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Sonia Aslam@SoniaSAslam
Bad news on the #COVID19 front in BC. For the first time in months, 85 new cases have been recorded in a 24-hour period. One additional death. Recovery rate declining, now at about 83 per cent. Details on @NEWS1130
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3:44 PM · Aug 12, 2020
What does that mean exactly? Recovery rate 83% does that mean 17% death rate
4000 cases 200 dead is .05%
And also 80+% are in the old age category just like triny López complications from covid due to old age
Yesterday there were over 1700 people self isolating and waiting to see if they develop symptoms after being involved in an exposure.
Weather the storm until the jackasses end their summer vacations, the end of CERB and in mid September things settle down.
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.
I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.
Sonia Aslam@SoniaSAslam
Bad news on the #COVID19 front in BC. For the first time in months, 85 new cases have been recorded in a 24-hour period. One additional death. Recovery rate declining, now at about 83 per cent. Details on @NEWS1130
.https://twitter.com/SoniaSAslam/status/ ... 3599217667
3:44 PM · Aug 12, 2020
What does that mean exactly? Recovery rate 83% does that mean 17% death rate
4000 cases 200 dead is .05%
And also 80+% are in the old age category just like triny López complications from covid due to old age
Yesterday there were over 1700 people self isolating and waiting to see if they develop symptoms after being involved in an exposure.
Weather the storm until the jackasses end their summer vacations, the end of CERB and in mid September things settle down.
You mean when all the snot-nosed kids have returned to school to share indoor air spaces with their entire class with no requirement to wear a mask and no online alternative offered to parents? No thanks.
Recent preprint confirming live virus (not just RNA fragment) in aerosol:
Sonia Aslam@SoniaSAslam
Bad news on the #COVID19 front in BC. For the first time in months, 85 new cases have been recorded in a 24-hour period. One additional death. Recovery rate declining, now at about 83 per cent. Details on @NEWS1130
.https://twitter.com/SoniaSAslam/status/ ... 3599217667
3:44 PM · Aug 12, 2020
What does that mean exactly? Recovery rate 83% does that mean 17% death rate
4000 cases 200 dead is .05%
And also 80+% are in the old age category just like triny López complications from covid due to old age
Yesterday there were over 1700 people self isolating and waiting to see if they develop symptoms after being involved in an exposure.
Weather the storm until the jackasses end their summer vacations, the end of CERB and in mid September things settle down.
You mean when all the snot-nosed kids have returned to school to share indoor air spaces with their entire class with no requirement to wear a mask and no online alternative offered to parents? No thanks.
Recent preprint confirming live virus (not just RNA fragment) in aerosol:
I happy to send my kid to school. As many noted, the evidence of aerosol transmission doesn't stand up as a major factor. Note where the virus was found with covid patient, yet a second room with a covid patient did not detect anything.
Sonia Aslam@SoniaSAslam
Bad news on the #COVID19 front in BC. For the first time in months, 85 new cases have been recorded in a 24-hour period. One additional death. Recovery rate declining, now at about 83 per cent. Details on @NEWS1130
.https://twitter.com/SoniaSAslam/status/ ... 3599217667
3:44 PM · Aug 12, 2020
What does that mean exactly? Recovery rate 83% does that mean 17% death rate
4000 cases 200 dead is .05%
And also 80+% are in the old age category just like triny López complications from covid due to old age
Yesterday there were over 1700 people self isolating and waiting to see if they develop symptoms after being involved in an exposure.
Weather the storm until the jackasses end their summer vacations, the end of CERB and in mid September things settle down.
You mean when all the snot-nosed kids have returned to school to share indoor air spaces with their entire class with no requirement to wear a mask and no online alternative offered to parents? No thanks.
Recent preprint confirming live virus (not just RNA fragment) in aerosol:
I happy to send my kid to school. As many noted, the evidence of aerosol transmission doesn't stand up as a major factor. Note where the virus was found with covid patient, yet a second room with a covid patient did not detect anything.
