NHL business

[Madcombinepilot]

Flippers

Surprise!! Surprise!! Surprise!!

Remember that episode when Mr Pyle (USMC) befriends a dolphin in basic training?!? Golly, that was funny!!

[Madcombinepilot]

Seattle Starfish.

Solid double meaning there!!!

I like it!!

[Megaterio Llamas]

Carcillo spearheads class action lawsuit against CHL, member teams

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors ... ber-teams/

[SKYO]

JP Barry says one compliance buy-out is being discussed as part of a new CBA.

--

JP Barry on his confidence around an NHL restart, compliance buyouts and more.

https://post.futurimedia.com/ckstam/pla ... 697.306397

Yes for the compliance buy-out.

[Mickey107]

JP Barry says one compliance buy-out is being discussed as part of a new CBA.

--

JP Barry on his confidence around an NHL restart, compliance buyouts and more.

https://post.futurimedia.com/ckstam/pla ... 697.306397

Yes for the compliance buy-out.

Five minutes, forty seconds / unless you want to hear about Eriksson. That's is what leads in to the CBO chat.

[Strangelove]

JP Barry says one compliance buy-out is being discussed as part of a new CBA.

--

JP Barry on his confidence around an NHL restart, compliance buyouts and more.

https://post.futurimedia.com/ckstam/pla ... 697.306397

Yes for the compliance buy-out.

Well EVERYTHING is being discussed, but JP says in that interview he can't see compliance buyouts happening so yeah...

[Blob Mckenzie]

Carcillo spearheads class action lawsuit against CHL, member teams

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors ... ber-teams/

That’s pretty fucked up. I know a couple guys who played in the Dub years ago. They have never mentioned anything like that happening... they did say there was some crazy shit, teabagging, humiliation, dressing in drag and some shaving etc. Never that kind of shit.

Weird to see Car Bomb at the front of so many of these charges to right the ship. Guy was a loose cannon and played the game with very little respect for his opponents.

[2Fingers]

Looking at how COVID19 will impact our lives and the NHL for the next 12 to 24 months I am predicting some significant changes occurring in the NHL over this time.

As COVID19 has wreaked havoc on cap I believe the NHL and NHLPA will agree to amend the current agreement to give each team 2 buy outs. This allows teams to sign their rising stars. With the Cap staying the same or even going down many team are going to run into problems and they cannot use what they thought would be extra cap space to sign younger guys.

The NHLPA will agree to this as the players getting bought out are still paid their full amount and they can then sign another contract. The other option of course is a player sign a 2-3 year deal at a lower cap hit and hope that things are better in 3 years.

The other item is next season. I do not see how they can fit 82 games into a season playing under COVID19. Even without fans you have to clean and disinfect locker rooms after each game, this may also require rooms to be empty for 24 hours or longer which is how hotels have to operate. There will be no back to back games in the same city. I predict a 48 to 60ish schedule next year, same for the junior leagues. Also do not expect to see teams from the east coast coming here under a reduced schedule.

Another option, and this may be how they go, is play all the games in 3 – 4 hub cities. The amount of cleaning would still have to be the same so these hub cities would need multiple rinks to accommodate cleaning and disinfecting the facilities.

[Strangelove]

Looking at how COVID19 will impact our lives and the NHL for the next 12 to 24 months I am predicting some significant changes occurring in the NHL over this time.

As COVID19 has wreaked havoc on cap I believe the NHL and NHLPA will agree to amend the current agreement to give each team 2 buy outs. This allows teams to sign their rising stars. With the Cap staying the same or even going down many team are going to run into problems and they cannot use what they thought would be extra cap space to sign younger guys.

The NHLPA will agree to this as the players getting bought out are still paid their full amount and they can then sign another contract.

Regarding COVID, I believe the 2nd wave will be much less severe

... and I believe Dr Fauci is correct that there will be a vaccine available by the end of this year.

(for these reasons I also believe there will be an 82-game season next year)

(especially if the proposed playins/playoffs are cancelled - which would not surprise me)

Regarding compliance buyouts, perhaps you missed my earlier postings on this:

IF there's at least 1 CBO...

I now believe that won't happen.

I don't think a compliance buy-out will happen either.

But I do think a Covid buy-out will likely happen.

In all seriousness I think it still happens. Enough teams were going to be strapped close to the cap with players to re-sign, not just the Canucks. Most, if not all, GM's build their roster's cap structure with an eye on the future that assumes the salary cap will continue to increase as profits increase.

This is an unforeseen circumstance and too many good players are free agents this summer who won't be getting paid as expected. I can see the owners, GM's, and PA, all pushing for this.

I'm with Mëds - I think the players will look at the massive boost in HRR coming in 21/22 (Seattle expansion fee plus another sold-out arena for at least the first year), and they opt to jack up escrow to smooth the curve, rather than a steep decline in 20/21, maybe another in 21/22 if next season is also shortened, then an enormous jump the following season. That would screw with two years' worth of FAs, to the enormous benefit of FAs in 22/23.

I'm not sure if you guys understand this fact:

The NHL and NHLPA can negotiate any salary cap number they want.

(regardless of if P/Os are canceled and $1B in revenue is lost)

And from how I understand it, it is in the best interests of both to go with a flat cap if that revenue is lost.

And the extra injection of owner's money going to players through buy outs

WHOA NELLY! That's not just the owner's money Bucko, that is also the player's money!

CBOs directly affect HRR, meaning every CBO hits the players in the pocketbooks.

