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[Carl Yagro]

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Per; Would you support a worldwide ban on all commercial and military aircraft flying above 10,000 feet?
If you cannot answer an outright yes, then; ?
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Just call me a party pooper. .

No, I don’t believe in going backwards, back to the stone age.
Instead I applaud the Norwegians that have passed legislation that all domestic flights must use electric planes by 2030.
There is also a proposal in Germany to ban domestic flights.

I will continue to fly when going abroad, but usually take the train within Sweden, and I think airlines should be encouraged to use energy efficient aircraft, and refrain from fossil fuels to the largest extent possible. At present bio-fuels for aircraft are not readily available. They exist, but production is far too limited and the product is still way too expensive. But rather than banning flights or having a one-size-fits-all flight tax, I think they should tax the fuel consumption, and exempt And maybe even pass legislation to phase out fossil fuels asap.

I believe in solving problems through science and technology.

The problem isn’t airplanes. The problem is fossil fuels.
Rather than banning airplanes, we need to find other ways to propel them.

Nice try. Aint gonna happen. Well, maybe nuclear powered aircraft, if mankind is around that long.
Norway is speaking of light aircraft that need not reach high altitudes. They are also speaking of their own only.

Aint gonna happen?!

They already have electric planes that can transport eight people and be in the air for one hour.
As technology improves, as batteries get smaller and more powerful, performance will improve.
I bet within five years they can carry 20 passengers and stay in the air for two hours. That’s good enough for quite a few destinations.
In ten years they can probably carry 50 passengers. That should cover our domestic needs.

I doubt they will ever be able to replace jumbojets, but if those switch to hybrid technology, or fuel cells, or even just biofuels, that would still be a huge improvement.

Some people are proposing to bring back the Hindenburg for shipping of goods internationally. They would be unmanned and travel eastward only via the earth's jet streams.

This would reduce the carbon emissions from planes and ocean tankers from burning fossil fuels, but the governments worldwide that have banned hydrogen flights are probably more concerned about explosive Amazon deliveries.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Mankind is already in possession of an infinite gravity drive system they recovered from alien technology. Its not even debatable.

The fact that this tech is being suppressed tells me the ebbs and flow of the energy/environmental debate ia completely fabricated and by design.

We are basically all sheep in an invisible paddock lapping up green clover and alfalfa sprouts while we wait for the magical ride to the halal meat slaughterhouse

[Per]

Some people are proposing to bring back the Hindenburg for shipping of goods internationally. They would be unmanned and travel eastward only via the earth's jet streams.

This would reduce the carbon emissions from planes and ocean tankers from burning fossil fuels, but the governments worldwide that have banned hydrogen flights are probably more concerned about explosive Amazon deliveries.

You could use helium instead of hydrogen. A more expensive solution, but doable.
I still think electric airplanes is going to be what happens, but the technology still needs to improve before they can completely replace the current planes. They should replace most smaller aircraft within the next decade though. Kind of like electric mopeds are replacing traditional ones in asia. I mean, once you are past the initial investment, electricty costs are a fraction of fuel costs, and an electric engine has fewer moving parts and is therefor more reliable and easier to service.

[Carl Yagro]

Some people are proposing to bring back the Hindenburg for shipping of goods internationally. They would be unmanned and travel eastward only via the earth's jet streams.

This would reduce the carbon emissions from planes and ocean tankers from burning fossil fuels, but the governments worldwide that have banned hydrogen flights are probably more concerned about explosive Amazon deliveries.

You could use helium instead of hydrogen. A more expensive solution, but doable.

I still think electric airplanes is going to be what happens, but the technology still needs to improve before they can completely replace the current planes. They should replace most smaller aircraft within the next decade though. Kind of like electric mopeds are replacing traditional ones in asia. I mean, once you are past the initial investment, electricty costs are a fraction of fuel costs, and an electric engine has fewer moving parts and is therefor more reliable and easier to service.

Well, the whole point is that helium is so rare, can't be manufactured and must be extracted from the earth's crust that it isn't feasible. Scientists are actually calling for a ban on helium balloons as it is wasting precious resources.

Hydrogen, on the other hand, is easy to produce and has no negative impact on the environment when burned as fuel. Industrial hydrogen is mostly still produced by using fossil fuels for electrolysis sure, but there might be ways to extract it in much more cost-effective and natural ways in the future.

However, no one can predict how stable this gas is even for unmanned purposes. They're pretty sure there will more than likely be incidents like the Hindenburg (even if infrequently). Sure no one might die if they're able to force crashes into the ocean, but it would be off-putting if the flight course software malfunctioned and a flaming Amazon balloon fell out of the sky and started hurtling towards Stockholm, no?

That's probably why bureaucrats will never let that happen.

The electric airplane? I could possibly see this within the next 30 years, maybe longer for commercial purposes?

[Mickey107]

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..............................................................................Awesome...

[Cousin Strawberry]

. I mean, once you are past the initial investment, electricty costs are a fraction of fuel costs, and an electric engine has fewer moving parts and is therefor more reliable and easier to service.

What happens when everyone does embrace the electrical vehicle revolution? The infrastructure will require billions to meet the requirements and demand will drive prices through the roof.

The problem, again, is too many fuckin people.

[Per]

Eviation has already received its first orders. US regional airline Cape Air, which operates a fleet of 90 aircraft, has agreed to buy a "double-digit" number of the aircraft.

