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Megaterio Llamas wrote: Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:02 am
As far as the Kurds, they were always going to be abandoned, no matter the US administration. The Kurds have served as the handy henchmen for competing powers in the region for the past 500 years from the Battle of Chaldiran to the Ottoman Christian Genocide and they are always abandoned, albeit with an expended land base and anything they could plunder from their neighbors. That is simply the history of the Kurds. And as far as their claims in Syria, they are completely without merit. The Kurds came to Syria as refugees less than 100 years ago and now they are claiming lands that do not historically belong to them. They have treacherously turned on the country that gave them shelter as refugees and have thrown in with their enemies in their time of greatest vulnerability. It is despicable, and surely will never be forgotten by Syrians.
Uhm.... are you getting your Kurd facts from Erdogan? :roll:
But of course, Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq all of course would say that the Kurdish claims are without merit.

There are some 30-45 million Kurds, depending on who is counting. They are the largest ethnic group lacking a nation of their own. They have a distinct culture, history and language. Kurdish is an Indoeuropean language, related to but distinct from Farsi (or Persian). There is mentioning of a people called Karda inhabiting the area surrounding Lake Van in Mesopotamian clay tablets dating back to 3000 BC. Whether these "Karda" are the same people as the modern Kurds is disputed, but Lake Van is situated right in the heartland of Kurdistan.

So, of course, Kurdistan is not recognised as a country, and not outlined in official maps, but here is a look at where the Kurds were the majority population in 1922, basically right after WW1 and the breakup of the Ottoman Empire:

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As you can see the area spans part of Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria. In all four countries the Kurds have been oppressed and considered second class citizens. Turkey has long even denied the existence of Kurds and has prohibited the use of the Kurdish language. It was only as they started negotiating with the EU for possible future membership that they grudgingly agreed to decriminalize the publishing of Kurdish books and newspapers and allowed for some use of the Kurdish language in local schools in Turkish Kurdistan. It's hard to say which country has treated them worst. That has varied over time, as governments come and go, and thus meant that Kurds occassionally hop the border from one of the four countries to another. This is probably what is referred to when Syrians talk about Kurdish new arrivals. Kurds as a group has been there for millennia, but Turkish Kurds, and more specifically members of the PKK (The Workers' Party of Kurdistan) have allegedly used northern Syria as a base for carrying out attacks on Turkish military.

Your idea of an expanded land base is without merit, as the Kurds have not really had any sort of independence since the days of the Ayyubids (1171-1341), a dinasty founded by Saladin (yes, he was a Kurd) and covered the green area in the map below:

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After they were crushed by the Mongols, the Kurdish area was later split between the Ottoman empire and the Persians, with borders moving back and forth over the years. Then with the breakup of the Ottoman empire, the parts of Kurdistan that were not in Persia/Iran got split between Irag, Turkey and Syria, and has remained like that since. There was talk of creating a Kurdistan after WW1, but it fell through.

Now, in recent history, the Kurds in Iraq have managed a sort of semi-independence or autonomy in northern Iraq. They have their own local authorities, police, and even some sort of national guard. They do still remain part of Iraq though. The Kurds in Syria tried to opt for something similar when the civil war started there. The Syrian war started with protests against rising prices on food (some say caused by climate change related droughts) that then became even more anti-Assad after he ordered the military to fire on the protesters, killing hundreds of young civilians.
Once the war had started, Isis, that was created in Iraq as a result of the Iraq war, moved in. As they attacked the Kurds, and especially the Yazidi, who are a group of Kurds that are not Muslim (most are), the Kurds started to fight them and as they liberated more and more territory from Isis, they also saw the part of Syria under Kurdish control grow.

Well, it's a mess really, because originally the uprising in Syria was about getting rid of Assad and holding free elections, but the group that wanted that were mostly civilians and had little access to weapons, so they were easy prey for the Assad regime. But as that was going on, different jihadist groups including Isis, al Qaida and al Nusra attacked from the South and East while the Kurds in the Northeast corner and Turkmens in the Northwest tried to upper their hand to gain autonomy or independence. Assad's troop was fighting everybody and started to crumble.

