on TV so much.

Started with Friedman, then Dreger; and now Kypreos is chiming in, saying that there’s “significant roster movement imminent.

Just win, and shut them up.

While there's some truth to that Lancer, not just a few of us saw something like this coming with Pettersson well before the extension was signed. Some of us were not convinced he was a guy to build a top-6 around in his 2nd and 3rd seasons. He managed to shut us up for 18 months, but it is now almost a year since he was producing and playing like the guy that management was trying to sell him to us as.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Last year Van was a top 5 defensive group in the NHL statistically so Mëds I formally refute your allegation that they outscored their defensive shortcomings

[Meds]

Last year Van was a top 5 defensive group in the NHL statistically so Mëds I formally refute your allegation that they outscored their defensive shortcomings

That's a broad statistical category there Cuz. Care to refine it?

[Cousin Strawberry]

Last year Van was a top 5 defensive group in the NHL statistically so Mëds I formally refute your allegation that they outscored their defensive shortcomings

That's a broad statistical category there Cuz. Care to refine it?

No...not really...I can't find actual numbers buuuut...

I listen in to podcasts from Halford and Brough and their guests are usually pretty solid interviews. I've heard more than a handful of times at least that they were one of the very best at keeping shots out of high danger areas and defending the seams.

I assure you this information is accurate

[donlever]

I assure you this information is accurate

I heard it, I heard it,

I heard it on the X.