True, there's not yet been enough study on aerosols, but still, sharing an indoor environment for hours every day without masks or other barriers is probably on the risky end of the scale. As any parent knows, kids are always bringing home sicknesses, infecting their siblings and parents. It doesn't help when both parents work and will drop off a visibly sick kid at school. My wife witnessed one kid barfing their breakfast in the playground yet still attended for the day. Teachers have to deal with this shit all the time.
Minor hockey is a different matter for us as the rink is a large space. We are signed up and are awaiting the rules for the upcoming season. I expect kids will need to dress/undress at home and parents expected to social distance in the stands, possibly with masks. In our organisation it will be practice-only with games starting in January. Rep tryouts are not being held at the present time; I'm guessing they'll happen in December.
I forget, is your kid still in minor hockey, or has he moved on to other sports?
Kid was never in hockey, every road game would require winter mountain pass travel and fuck that. He bicycle races. A few BC tracks are running races in 50 person blocks. Once one block is finished, they must leave and the next can arrive. That 50 includes riders, parents, organizers and volunteers. Other tracks are only running a weekly practice night with the same conditions. Still a few tracks have chosen to forego their season. Until this year he was on a Spokane based team and we were there 3 evenings a week.
I know one Okanogan family who's kids have already started hockey practices. Yes, in their gear at home. Practices only with lots of distancing on ice. No benches.
I think the 60 person pod plan for schools is well thought out. My kid had 20 in his class last year. Once teachers clear their rooms of the bookcases of toys, because they are high touch items, and organize desks in rows making kids stay at their desks, maybe some good old fashioned learning can occur. The current system of shelves full of toys filling a 3rd of the room and students huddled 4 to a small round table is a recipe for distraction and mayhem. No wonder kids have no focus.
Even without a pandemic, I recall lining up outside and having the teacher escort us to our classrooms after the morning, recess and lunch bells.
Kids are resilient, they will manage and it is time for teachers to prove what they have been saying about themselves during every contract negotiation. Are the up for being innovative when it comes to teaching? Are the professionals?
If aerosol transmission was a concern, our stores and factories would have been a nightmare of transmission from the start.
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.
I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.
Sweden only closed high schools and colleges, or rather, made those switch to on line teaching.
Schools up to grade 9 have been up and running, with no fatalities among staff or students.
Also, teachers have not had higher infection rates than people in other vocations. I think hospital staff, especially nurses and doctors, is the only group to stand out.
Sweden has only had 57 people under the age of 50 die from covid, and no one under 20.
Two thirds of those 57 had other under lying diseases.
The kids will be fine.
Whatever you do, always give 100 %!
Except when donating blood.
Per wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:40 pm
Sweden only closed high schools and colleges, or rather, made those switch to on line teaching.
Schools up to grade 9 have been up and running, with no fatalities among staff or students.
Also, teachers have not had higher infection rates than people in other vocations. I think hospital staff, especially nurses and doctors, is the only group to stand out.
Sweden has only had 57 people under the age of 50 die from covid, and no one under 20.
Two thirds of those 57 had other under lying diseases.
The kids will be fine.
BC is 2 fatalities under the age of 50.
Our current growth in cases is fuelled by young adults partying whereas it used to be the aged in care homes and the young to middle age adult care providers.
While the official goals have remained to limit the spread and not overwhelm the healthcare system, the populist goal is the unachievable elimination of the virus from our society. It comes out of the media and swirls through the population who have limited science background or understanding. It is manifested in a populist move to make masks mandatory.
People watching the news from south of the border and extrapolating that mess to Canada is also a large contributing factor.
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.
I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.
Topper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:55 am
I think the 60 person pod plan for schools is well thought out. My kid had 20 in his class last year. Once teachers clear their rooms of the bookcases of toys, because they are high touch items, and organize desks in rows making kids stay at their desks, maybe some good old fashioned learning can occur. The current system of shelves full of toys filling a 3rd of the room and students huddled 4 to a small round table is a recipe for distraction and mayhem. No wonder kids have no focus.