Now, Assad is an Alawite, which is basically a splinter sect of Shia Islam. Like other Shia Muslims they believe Ali ibn Abi Talib was the rightful successor to Muhammad, rather than Abu Bakr, who was named caliph by a group of Muslims at Saqifah and is considered the rightful successor by the Sunni Muslims (kind of like the original church in Jerusalem, lead by Jesus's brother James had survived and continued to compete with Paul's more romanisized version of Christianity...). But unlike other Shia they drink wine, that they see as Ali's transubstantiated essence, in their rituals. Also, at the core of Alawite belief is a divine triad, comprising three aspects of the one God. So clearly some sort of Christian influence, one would assume. Alawites also drink wine socially, unlike other Muslims who are supposed to abstain completely from alcohol. Thus, if you ever consider convering to Islam, Alawite is clearly the way to go. :drink:

But I digress.

Even though the Alawites have those odd wine drinking and divine trinity quirks, the Iranians felt worried that the power balance between Sunni and Shia was about to shift and started pouring in support, mainly through their Lebanese based Hezbollah middlemen. Simultanously Putin worried about Russia's only true ally in the Middle East being swept away, so he sent in Russian aircraft as well.

At the same time Isis started attacking Kurdish civilians, so the Kurds shifted their focus from fighting Assad to fighting Isis. This turned out to be a great move, because suddenly they were the toast of everyone and money, intelligence and weapons started pouring in from Europe and the USA. The Kurds did a great job, being used to guerrilla warfare and the mountainous terrain, and they were also fighting for their lives.
Meanwhile all these changes took some pressure off Assad who could start taking back lost territory. So we then arrive at that final situation when Isis is hanging by a thread, all other jihadists have been pushed back and the two main forces left are the Kurds, backed by the USA (and to some extent the EU) and Assad, backed by Russia and Iran. At that point Trump decides to forfeit and let Putin have it. He tells Erdogan that he is fine with him attacking Kurdish bases in Syria. The Kurds are flabbergasted. The US military is in shock. They have trained the Kurdish militia, they have fought alongside them, and now they are to hand them over to their arch enemy. The EU is aghast. Why didn't anyone consult with us?

Turkish troops start pouring in, so the Kurds swallow the bitter pill and grasp for a last straw. They contact Assad and allow his troops free passage. They lay down their arms in the fight against Assad in exchange for him sending troops into their territory to stop the Turks.

The Assad regime and the Russians also grasp this opportunity to bomb the Turkmens in the Northwest corner, who are backed by Turkey and allied with the Sunni jihadists in the south. And that's what they been doing since. That is another humanitarian disaster. They even bomb schools and hospitals. I tell you Assad is evil. If Trump had just been willing to back the Kurds a little longer, this could have had a different outcome.

There were peace talks about to start, and the idea was that there were great chances that Assad stepping down and free elections being held could be the end result, which would have been exactly what the peaceful protests that preceded the war was all about. The Kurds were hoping that their efforts in crushing Isis would be rewarded with some level of autonomy and increasing chances of a future Kurdistan.

But no. Trump spoke to Erdogan on the phone and decided to go against all of his advisors and not even consult with any of his allies.


The man is dangerous. He is a loose cannon, and there is no telling what damage he will do next.

In the end Erdogan didn't win all that much, as he wasn't willing to start an all out war with Syria, and thus had to back down when Assad's troops arrived. The true winners are Assad, Russia and Iran.

The losers were everyone who believe in democracy, but above all the Kurds.
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As for the link between Kurds and Antifa... :roll:

There are between 30 and 45 million Kurds, spread mainly over four countries, but also with a large diaspora community, mainly in Germany (roughly 1.5 million), but throughout Europe and even some 15,000 in Canada and 20,000 in the USA.

They have as many political affiliations as any other country of 40 million people!

Some are fascist, some are anarchist, and most of them are somewhere in between.

Now, the female peshmerga soldiers fighting off Isis is of course very romantic, empowering and provocative, and since many Kurds are experts at guerilla warfare while surrounded by enemies and severly cash-strapped, it should come as no surprise if European and North American upper middle class intellectual twenty-somethings could find some Kurdish guerilla leader willing to arrange some sort of seminar/boot camp.

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Per wrote: Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:27 am Actually, I should probably just yield the floor to Nate White, who wrote this reponse to the question
Why don't British people like Donald Trump?:
A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain, we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a sniveling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us and most are.