The last round of CBO's cost the players over 3% of their salaries.

(note: last time CBOs could not be avoided, this time they can be avoided)

, with I'm sure a majority of owners in favor of, means CoBOs will happen if the cap drops.

Again, the NHL and NHLPA can negotiate any salary cap number they want.

(you make it sound as though a cap drop is out of their control)

Secondly, if the cap WERE to drop, what makes you so "sure a majority of owners would be in favor of CBOs"?

CBOs help the very rich teams and those in a massive cap crunch... that's not "the majority of teams".

But as I said, there is no need to let the cap drop, so this is mute as far as I'm concerned.

The NHL is a business, the owners want to make money, they aren't going to sabotage themselves just to appease the accountants.

I think I've already answered this question in my post... unless I'm missing something?

Anyway, if "owners like to make money" they will say 'no' to CBOs.

Likewise, if the players like money, they will say 'no' to CBOs.

If the season/POs are canceled, the players will already be in a position where they have to pay back the owners

... they're definitely not going to want to add to that pain with CBOs.

As I've mentioned a few times, if P/Os are canceled, there won't be enough in escrow to reimburse the owners.

(players are effectively paid playoff revenues in advance of the playoffs)

So what would happen is they would get a smaller percentage of the pie the next season to make up for it.

(instead of their usual 50% of the pie, maybe they only get something like 45%?)

(this is in the CBA, although the two sides could agree to spread that payback over 2 or 3 seasons)

Yeahno, a flat cap makes the most sense for both sides, which is why you see that rumoured everywhere...

https://twitter.com/SBekovic/status/1255904047141396485

Slavko Bekovic
@SBekovic

In the latest 31 Thoughts Podcast, Elliotte Friedman says #NHL owners are "dead-set against compliance buyouts."

9:57 AM · Apr 30, 2020

Owners don't want CBOs, players don't want CBOs, just the fans want CBOs.

[Meds]

Regarding COVID, I believe the 2nd wave will be much less severe

... and I believe Dr Fauci is correct that there will be a vaccine available by the end of this year.

According to the medical director of the company I work for we should expect to see revolving phases of locking down and reopening over the next 1 to 3 years until a vaccine is developed.....this was as of this morning.

I'm not exactly holding out a ton of hope for this thing to go away quickly. I'll be pretty surprised if we see NHL playoffs this summer.

[Strangelove]

Regarding COVID, I believe the 2nd wave will be much less severe

... and I believe Dr Fauci is correct that there will be a vaccine available by the end of this year.

According to the medical director of the company I work for we should expect to see revolving phases of locking down and reopening over the next 1 to 3 years until a vaccine is developed.....this was as of this morning.

I'm not exactly holding out a ton of hope for this thing to go away quickly. I'll be pretty surprised if we see NHL playoffs this summer.

I agree with your last sentence.

But I'll go with Dr Fauci over your director, no offence...

[2Fingers]

Regarding COVID, I believe the 2nd wave will be much less severe

... and I believe Dr Fauci is correct that there will be a vaccine available by the end of this year.

According to the medical director of the company I work for we should expect to see revolving phases of locking down and reopening over the next 1 to 3 years until a vaccine is developed.....this was as of this morning.

I'm not exactly holding out a ton of hope for this thing to go away quickly. I'll be pretty surprised if we see NHL playoffs this summer.

I agree with your last sentence.

But I'll go with Dr Fauci over your director, no offence...

I will use common sense and listen to the experts vs. listening to someone who just say what ever their master thinks they should say. Even if there is a vaccine available by the end the year, which is very low probability, they still need to have the vaccine available for several hundred million people which will take more than a week to get done.

[2Fingers]

Owners don't want CBOs, players don't want CBOs, just the fans want CBOs.

Oh I saw this but I think you are wrong, I guess we will find out in the next 6 months who is correct.

[Strangelove]

Regarding COVID, I believe the 2nd wave will be much less severe

... and I believe Dr Fauci is correct that there will be a vaccine available by the end of this year.

According to the medical director of the company I work for we should expect to see revolving phases of locking down and reopening over the next 1 to 3 years until a vaccine is developed.....this was as of this morning.

I'm not exactly holding out a ton of hope for this thing to go away quickly. I'll be pretty surprised if we see NHL playoffs this summer.

I agree with your last sentence.

But I'll go with Dr Fauci over your director, no offence...

I will use common sense and listen to the experts vs. listening to someone who just say what ever their master thinks they should say.

So I quote one of the top infectious disease experts in the world

... and you dismiss it out of hand due to your politics + conspiracy-theory brainwashing?

"I listen to the experts" - Reefer2

"Common sense" is telling you there will be a "48 to 60ish schedule next yr" or "3-4 hub cities"?

Yeahno bro, you're neither in touch with reality nor sensible...

Even if there is a vaccine available by the end the year, which is very low probability, they still need to have the vaccine available for several hundred million people which will take more than a week to get done.

Yeahno, that's what Dr Fauci is talking about: A vaccine available for hundreds of millions of people by the end of the year.

[Strangelove]

Owners don't want CBOs, players don't want CBOs, just the fans want CBOs.

Oh I saw this but I think you are wrong, I guess we will find out in the next 6 months who is correct.

I gave compelling reasons for what I think.

Can you give any reasons for what you think?

Any at all?

Can you disprove any of the compelling reasons I gave?

Any at all?

I didn't think so!

Reefer2, one of the great debaters of our times.