Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:54 am
The first fucking dominoes should be to lock up your two franchise players to eight year deals. Full stop.
Well that’s not until next summer Doylez, but I would imagine every decision they are making now is dictated by those two looming cap crunching colossal contracts
All of Pearson, Edler, Sutter and Baertschi come off the books before Hughes and Petey get their haul. That’s $17.3 million. What’s to worry?
That being said, with that in mind, not sure how they can sign all 3 of Markstrom, Tanev and Toffoli. Would not want to be Benning right now, nobody anticipated Hughes and Petey to be generational-like
It’s a situation where we are going to have to depend on entry level contracts moving forward. Doyle you should be happy, don’t think Benning will be in a rush to trade picks anymore
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Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:11 pm
Trade them Demko to unload a coupla bad contracts in the package?
If you want to lose the Cup yeah do that. haha, but really demko >> ceiling much higher than Marky's at this point.
I gotta agree with SKYO. We have a few bad contracts, and a few good UFA's. Benning will be undoing a lot of great drafting if he starts unloading prospects or picks to get rid of any of our bad contracts. Pickup a back-up. Ride out a tough season (aren't they all tough?), and keep going.
Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:11 pm
Trade them Demko to unload a coupla bad contracts in the package?
If you want to lose the Cup yeah do that. haha, but really demko >> ceiling much higher than Marky's at this point.
I gotta agree with SKYO. We have a few bad contracts, and a few good UFA's. Benning will be undoing a lot of great drafting if he starts unloading prospects or picks to get rid of any of our bad contracts. Pickup a back-up. Ride out a tough season (aren't they all tough?), and keep going.
If it was only 1 season I would agree but it is 2 seasons so what SL is the best of all options. He also said we could get back a 2nd and I agree, Demko has really raised his value so why not move him now?
The window to sign Petey and Hughes is already open. A new contract will start the year after next season. I agree with Dolye. Get that done first. In fact you can probably use the UFA contracts as leverage, something like, "if we can get these contracts signed now and can determine our budget, we have a better chance to offer Tanev a contract." Both of them should get less than Aho got when he got an offer sheet, which was 5 years at roughly 8.5 million. The Canucks should want max term.They should both sign for 8 years at around 9 million. If they can get the numbers settled, maybe they can find room for Tanev. Or maybe signing Tanev can be conditional on them signing their new deals if they really want him.
If they were to trade Demko, and I'm not necessarily advocating for that, I'd expect both Eriksson and Baertschi to go with him and still want something decent back. Media or fans outside Vancouver talking like it's a small sample size with Demko have rocks in their head, he was a high 2nd round pick and has performed excellently at every level he's played, and is shaping up as a perfect example for drafting and developing a goaltender. He's a significant asset, still young and cost controlled and more than ready to be the starter here or elsewhere.
On another note, I wish Borowiecki played the right side but the guy's going to get paid regardless. Like overpaid get paid.
Really there is nothing wrong with not signing any UFAs, and just keeping the RFAs.
UFAs are going to get paid and the Canucks should wish them well, but not necessarily be the ones paying them.
Tanev is not playing as well as previous seasons. Slowing down and being injury prone means the contract must be very Canuck favorable. It would probably be better for him to sign for big bucks with Toronto.
Signing Marky likely means losing Demko. With age and future development potential for Demko, nothing wrong with letting Marky walk.
And Tofolli is what he is. He'll score more than Jake, but he isn't a speed demon. He is a top six winger for a few more years, but likely not a top three. He is a bit too old to be part of this teams long term core. He probably wants to move back close to LA. If he is asking too much in term or in cap, he can walk too. There are wingers like Jake, Lind, Hoglander and MacEwen who can try to make the top six until Podkolzin arrives. Which would save a lot of cap space.
Right D is the biggest issue, but maybe Woo, Rafferty or Chatfield can fill a spot or one of the left defensemen can play on the right side. They could go with a top four of:
Myers Hughes
Stecher Edler
to start the season, save money, and try to work some of the younger Dmen into that group.
Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:11 pm
Trade them Demko to unload a coupla bad contracts in the package?
If you want to lose the Cup yeah do that. haha, but really demko >> ceiling much higher than Marky's at this point.