* You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

‘My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.”
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:45 am A “fat white slug” lmao

Nailed it :lol:
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What a mess. Just needs a helmet and a bib :lol:

I wonder if that’s bleach he’s drinking
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Per wrote: Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:09 am
Megaterio Llamas wrote: Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:02 am
As far as the Kurds, they were always going to be abandoned, no matter the US administration. The Kurds have served as the handy henchmen for competing powers in the region for the past 500 years from the Battle of Chaldiran to the Ottoman Christian Genocide and they are always abandoned, albeit with an expended land base and anything they could plunder from their neighbors. That is simply the history of the Kurds. And as far as their claims in Syria, they are completely without merit. The Kurds came to Syria as refugees less than 100 years ago and now they are claiming lands that do not historically belong to them. They have treacherously turned on the country that gave them shelter as refugees and have thrown in with their enemies in their time of greatest vulnerability. It is despicable, and surely will never be forgotten by Syrians.
Uhm.... are you getting your Kurd facts from Erdogan? :roll:
But of course, Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq all of course would say that the Kurdish claims are without merit.

There are some 30-45 million Kurds, depending on who is counting. They are the largest ethnic group lacking a nation of their own. They have a distinct culture, history and language. Kurdish is an Indoeuropean language, related to but distinct from Farsi (or Persian). There is mentioning of a people called Karda inhabiting the area surrounding Lake Van in Mesopotamian clay tablets dating back to 3000 BC. Whether these "Karda" are the same people as the modern Kurds is disputed, but Lake Van is situated right in the heartland of Kurdistan.

So, of course, Kurdistan is not recognised as a country, and not outlined in official maps, but here is a look at where the Kurds were the majority population in 1922, basically right after WW1 and the breakup of the Ottoman Empire:

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As you can see the area spans part of Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria. In all four countries the Kurds have been oppressed and considered second class citizens. Turkey has long even denied the existence of Kurds and has prohibited the use of the Kurdish language. It was only as they started negotiating with the EU for possible future membership that they grudgingly agreed to decriminalize the publishing of Kurdish books and newspapers and allowed for some use of the Kurdish language in local schools in Turkish Kurdistan. It's hard to say which country has treated them worst. That has varied over time, as governments come and go, and thus meant that Kurds occassionally hop the border from one of the four countries to another. This is probably what is referred to when Syrians talk about Kurdish new arrivals. Kurds as a group has been there for millennia, but Turkish Kurds, and more specifically members of the PKK (The Workers' Party of Kurdistan) have allegedly used northern Syria as a base for carrying out attacks on Turkish military.

Your idea of an expanded land base is without merit, as the Kurds have not really had any sort of independence since the days of the Ayyubids (1171-1341), a dinasty founded by Saladin (yes, he was a Kurd) and covered the green area in the map below:

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After they were crushed by the Mongols, the Kurdish area was later split between the Ottoman empire and the Persians, with borders moving back and forth over the years. Then with the breakup of the Ottoman empire, the parts of Kurdistan that were not in Persia/Iran got split between Irag, Turkey and Syria, and has remained like that since. There was talk of creating a Kurdistan after WW1, but it fell through.

Now, in recent history, the Kurds in Iraq have managed a sort of semi-independence or autonomy in northern Iraq. They have their own local authorities, police, and even some sort of national guard. They do still remain part of Iraq though. The Kurds in Syria tried to opt for something similar when the civil war started there. The Syrian war started with protests against rising prices on food (some say caused by climate change related droughts) that then became even more anti-Assad after he ordered the military to fire on the protesters, killing hundreds of young civilians.
Once the war had started, Isis, that was created in Iraq as a result of the Iraq war, moved in. As they attacked the Kurds, and especially the Yazidi, who are a group of Kurds that are not Muslim (most are), the Kurds started to fight them and as they liberated more and more territory from Isis, they also saw the part of Syria under Kurdish control grow.

Well, it's a mess really, because originally the uprising in Syria was about getting rid of Assad and holding free elections, but the group that wanted that were mostly civilians and had little access to weapons, so they were easy prey for the Assad regime. But as that was going on, different jihadist groups including Isis, al Qaida and al Nusra attacked from the South and East while the Kurds in the Northeast corner and Turkmens in the Northwest tried to upper their hand to gain autonomy or independence. Assad's troop was fighting everybody and started to crumble.

Now, Assad is an Alawite, which is basically a splinter sect of Shia Islam. Like other Shia Muslims they believe Ali ibn Abi Talib was the rightful successor to Muhammad, rather than Abu Bakr, who was named caliph by a group of Muslims at Saqifah and is considered the rightful successor by the Sunni Muslims (kind of like the original church in Jerusalem, lead by Jesus's brother James had survived and continued to compete with Paul's more romanisized version of Christianity...). But unlike other Shia they drink wine, that they see as Ali's transubstantiated essence, in their rituals. Also, at the core of Alawite belief is a divine triad, comprising three aspects of the one God. So clearly some sort of Christian influence, one would assume. Alawites also drink wine socially, unlike other Muslims who are supposed to abstain completely from alcohol. Thus, if you ever consider convering to Islam, Alawite is clearly the way to go. :drink:

But I digress.

