The Official Dave Ayres CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

[BigTuna]

Never mind his intentions, Leaves can't afford Barrie in a year.

They will have a tough enough time trying to re-sign Muzzin + Dermott.

I see a lot of the hockey pundits referring to this trade as a one year rental.

You thought they couldn't afford Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares. You always say this and are always wrong.

"Hockey Pundits" said all Leaf RFAs were getting offersheets. What do they know?

[Strangelove]

Never mind his intentions, Leaves can't afford Barrie in a year.

They will have a tough enough time trying to re-sign Muzzin + Dermott.

I see a lot of the hockey pundits referring to this trade as a one year rental.

You thought they couldn't afford Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares. You always say this and are always wrong.

Never said that.

But I implied the sacrifices needed to fit them all under the cap would ruin them.

And yup.

You said they'd never have to/never would trade Nazi.

"Hockey Pundits" said all Leaf RFAs were getting offersheets. What do they know?

They said an RFA or two around the league would be offer-sheeted.

You said there would be no offer sheets.

They were right and you were wrong.

[Meds]

UDL, Doc....

Could be. I would certainly enjoy that if it comes to pass.

Up front, in terms of value, Sakic took a top pairing defenseman and his #1 PPQB, and packaged him with a young 40-50 point center (with a bit more upside left in him possibly.....though I doubt it happens in TO for him lol) and sent him to Toronto for a 25 year old AHL left Dman who might see NHL action, or might not, and the NHL's problem child of the year award winner.....he also retained half of Barrie's salary.

Not a great trade now.

But could be a seen as a great move at this time next year.

[Meds]

Never mind his intentions, Leaves can't afford Barrie in a year.

They will have a tough enough time trying to re-sign Muzzin + Dermott.

I see a lot of the hockey pundits referring to this trade as a one year rental.

You thought they couldn't afford Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares. You always say this and are always wrong.

"Hockey Pundits" said all Leaf RFAs were getting offersheets. What do they know?

Did Marner sign today or something?

[Cousin Strawberry]

UDL, Doc....

Could be. I would certainly enjoy that if it comes to pass.

Up front, in terms of value, Sakic took a top pairing defenseman and his #1 PPQB, and packaged him with a young 40-50 point center (with a bit more upside left in him possibly.....though I doubt it happens in TO for him lol) and sent him to Toronto for a 25 year old AHL left Dman who might see NHL action, or might not, and the NHL's problem child of the year award winner.....he also retained half of Barrie's salary.

Not a great trade now.

But could be a seen as a great move at this time next year.

Theres no way he gets this fleeced unless he knows something. Given the rumours I'd guess its a good bet its barrie letting his intentions be known.
I swear i read somewhere barrie saying he is wanting to come to vancouver...cant find it now.
So...Tanev out Barrie in next summer

[BigTuna]

Never mind his intentions, Leaves can't afford Barrie in a year.

They will have a tough enough time trying to re-sign Muzzin + Dermott.

I see a lot of the hockey pundits referring to this trade as a one year rental.

You thought they couldn't afford Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares. You always say this and are always wrong.

Never said that.

But I implied the sacrifices needed to fit them all under the cap would ruin them.

And yup.

You said they'd never have to/never would trade Nazi.

"Hockey Pundits" said all Leaf RFAs were getting offersheets. What do they know?

They said an RFA or two around the league would be offer-sheeted.

You said there would be no offer sheets.

They were right and you were wrong.

No, they said Leaf RFAS would receive offersheets. They never even mentioned Aho. LOL

And what "Sacrifices"? Like not signing a bottom y6 forward to 5 million per like Rutherford? Have you looked at the crap people are overpaying? Your team just gave Tyler Myers 7 million per. Jesus.

[BigTuna]

UDL, Doc....

Could be. I would certainly enjoy that if it comes to pass.

Up front, in terms of value, Sakic took a top pairing defenseman and his #1 PPQB, and packaged him with a young 40-50 point center (with a bit more upside left in him possibly.....though I doubt it happens in TO for him lol) and sent him to Toronto for a 25 year old AHL left Dman who might see NHL action, or might not, and the NHL's problem child of the year award winner.....he also retained half of Barrie's salary.

Not a great trade now.

But could be a seen as a great move at this time next year.

Theres no way he gets this fleeced unless he knows something. Given the rumours I'd guess its a good bet its barrie letting his intentions be known.
I swear i read somewhere barrie saying he is wanting to come to vancouver...cant find it now.
So...Tanev out Barrie in next summer

15 million for Myers and Barrie. LOL
You guys don't understand the cap do you? 11 milion for Tavres-Good. 7 million for a supporting talent=-bad.