I gotta agree with SKYO. We have a few bad contracts, and a few good UFA's. Benning will be undoing a lot of great drafting if he starts unloading prospects or picks to get rid of any of our bad contracts. Pickup a back-up. Ride out a tough season (aren't they all tough?), and keep going.
If it was only 1 season I would agree but it is 2 seasons so what SL is the best of all options. He also said we could get back a 2nd and I agree, Demko has really raised his value so why not move him now?
It's because you look at the contenders and the losers and the teams that shine have clutch goaltending and Demko (24yrs) has proven that he has that ability in his very young NHL career, dude has ice in his veins... while Marky has looked shaky a bit in his playoff premiere at 30yrs of age with 3 AHL years and over 8 years of NHL experience while expecting around $6M AAV as a UFA allegedly.
Jim Benning on @TSN1040:
He would like to re-sign Markstrom but adds: “Jacob has earned that right if he needs to test the market if he’s not happy with where we end up.”
Markstrom is a workhorse and I like his goaltending, but with all his experience he didn't exactly shine as a #1 in the playoffs, the Canucks scored a ton of goals to get past the Wild, Blues and took Vegas to 7 games. Marky let in some weak goals, some softies, but if he wants the big bucks and term, team and JB has said he might have to check the market on that.
Can the Canucks just win a Cup within the next 5 years.
The price-tag would be high no doubt, but the Canucks have a few options to consider. Montreal needs help on the right-wing and that’s a position of strength for Vancouver. Brock Boeser would likely be enough in a straight across one for one deal, but I can’t see Benning agreeing to such demands and it likely doesn’t improve Vancouver’s scoring ability.
Jake Virtanen scored more goals than Domi this season, is a lesser player in comparison but has the size and speed that could maybe water the tastebuds of Bergevin. He obviously wouldn’t be enough all on his own, but he’d be a good starting point for trade talks. It would likely take another A-level prospect and a draft pick, or a good second-liner and a B-level up and comer.
Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:11 pm
Trade them Demko to unload a coupla bad contracts in the package?
If you want to lose the Cup yeah do that. haha, but really demko >> ceiling much higher than Marky's at this point.
I gotta agree with SKYO. We have a few bad contracts, and a few good UFA's. Benning will be undoing a lot of great drafting if he starts unloading prospects or picks to get rid of any of our bad contracts. Pickup a back-up. Ride out a tough season (aren't they all tough?), and keep going.
If it was only 1 season I would agree but it is 2 seasons so what SL is the best of all options. He also said we could get back a 2nd and I agree, Demko has really raised his value so why not move him now?
It's because you look at the contenders and the losers and the teams that shine have clutch goaltending and Demko (24yrs) has proven that he has that ability in his very young NHL career, dude has ice in his veins... while Marky has looked shaky a bit in his playoff premiere at 30yrs of age with 3 AHL years and over 8 years of NHL experience while expecting around $6M AAV as a UFA allegedly.
Jim Benning on @TSN1040:
He would like to re-sign Markstrom but adds: “Jacob has earned that right if he needs to test the market if he’s not happy with where we end up.”
Markstrom is a workhorse and I like his goaltending, but with all his experience he didn't exactly shine as a #1 in the playoffs, the Canucks scored a ton of goals to get past the Wild, Blues and took Vegas to 7 games. Marky let in some weak goals, some softies, but if he wants the big bucks and term, team and JB has said he might have to check the market on that.
Yeah no. Markstrom’s overall body of work in the playoffs was very good. He has a much bigger sample size of good - great play than Thatcher. That said I’m not adverse to going with the kid because he will be cheaper and Jacob is starting to get a little bit brittle.
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Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:11 pm
Trade them Demko to unload a coupla bad contracts in the package?
If you want to lose the Cup yeah do that. haha, but really demko >> ceiling much higher than Marky's at this point.
I gotta agree with SKYO. We have a few bad contracts, and a few good UFA's. Benning will be undoing a lot of great drafting if he starts unloading prospects or picks to get rid of any of our bad contracts. Pickup a back-up. Ride out a tough season (aren't they all tough?), and keep going.
If it was only 1 season I would agree but it is 2 seasons so what SL is the best of all options. He also said we could get back a 2nd and I agree, Demko has really raised his value so why not move him now?