Even though the Alawites have those odd wine drinking and divine trinity quirks, the Iranians felt worried that the power balance between Sunni and Shia was about to shift and started pouring in support, mainly through their Lebanese based Hezbollah middlemen. Simultanously Putin worried about Russia's only true ally in the Middle East being swept away, so he sent in Russian aircraft as well.

At the same time Isis started attacking Kurdish civilians, so the Kurds shifted their focus from fighting Assad to fighting Isis. This turned out to be a great move, because suddenly they were the toast of everyone and money, intelligence and weapons started pouring in from Europe and the USA. The Kurds did a great job, being used to guerrilla warfare and the mountainous terrain, and they were also fighting for their lives.
Meanwhile all these changes took some pressure off Assad who could start taking back lost territory. So we then arrive at that final situation when Isis is hanging by a thread, all other jihadists have been pushed back and the two main forces left are the Kurds, backed by the USA (and to some extent the EU) and Assad, backed by Russia and Iran. At that point Trump decides to forfeit and let Putin have it. He tells Erdogan that he is fine with him attacking Kurdish bases in Syria. The Kurds are flabbergasted. The US military is in shock. They have trained the Kurdish militia, they have fought alongside them, and now they are to hand them over to their arch enemy. The EU is aghast. Why didn't anyone consult with us?

Turkish troops start pouring in, so the Kurds swallow the bitter pill and grasp for a last straw. They contact Assad and allow his troops free passage. They lay down their arms in the fight against Assad in exchange for him sending troops into their territory to stop the Turks.

The Assad regime and the Russians also grasp this opportunity to bomb the Turkmens in the Northwest corner, who are backed by Turkey and allied with the Sunni jihadists in the south. And that's what they been doing since. That is another humanitarian disaster. They even bomb schools and hospitals. I tell you Assad is evil. If Trump had just been willing to back the Kurds a little longer, this could have had a different outcome.

There were peace talks about to start, and the idea was that there were great chances that Assad stepping down and free elections being held could be the end result, which would have been exactly what the peaceful protests that preceded the war was all about. The Kurds were hoping that their efforts in crushing Isis would be rewarded with some level of autonomy and increasing chances of a future Kurdistan.

But no. Trump spoke to Erdogan on the phone and decided to go against all of his advisors and not even consult with any of his allies.


The man is dangerous. He is a loose cannon, and there is no telling what damage he will do next.

In the end Erdogan didn't win all that much, as he wasn't willing to start an all out war with Syria, and thus had to back down when Assad's troops arrived. The true winners are Assad, Russia and Iran.

The losers were everyone who believe in democracy, but above all the Kurds.
The Kurds have lived in a mountainous area mainly in Iran but extending into Eastern Turkey. They have indeed lived in these mountains since ancient times, even giving Alexander The Great hell when he crossed the territory the Kingdom of Courdene. After Tamerlane decimated the neighboring Christian areas the local Muslim emirs began to invite the Kurds to come down from the mountains and settle in the depopulated Christian areas. Western war propagandists have lately been caught Kurdifying the Assyrian Christian history in the area which can be easily disproved by reading the actual history of the peoples of the region, which I have done.

They were first formally granted land in Mesopotamia in the aftermath of the Battle of Chaldiran when they helped the Ottoman's take control of Eastern Mespotamia. This them a fairly earlier (but not an ancient) start in Iraq. But not in Syria. The Kurds, according to Syrian sources had no presence whatsoever in Syria and do have fun trying to convince Syrians they should grant autonomy to a refugee population. This angers Syrians to no end.

Isn't Assad's Alawi sect descended from the hashshashins? Or is that the Druze?

