L-GDT: Canucks host Isles - Nov14 7pm - Snet

[Cornuck]

They fucked you over corn…

They fucked us all over.

[Per]

There was no kicking motion; that's a goal!

Well no shit there was no kicking motion.....it went off his glove.

Well, unless he threw it in, it should be allowed. You can bounce the puck off of players standing in front of the goal.

[Topper]

A few comments;

Heeeeee's baaaaack - to milking his $142,000+ per game salary. The bright candles are out on the birthday boys cake.

Bo Horvat, 5pts in 4 gms against Vancouver since the trade.

I can hear Howie Meeker screaming, "fishing for nickels" at the Canuck D. For christ sake, ignore the puck, eliminate the man.

From 33 1/3 vs the the Flames to bringing out the old 16rpm's to play the Isles.

What has happened to CoHog, a surprise 20+ goal season, comes to camp topping the fitness tests and now a 4th line scrub sitting in the box for bench minors.

Has Tochy Hockey been tuned out already? Forwards coasting back. Unable to move the puck out along the boards. No pace to their game. D not being physical in front of the net.

How many missed passes or mishandled passes?

Beauty by Sushi, looked like Jari Kurri on that. If he continues to grow at this level, is Heinen or CoHog Sprong loose upon Brock's return? Does Vancouver drop a D to make space? Given the need for offense and the underwhelming performance of CoHog, Heinen and Debrusk, there is a strong case that is building for rolling with Maki.

Islanders were playing their third game in four nights but out skated and out worked the Canucks.

[Topper]

There was no kicking motion; that's a goal!

Well no shit there was no kicking motion.....it went off his glove.

Well, unless he threw it in, it should be allowed. You can bounce the puck off of players standing in front of the goal.

It didn't just bounce of his hand, he thrust his stick forward trying to get it with his stick but instead, fingered it. Directed in with a hand is the rule. Rather ham fisted.

[306NucksFan]

A few comments;

What has happened to CoHog, a surprise 20+ goal season, comes to camp topping the fitness tests and now a 4th line scrub sitting in the box for bench minors.

Has Tochy Hockey been tuned out already? Forwards coasting back. Unable to move the puck out along the boards. No pace to their game. D not being physical in front of the net.

Islanders were playing their third game in four nights but out skated and out worked the Canucks.

Hoggy is supposed to be a high skill cap guy with motor. Not seeing any of that.

I think Tochy has indeed been tuned out. Breakouts by this team are abysmal. Well coached teams like Edmonton, Carolina and I guess NYI make the Canucks look silly.

It might be as simple and the difference between a team that believes in the coaches and their system and a team that is going through the motions.

One last note, our D looked like dogshit last night.

[Topper]

Ricky apologizes to fans, he sounds like Naslund, 'we weren't ready for the 1st period."

https://www.nhl.com/canucks/video/postg ... 4736467112

[Cornuck]

Can't wait to see what the rest of this home stand looks like with 3 games in 4 nights.

[Meds]

Has Tochy Hockey been tuned out already? Forwards coasting back. Unable to move the puck out along the boards. No pace to their game. D not being physical in front of the net.

I think Tochy has indeed been tuned out. Breakouts by this team are abysmal. Well coached teams like Edmonton, Carolina and I guess NYI make the Canucks look silly.

It might be as simple and the difference between a team that believes in the coaches and their system and a team that is going through the motions.

Topper, I have a hard time buying that a team that is coming off such recent success as they had last season that came from buying into a system and doing all the things that you point out are lacking in their game right now, would so quickly lose that buy-in. Granted there are a few new faces, but with the exception of the recently jettisoned Sprong, all of these guys are known for being 200 foot players who bring hustle to their game.

One could point to the injury to Demko, missing your starter always has an impact, and we've seen that before with this team when Demko is out. Their game changes and they don't trust the system the same way. Lankinen has been very good in relief, more scrambled than Demko, but stopping pucks effectively enough that this team should have a few more W's right now.