Couldn't agree more. My kid had to get his grade 12 and beyond privately after provincial schooling. The groups of four or more at a table is
not as effective as single file desks. Many kids use to get the majority or all of their work done in class. Good on ya, no homework.
Now teachers hand out homework at the end of the day in every different class.
Wonder how much homework the parents have a hand in finishing.
In my kids' school the play centres and open carpet space disappear after Kindergarden. In grade 1 desk groupings do exist so that will have to change. Thereafter, though, there's not much space to be freed up. My Grade 4 had 27 kids in his 4/5 split. Some higher grades are in portables where desks have to be paired because it's the only way they can fit. Then there are the after-school clubs that are essentially daycares for working parents. Are they able to preserve the groupings of 60 established by the schools? There are also many teachers whose children attend other schools.
Are you not a believer in masks? What's your educated guess on the most common transmission vector?
The ideas on transmission have changed very little the past several months. Close personal contact, indoors and being face to face appear to assist transmission while in close contact.
Masks are only really useful in those places of close personal contact.
It is about risk management and it can easily be managed. Maintain hygiene, distance and limit the number of people you are in contact with. I've been writing the covid protocols for our job sites. There is nothing over the top in them and little additional from what people are expected to do outside of work.
The virus is here, it is not going away, it will move through the community. Lets be smart and reduce the rate it transmits so we don't overwhelm the healthcare system. The troubling news the past few days is the increase in health care centres where it is again showing up.
I'm a rural hermit to begin with but we've been cautious about the numbers of people we gather with. Wife works in long term care, she takes it to work, people die. I still do my town runs as usual, take my kid to the track for practices, wife still takes him to the river and lake, he still gets on his bike and rides around town and stops for an ice cream. We're carrying on fairly normal
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.
I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.
Speaking to reporters on Monday, Rob Fleming said there are going to be some places where masks are ‘”mandatory” at schools and the province is currently working with school districts to access enough personal protective equipment.
“Government is providing masks to all staff, student and teachers in the school system. That is part of our resource package to start the year,” Fleming said.
“Masks are going to play a significant role come September. We are looking at the approach the different provinces are taking.”
Speaking to reporters on Monday, Rob Fleming said there are going to be some places where masks are ‘”mandatory” at schools and the province is currently working with school districts to access enough personal protective equipment.
“Government is providing masks to all staff, student and teachers in the school system. That is part of our resource package to start the year,” Fleming said.
“Masks are going to play a significant role come September. We are looking at the approach the different provinces are taking.”
They said that from the start, pinch points for trafiic area in the schools, crowded buses....
The government has been very good about setting guidelines and then allowing each site, public or privately run, adopt those guidelines to individual settings.
Much preferred over the top down mandates of "you must do this this way, don't do it that way" we see in other jurisdictions. Let people be creative, give them ownership of the rules they put in place. No need for dictatorships.
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.
I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.
Speaking to reporters on Monday, Rob Fleming said there are going to be some places where masks are ‘”mandatory” at schools and the province is currently working with school districts to access enough personal protective equipment.
“Government is providing masks to all staff, student and teachers in the school system. That is part of our resource package to start the year,” Fleming said.
“Masks are going to play a significant role come September. We are looking at the approach the different provinces are taking.”
They said that from the start, pinch points for trafiic area in the schools, crowded buses....
The government has been very good about setting guidelines and then allowing each site, public or privately run, adopt those guidelines to individual settings.
Much preferred over the top down mandates of "you must do this this way, don't do it that way" we see in other jurisdictions. Let people be creative, give them ownership of the rules they put in place. No need for dictatorships.
At the same time come down hard on businesses that really go outside the box like the nightclubs. Walk in and close them down for 6 months without any warning. They know what they are doing and are should pay for it.
84 new cases in BC after a few days of 70+, not sure what they are related to but a few parties and clubs seems to the event that cause the positives.
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