The Old Man Of The Mountain:




*turns out the Ismailis are the descendants - I would never have guessed it :)
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Kind of along read from Sarah Abed. A three parter. Enjoy :wink:
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"They have a distinct culture, history and language"

Where have you read of this history. As far as I know the Kurds have no written history. But I stand to be enlightened, I would enjoy reading it.
Kurdish is an Indoeuropean language, related to but distinct from Farsi (or Persian)
There are two languages, Kurmanji and Sorani. The two groups have not historically considered themselves to be related, never mind 'Kurds.'
There is mentioning of a people called Karda inhabiting the area surrounding Lake Van in Mesopotamian clay tablets dating back to 3000 BC. Whether these "Karda" are the same people as the modern Kurds is disputed, but Lake Van is situated right in the heartland of Kurdistan.
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I think these were probably the ancestors of the modern Kurds. Syriac and Armenian sources speak of nomads living in the Zagros Mts called Qardu and Qoords. The Nestorian East Syriac Christians called the Mountain region between Western Armenia and Assyria Beth Qardu in the early first millennium.
There is mentioning of a people called Karda inhabiting the area surrounding Lake Van in Mesopotamian clay tablets dating back to 3000 BC. Whether these "Karda" are the same people as the modern Kurds is disputed, but Lake Van is situated right in the heartland of Kurdistan.
Of course 1922 would just after Kurdish irregulars slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Armenian and Assyrian Christians and literally moved into there houses and villages and onto their farms. The bodies would barely have been cold in 1922.

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They continue to use the churches to house their livestock in today. They are beginning to acknowledge their crimes today by the way, which is more that can be said for some of their Western apologists. This explains the remarkable increase in the Kurdish presence in the area. The growth through the years at the expense of the neighbors has been astounding.
s you can see the area spans part of Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria. In all four countries the Kurds have been oppressed and considered second class citizens. Turkey has long even denied the existence of Kurds and has prohibited the use of the Kurdish language.
This ia a modern day map of course. AsI have explained re Syria, the Kurds have less than 100 years of settlement in the country of Syria, where they came as refugees in the twentieth century. The Kurds of Syria are Turkish natives.
Your idea of an expanded land base is without merit, as the Kurds have not really had any sort of independence since the days of the Ayyubids (1171-1341), a dinasty founded by Saladin (yes, he was a Kurd) and covered the green area in the map below:
This is false. The Kurds were still nomads in this period. Saladin was born in the Iraqi city of Tikrit which was then the eastern headquarters of the Syrian Orthodox Church. This was to change with the coming of Tamerlane where he infamously constructed a giant pyramid with the skulls of the Christians. This explains why Tikitris of today like Saddam Hussein are Sunni Muslims.

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As for Saladin, his family was from the northern mountain Kurdish homeland in what was then considered part of Western Armenia.
Now, in recent history, the Kurds in Iraq have managed a sort of semi-independence or autonomy in northern Iraq. They have their own local authorities, police, and even some sort of national guard. They do still remain part of Iraq though. The Kurds in Syria tried to opt for something similar when the civil war started there
This is a direct result of US interference in Iraq culminating with Operation Iraqi freedom. I have already pointed out how the Kurds tend to benefit from the incursions of foreign empires in the region.
The Syrian war started with protests against rising prices on food (some say caused by climate change related droughts) that then became even more anti-Assad after he ordered the military to fire on the protesters, killing hundreds of young civilians.
The Syrian war was a CIA backed color revolution of the Arab Spring variety. 95% of it's participants were non Syrian.

And just look at the result today. Appalling.
Once the war had started, Isis, that was created in Iraq as a result of the Iraq war, moved in.
ISIS is comprised of foreign fighters mostly fro the mental hospitals of the Caucasus and Western Europe. Virtually no Iraqis or Syrians belong. The Syrian and Iraqi rebels belong to Jabhat al-Nusra and it's offshoots. The other group would be the Uighur and Turkmen pan Turanist jihadis currently active in both Syria and Libya back by Turkey.
Well, it's a mess really, because originally the uprising in Syria was about getting rid of Assad and holding free elections, but the group that wanted that were mostly civilians and had little access to weapons, so they were easy prey for the Assad regime.
Nope. The original plan was to depose Assad in favor a a puppet that would do the bidding of the US and Israel and allow the Saudi/Turkish pipeline project to be built.

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Sorry for all the typos but, sometime you get what you get...

Ironically the lands in the Syrian Jazeera that the Kurds are currently laying claim to were settled by Assyrian and Armenian Christians after the WW! genocide where they were invited by the Syrian government to build towns like Qamishly. Much of the killing in the great genocide was done by Kurdish irregulars, the same Kurds now trying to ethnically cleanse them and claim their communities once again, having been invited to Syria as refugees themselves after the Christians had first settled in the area in the early 1920s.
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20

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What was it that "set them arabs off" again?

He was the voice of the dude who tried to sell chong the watch...."no thanks man I'm not into time"

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20

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The Brown Wizard wrote: Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:50 pm What was it that "set them arabs off" again?

He was the voice of the dude who tried to sell chong the watch...."no thanks man I'm not into time"

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20

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