The firm is using Siemens and magniX to provide the electric motors, and magniX chief executive Roei Ganzarski says that with two billion air tickets sold each year for flights of under 500 miles, the business potential for small electric passenger aircraft is clear.

Crucially, electricity is much cheaper than conventional fuel.

A small aircraft, like a turbo-prop Cessna Caravan, will use $400 on conventional fuel for a 100-mile flight, says Mr Ganzarski. But with electricity "it'll be between $8-$12, which means much lower costs per flight-hour".

"We're not an environmentalist company, the reason we're doing this is because it makes business sense."

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48630656

[Per]

. I mean, once you are past the initial investment, electricty costs are a fraction of fuel costs, and an electric engine has fewer moving parts and is therefor more reliable and easier to service.

What happens when everyone does embrace the electrical vehicle revolution? The infrastructure will require billions to meet the requirements and demand will drive prices through the roof.

The problem, again, is too many fuckin people.

Huh? Which infrastructure? Electricity is available pretty much everywhere.

As for the demand, if all Swedes switched to electric cars, and kept driving as much as they do today, we would need to increase electricity production with 8%. Assuming that it takes ten years to reach that goal, there's need for less than a 1% increase in production per year.....

Also take into account that globally almost 40% of electricity is used for lighting, and most people still use old fashioned bulbs. LED bulbs use 75% less energy than the old type, so just by switching to modern light bulbs, you could save almost 30% of the electricity produced today. Or, OK, LED lights are already in use, so let's say that half the saving has been done already, but there is still some 15% reduction of electricity usage that could be achieved simply by replacing all old bulbs with new LED ones. And that should by a large margin make room for the added need of electricity for cars.

Then add in the fact that both solar and wind power is becoming more and more efficient and cheaper. Even in Qatar electricity from solar energy is now cheaper than that from gas power plants, which in turn is far cheaper than that from coal power plants.
https://oxfordbusinessgroup.com/analysi ... on-efforts

If you have money in fossil fuels, divest before it's too late.

edit: found an article looking at the impact in the USA, which in percentage would be higher, as the warm climate means less electricity is needed for heating, so electricity production is lower to begin with. But still....

While EVs might increase the amount of electricity the U.S. consumes, the investment required to accommodate them may be smaller than it appears. Many regions already have sufficient generation capacity if vehicles are charged during off-peak hours. The energy storage on board EVs could provide the flexibility needed to shift charging times and help grid operators better manage the supply and demand of electricity.

What’s more, based on our calculations, the money Americans would save in fuel costs alone could offset these investments.

For example, had most of California’s vehicles been electric by 2017, we estimate that its drivers would have saved around $25 billion that year in fuel costs — based on the average prices for electricity and gasoline.

In addition to fuel savings, some market analysts expect electric cars to be cheaper than conventional vehicles by 2026, another potential economic benefit.

While it’s challenging to predict the future prices for gasoline, electricity, and vehicles, we believe it is likely that the widespread use of EVs would reduce the overall costs of transportation in California and elsewhere. These savings are even greater if the environmental benefits, especially lower carbon emissions, are taken into account.

https://www.inverse.com/article/51486-e ... astructure

[Mickey107]

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Just heard this morning, they have or are about to close the Richmond Go-Kart track forever.
Apparently, there is not enough business due to something called Speeders that is much smaller, safer and uses only electric
little things that are quiet and do not pollute.
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I feel the same way, little guy. I feel your pain. Damn philanthropic bastards!

The very last chance for better driving in the Vancouver area is gone.
Time to "Officially", join some sort of club or something.

Many good memories.

Soon I will be writing up a post on my submission to the Government of BC on my strict new drivers in BC licensing policies!
It will save lives. I am sure I will have the support of MADD, and other organizations as well.........................

[Per]

The electric airplane? I could possibly see this within the next 30 years, maybe longer for commercial purposes?

Norway has already passed legislation that by 2040 all domestic flights must be electric.
Sweden is expected to do the same.

So I'd say within twenty years electric planes will be the norm here.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Solar power in Qatar is obviously going to be more practical than canada or sweden. The power grid in north america already suffers shortages during hot summer...hows that going to fare?

Neither you nor I will see an electric only transportation network in our lifetimes Per...in fact, humanity wont ever see one unless we move off planet or have a mass die off of all these fuckin people.

[Mickey107]

The power grids between southern BC and Page/Lake Powell, Arizona, are actually connected;>>

[Carl Yagro]

The electric airplane? I could possibly see this within the next 30 years, maybe longer for commercial purposes?

Norway has already passed legislation that by 2040 all domestic flights must be electric.
Sweden is expected to do the same.

So I'd say within twenty years electric planes will be the norm here.

We're talking the NA superpowers here. It'll likely never be full electric anything here.

China might get there by then. US of A will never. Imagine the violent protests if the US government tried to get them to switch to electric guns?

[Mickey107]

The electric airplane? I could possibly see this within the next 30 years, maybe longer for commercial purposes?

Norway has already passed legislation that by 2040 all domestic flights must be electric.
Sweden is expected to do the same.

So I'd say within twenty years electric planes will be the norm here.

We're talking the NA superpowers here. It'll likely never be full electric anything here.

China might get there by then. US of A will never. Imagine the violent protests if the US government tried to get them to switch to electric guns?

[Cousin Strawberry]

We're talking the NA superpowers here.

Ya!

We're not talking about those communist banana republics like biafrica or sweden