It's because you look at the contenders and the losers and the teams that shine have clutch goaltending and Demko (24yrs) has proven that he has that ability in his very young NHL career, dude has ice in his veins... while Marky has looked shaky a bit in his playoff premiere at 30yrs of age with 3 AHL years and over 8 years of NHL experience while expecting around $6M AAV as a UFA allegedly.
Jim Benning on @TSN1040:
He would like to re-sign Markstrom but adds: “Jacob has earned that right if he needs to test the market if he’s not happy with where we end up.”
Markstrom is a workhorse and I like his goaltending, but with all his experience he didn't exactly shine as a #1 in the playoffs, the Canucks scored a ton of goals to get past the Wild, Blues and took Vegas to 7 games. Marky let in some weak goals, some softies, but if he wants the big bucks and term, team and JB has said he might have to check the market on that.
Yeah no. Markstrom’s overall body of work in the playoffs was very good. He has a much bigger sample size of good - great play than Thatcher. That said I’m not adverse to going with the kid because he will be cheaper and Jacob is starting to get a little bit brittle.
Demko also fits the demographics of the team. He's about the same age as the core. His potential is thru the roof. And, from watching the last 3 games, the team seems to believe in him 100%. Having the player's confidence is huge.
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:09 am
All of Pearson, Edler, Sutter and Baertschi come off the books before Hughes and Petey get their haul. That’s $17.3 million. What’s to worry?
It’s a situation where we are going to have to depend on entry level contracts moving forward. Doyle you should be happy, don’t think Benning will be in a rush to trade picks anymore
Add Jordie Benn - 2 MIL
Total: 19.3
Hoglander and Podkolzin will replace Petey and Quinn's current deals
He should attach a 1st to a potential Eriksson deal if he needs to - they should be in "win now" mode which means that first is expendable.
Retain 2 min in a Sutter trade, that gives them an extra $8.35 to get anyone they want signed.
SKYO wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:24 pmMax Domi article by the canuckway:
Max Domi would be a perfect fit with Bo Horvat.
The price-tag would be high no doubt, but the Canucks have a few options to consider. Montreal needs help on the right-wing and that’s a position of strength for Vancouver. Brock Boeser would likely be enough in a straight across one for one deal, but I can’t see Benning agreeing to such demands and it likely doesn’t improve Vancouver’s scoring ability.
Jake Virtanen scored more goals than Domi this season, is a lesser player in comparison but has the size and speed that could maybe water the tastebuds of Bergevin. He obviously wouldn’t be enough all on his own, but he’d be a good starting point for trade talks. It would likely take another A-level prospect and a draft pick, or a good second-liner and a B-level up and comer.
Domi is still under contract at the moment, so, Domi for Sutter, straight up! Montreal gets more size and the experience they so desperately need.
We get a player that needs a contract. Sound fair? I thought so.
If Benning really wants to move on from Jake, then Jake and Roussel for Domi would be the max I'd give.
Domi commands more salary than Jake so they'd have to take Rooster, too.
But I don't think the trade makes the Canucks any better.
No picks, no prospects, nothing else is added to the trade except a bag of used hockey pucks.
Cherry Picker wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:15 pm
If Benning really wants to move on from Jake, then Jake and Roussel for Domi would be the max I'd give.
Domi commands more salary than Jake so they'd have to take Rooster, too.
But I don't think the trade makes the Canucks any better.
No picks, no prospects, nothing else is added to the trade except a bag of used hockey pucks.
I don't think it makes them better either. Nice player but we got #1 and #2 center spots covered nicely. Big time luxury to have Domi as your third center. LOL, you say Rooster, I say Beagle.
Fact is, Domi is in a nice spot for an RFA. We can't afford it. We need to get a pick (a second) for the draft. That'd be good.
Cherry Picker wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:14 am
The window to sign Petey and Hughes is already open. A new contract will start the year after next season. I agree with Dolye. Get that done first. In fact you can probably use the UFA contracts as leverage, something like, "if we can get these contracts signed now and can determine our budget, we have a better chance to offer Tanev a contract."
Not sure I understand that kind of leverage.
I'd like to see Pete and Hughie signed this off-season too, but there's no rush.
I haven't looked at the numbers, but if you sign those 2 and they want to re-sign the 3 big UFAs + all the RFAs
... we could run into tagging issues at some point.
Maybe not, whatever, but either way the priority for me is to clear some cap-space.
