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[Meds]

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Per also believed in the Trump vs Hillary polls.

She had a solid lead before the Russians interfered through Assange.
And even after the Russian intervention a majority of American voters chose her to be their president.

Sadly, the outdated 19th century electorate college did not mirror the will of the voters.

Same problem in Canada. Our PM and his party, though leading a minority government, received fewer total votes than the Conservative party, yet they won more seats. Kind've a busted system.

How do they do it in Sweden Per? Do all candidates grab their swords and axes and just have a good old fashioned viking honor tournament? Last man standing in each riding gets the seat?

We don’t really have ridings. We do the proportional thing. A party that gets 15% of the vote gets 15% of the seats.
Well, sort of. We have a 4% threshold, so a party with 3% of the vote gets no seats, and thus 15% might actually give you closer to 16%, but you get the drift.

How many parties do you have?

[Per]

I see.

And is there any proof that the Russkies managed to get so much as one single voter to change his/her vote?

Right?

In fact one could argue the whole affair had the opposite effect on American voters as a whole.

Rumours that "My orange hero" was in bed (figuratively + literally) with the Russkies may have led many Yanks to vote against him.

When Assange released that last batch, right before the election, and the FBI director somehow was pressed into going public and saying the investigation was re-opened, in breach of FBI tradition, that says they should not comment on ongoing investigations and they should not make statements that can influence an election. Right there is when Hillary lost.

And I don’t think many were swayed to switch candidate, more that a bunch of people that were leaning towards Hillary stayed home and refrained from voting.

And the talk about Trump colluding with the Russians was mainly after the fact, when the election was over, so no, that did not hurt him the slightest.

But, why do I bother, no one will ever convince the orange-man-bad TDSers that Lord Trump deserved to win the election.

Of course he didn’t deserve to win.

A fundamental concept in a democracy is that the candidate that gets the most votes win.
I know no other country where the candidate that has less votes can be considered to have won the election.

It’s caused by the US sticking to a relict of the past, the electoral college, which was concieved in a day and age when holding a national election in such a huge country was There were no flights, no radio, no telephones, heck, even no internet. Instead they let each state elect representatives that would then elect the president. It’s an outdated concept that ought to have been thrown on the ash heap of history in the early 20th , so that the people could be allowed to elect the president of their choice.

[Strangelove]

WHINE CRY SOB

Trump and Hilly were in an electoral college battle. Trump won.

If Trump and Hilly were in some other kind of battle, Trump would have won that too.

Per: "What if, what if... *whine,cry,sob*... WHAT IF!!"

Get over it Percy, you're crying like a little girl...

[Per]

WHINE CRY SOB

No. Just pointing out that a country that does not respect the wish of the people can hardly call itself a democracy.

[rats19]

WHINE CRY SOB

No. Just pointing out that a country that does not respect the wish of the people can hardly call itself a democracy.

Without the electoral college... New York and LA would elect the president... thank GOD for EC

[Per]

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Per also believed in the Trump vs Hillary polls.

She had a solid lead before the Russians interfered through Assange.
And even after the Russian intervention a majority of American voters chose her to be their president.

Sadly, the outdated 19th century electorate college did not mirror the will of the voters.

Same problem in Canada. Our PM and his party, though leading a minority government, received fewer total votes than the Conservative party, yet they won more seats. Kind've a busted system.

How do they do it in Sweden Per? Do all candidates grab their swords and axes and just have a good old fashioned viking honor tournament? Last man standing in each riding gets the seat?

We don’t really have ridings. We do the proportional thing. A party that gets 15% of the vote gets 15% of the seats.
Well, sort of. We have a 4% threshold, so a party with 3% of the vote gets no seats, and thus 15% might actually give you closer to 16%, but you get the drift.

How many parties do you have?

Well, we can’t throw any parties now, on account of co.... oh wait, I get it.

Hundreds, I guess?

But only eight in parliament.

From left to right, result in 2018 and seats in parliament:

Vänsterpartiet (V) ”the left party” 8.00% 28 (used to be communists, now socialists)
Socialdemokraterna (S) ”the social democrats” 28.26% 100 seats
Miljöpartiet (Mp) ”the environment party” 4.41% 16 (our green party)
Centerpartiet (C) ”the centre party” 8.61% 31 seats (originally ”the farmers’ union, now liberals with a rural twist)
Liberalerna (L) ”the liberals” 5.49% 20 seats
Moderaterna (M) ”the moderates” 19.84% 70 seats (call themselves moderates but is our conservative party)
Kristdemokraterna (Kd) ”the christian democrats” 6.32% 22 seats (religious conservatives - our tea party)
Sverigedemokraterna (Sd) ”the Sweden democrats” 17.53% 62 seats (far right anti immigration party founded by nazis)
Others 1.53% but no seats (biggest of these is The Feminist Initiative that gained 0.47% of the vote)

Normally the left party, social democrats and the green party stick together while the centre party, liberals, christian demodrats and moderates formed an Alliance, and these two groups have taken turns running the country.

With the Sweden Democrats entering the picture it got complicated. The other parties shun them because of their neonazi past.

After the 2018 elections, the Alliance could have formed a government if they had let in the Sweden Democrats, but the two liberal parties (centre party and liberals) refused to do this and instead switched side, abandoning their traditional conservative allies to instead back a social democratic minority government.

[Megaterio Llamas]

Turns out President Trump likes to watch old movies.

I know he's a busy man but he should probably work on finishing them.

[Per]

Turns out President Trump likes to watch old movies.

I know he's a busy man but he should probably work on finishing them.

Agreed. Seems he’s unaware of what happened to captain Bligh...

[Cousin Strawberry]

Turns out President Trump likes to watch old movies.

I know he's a busy man but he should probably work on finishing them.

Agreed. Seems he’s unaware of what happened to captain Bligh...

His open craft 3600+km journey across the Pacific was an amazing feat.

[Topper]

Yes Bligh survived the mutiny was honourably acquitted upon return to England and went on to become Govenor of New South Wales and was again deposed and again vindicated by the courts.

Bligh was right throughout his trials.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Really loved Anthony Hopkins in that role. Great flick

The high pitched, nasally wussbag that Brando played as Fletcher Christian in the older version ruined that one for me

[Topper]

Really loved Anthony Hopkins in that role. Great flick

The high pitched, nasally wussbag that Brando played as Fletcher Christian in the older version ruined that one for me

The original is still the best version. Charles Laughton was brilliant.

[Strangelove]

Yes Bligh survived the mutiny was honourably acquitted upon return to England and went on to become Govenor of New South Wales and was again deposed and again vindicated by the courts.

Bligh was right throughout his trials.

And three of the mutineers were strung up.

[Chef Boi RD]

History has repeatedly shown that Nationalism/Protectionism leads to War. Divisive Donny Shit Neck Trump is doing a bang up job in that department.

[Strangelove]

History has repeatedly shown that Nationalism/Protectionism leads to War

Well the other option leads to Communism so...