Joshua being absent from the lineup for the first 14 games left them lacking grit and physicality. But that's a weak excuse as a good team needs to be able to overcome the lack of a single middle-six winger.

Boeser being out has more of an impact than most of us would have thought possible 2 seasons ago. He's more of a leader on this team than some would likely admit, and the leadership that Miller and Surfside bring together is also overlooked and, imho, often credited more to JT than Brock. But again, he's only missed 3 games.

Is it not more likely that this team is eroding from within because, despite them being professionals in the best league on the planet, they are still human and it is hard for men to rally when one of their key members is floating while collecting more money than the bottom-6 forwards combined. Management has essentially stated that the leaders of this team are Hughes, Miller, Pettersson, and Demko, and they've paid Scooter the kind of money that says they see him in the same category as players like Tavares, Crosby, Kucherov, Benn, Pastrnak, Barkov, Josi, and Makar.....the list could go on a bit so I'll digress. But none of those guys are known for mailing it in, and if this is a psychological issue, well what the hell are they paying this guy like that for because this funk is not a new thing for him. But the impact on teammates is undeniably going to be felt, and I think we are seeing it play out on the ice.

[306NucksFan]

Is it not more likely that this team is eroding from within because, despite them being professionals in the best league on the planet, they are still human and it is hard for men to rally when one of their key members is floating while collecting more money than the bottom-6 forwards combined. Management has essentially stated that the leaders of this team are Hughes, Miller, Pettersson, and Demko, and they've paid Scooter the kind of money that says they see him in the same category as players like Tavares, Crosby, Kucherov, Benn, Pastrnak, Barkov, Josi, and Makar.....the list could go on a bit so I'll digress. But none of those guys are known for mailing it in, and if this is a psychological issue, well what the hell are they paying this guy like that for because this funk is not a new thing for him. But the impact on teammates is undeniably going to be felt, and I think we are seeing it play out on the ice.

If this is the toxic atmosphere of the team then we are in huge trouble.

Petterson has not been floating (IMO), he has just been a bit snake bitten on the scoresheet. Huge difference there!

[Meds]

Is it not more likely that this team is eroding from within because, despite them being professionals in the best league on the planet, they are still human and it is hard for men to rally when one of their key members is floating while collecting more money than the bottom-6 forwards combined. Management has essentially stated that the leaders of this team are Hughes, Miller, Pettersson, and Demko, and they've paid Scooter the kind of money that says they see him in the same category as players like Tavares, Crosby, Kucherov, Benn, Pastrnak, Barkov, Josi, and Makar.....the list could go on a bit so I'll digress. But none of those guys are known for mailing it in, and if this is a psychological issue, well what the hell are they paying this guy like that for because this funk is not a new thing for him. But the impact on teammates is undeniably going to be felt, and I think we are seeing it play out on the ice.

If this is the toxic atmosphere of the team then we are in huge trouble.

Petterson has not been floating (IMO), he has just been a bit snake bitten on the scoresheet. Huge difference there!

He has had 3 or 4 games this year where I could agree with you about being snake bitten. The remaining 11 or 12 have been a player who does not engage and cannot create space. He's 26 years old and making $11.6M a year.....and (as Topper has pointed out) he needs skating lessons and special treatment? No. I'm sorry. That salary means you are expected to lead AND produce. Think about the message being sent by management here.....we will pay you the biggest salary in team history based on a single season of 1.0ppg (or better) and the potential for that to continue or grow. Even though you hold out and don't want to sign for the same (or less than) your countryman who has proven to be a more consistent player, and more physically athletic.....we will still give you what you want.

The rest of you we will pay based upon performance past, and we will nickel and dime you in negotiations.

That is absolutely going to have an effect.

[Topper]

Low balled Bo, 5pts in 4 gms vs Vancouver

[Strangelove]

Is it not more likely that this team is eroding from within because, despite them being professionals in the best league on the planet, they are still human and it is hard for men to rally when one of their key members is floating while collecting more money than the bottom-6 forwards combined. Management has essentially stated that the leaders of this team are Hughes, Miller, Pettersson, and Demko, and they've paid Scooter the kind of money that says they see him in the same category as players like Tavares, Crosby, Kucherov, Benn, Pastrnak, Barkov, Josi, and Makar.....the list could go on a bit so I'll digress. But none of those guys are known for mailing it in, and if this is a psychological issue, well what the hell are they paying this guy like that for because this funk is not a new thing for him. But the impact on teammates is undeniably going to be felt, and I think we are seeing it play out on the ice.

If this is the toxic atmosphere of the team then we are in huge trouble.

Petterson has not been floating (IMO), he has just been a bit snake bitten on the scoresheet. Huge difference there!

He has had 3 or 4 games this year where I could agree with you about being snake bitten. The remaining 11 or 12 have been a player who does not engage and cannot create space. He's 26 years old and making $11.6M a year.....and (as Topper has pointed out) he needs skating lessons and special treatment? No. I'm sorry. That salary means you are expected to lead AND produce. Think about the message being sent by management here.....we will pay you the biggest salary in team history based on a single season of 1.0ppg (or better) and the potential for that to continue or grow. Even though you hold out and don't want to sign for the same (or less than) your countryman who has proven to be a more consistent player, and more physically athletic.....we will still give you what you want.

The rest of you we will pay based upon performance past, and we will nickel and dime you in negotiations.

That is absolutely going to have an effect.

So Mëds, are you saying a "toxic atmosphere" has been created because Petey is not living up to his contract?

BTW I think most people here would strongly disagree with you that Petey is "floating".

The effort is there.

[Topper]

I believe for much of the season he has been floating. Only maybe the past 3-4 games have I not seen him float for much of his time on the ice.

I won't speculate on how it affects the locker room.

[Meds]

Is it not more likely that this team is eroding from within because, despite them being professionals in the best league on the planet, they are still human and it is hard for men to rally when one of their key members is floating while collecting more money than the bottom-6 forwards combined. Management has essentially stated that the leaders of this team are Hughes, Miller, Pettersson, and Demko, and they've paid Scooter the kind of money that says they see him in the same category as players like Tavares, Crosby, Kucherov, Benn, Pastrnak, Barkov, Josi, and Makar.....the list could go on a bit so I'll digress. But none of those guys are known for mailing it in, and if this is a psychological issue, well what the hell are they paying this guy like that for because this funk is not a new thing for him. But the impact on teammates is undeniably going to be felt, and I think we are seeing it play out on the ice.

If this is the toxic atmosphere of the team then we are in huge trouble.

Petterson has not been floating (IMO), he has just been a bit snake bitten on the scoresheet. Huge difference there!

He has had 3 or 4 games this year where I could agree with you about being snake bitten. The remaining 11 or 12 have been a player who does not engage and cannot create space. He's 26 years old and making $11.6M a year.....and (as Topper has pointed out) he needs skating lessons and special treatment? No. I'm sorry. That salary means you are expected to lead AND produce. Think about the message being sent by management here.....we will pay you the biggest salary in team history based on a single season of 1.0ppg (or better) and the potential for that to continue or grow. Even though you hold out and don't want to sign for the same (or less than) your countryman who has proven to be a more consistent player, and more physically athletic.....we will still give you what you want.

The rest of you we will pay based upon performance past, and we will nickel and dime you in negotiations.

That is absolutely going to have an effect.

So Mëds, are you saying a "toxic atmosphere" has been created because Petey is not living up to his contract?

BTW I think most people here would strongly disagree with you that Petey is "floating".

The effort is there.

I never used the word "toxic".

[Strangelove]

I never used the word "toxic".

No, no you didn't, 306 used it to sum up what you were saying... and you didn't disagree.

Don't be nervous Mëds, I'm just trying to get to know you better is all.

It's because I care about you, ya big lug.




Topper: You are of course entitled to your opinion Re: Floating.

Sometimes floating can be a tough thing to determine.