Remember when you guys thought Lou was so much better than Dubas? Lou has comitted almost 20 million to Lee, Eberle and Nelson. Jesus.

Identify 5-6 core pieces and pay them. Fill-out your roster with replaceable talent. I can tell you right now Muzzin isn't being signed by the leaves. Not a true core piece and he's aging. JVR I said 2 years before he was UFA Toronto would have no interest in keeping him. Philly is paying 14.65 per for JVR and Hayes. HAHAHA.

leaves invest their $$$ in stars.

[Meds]

Your team just gave Tyler Myers 7 million per. Jesus.

$30M over 5 years.....

Is that really how they do math in Toronto?

[Strangelove]

Tuna no one said a Marner offersheet would happen by July 2nd.

Ya gotta wait for it big guy!

I remember when you thought Lou was the cat's meow.

You thought the entire "dream team" of Shanny, Lou, Dumass, and The Cock were the cat's meow.

I said that it would just be a matter of time until you and Leaves Nation turned on each one of them.

So far you're shitting all over Lou and the rest will get their turn in due time.

Eventually you'll realize that Lou did not act alone, he was part of the aforementioned "team".

You'll realize Shanny, Dumass, and The Cock signed off on all the lousy trades/signings you're pinning on Lou.

You'll realize (too late mind you) Shanny, Dumass, and The Cock have ruined your team

... and out will come the torches and pitchforks.

We've seen this movie before.

Opening scene is exhalation of management and coach.

Final scene is a bloodbath.

Remember when Burkie was god?

What about Burnsie?

Lol, I love this movie...

[Strangelove]

And what "Sacrifices"?

Have you forgoten them already?

Kadri, Gardiner, Hainsey, Marleau, Brown, JVR, Bozak, Komarov, Martin...

You raved about each and every one of those guys at one time or another!

Good God man, most of your team will be near-minimum-wage replacement players this year:

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs




Sacrifices...

[Strangelove]

You guys don't understand the cap do you?

This from Mr Tuna!

[Meds]

UDL, Doc....

Could be. I would certainly enjoy that if it comes to pass.

Up front, in terms of value, Sakic took a top pairing defenseman and his #1 PPQB, and packaged him with a young 40-50 point center (with a bit more upside left in him possibly.....though I doubt it happens in TO for him lol) and sent him to Toronto for a 25 year old AHL left Dman who might see NHL action, or might not, and the NHL's problem child of the year award winner.....he also retained half of Barrie's salary.

Not a great trade now.

But could be a seen as a great move at this time next year.

Theres no way he gets this fleeced unless he knows something. Given the rumours I'd guess its a good bet its barrie letting his intentions be known.
I swear i read somewhere barrie saying he is wanting to come to vancouver...cant find it now.
So...Tanev out Barrie in next summer

15 million for Myers and Barrie. LOL
You guys don't understand the cap do you? 11 milion for Tavres-Good. 7 million for a supporting talent=-bad.

Remember when you guys thought Lou was so much better than Dubas? Lou has comitted almost 20 million to Lee, Eberle and Nelson. Jesus.

Identify 5-6 core pieces and pay them. Fill-out your roster with replaceable talent. I can tell you right now Muzzin isn't being signed by the Leaves. Not a true core piece and he's aging. JVR I said 2 years before he was UFA Toronto would have no interest in keeping him. Philly is paying 14.65 per for JVR and Hayes. HAHAHA.

Leaves invest their $$$ in stars.

Tavares: $11M
Matthews: $11.6M
Nylander: $7M
Reilly: $5M (under paid by at least $2M currently)
Andersen: $5M

That's roughly 50% of the cap on 5 guys. You need 18 more players.

Oh and if you sign Marner, he will get at least the same as Matthews now after Panarin's signing.

So that's $51M and you don't even have a complete top defense pairing.

Nylander is a guy who fits in your column of a support player. He's like Eberle, who with the exception of 2 seasons has been a 60 point winger. Eberle just signed for $1.5M less than Nylander btw. Lee and Nelson are much the same, but definitely overpaid.....but oddly enough they are still in the Nylander range of salary albeit for 15 points less. But still.....support guys.

[Diehard1]

UDL, Doc....

Could be. I would certainly enjoy that if it comes to pass.

Up front, in terms of value, Sakic took a top pairing defenseman and his #1 PPQB, and packaged him with a young 40-50 point center (with a bit more upside left in him possibly.....though I doubt it happens in TO for him lol) and sent him to Toronto for a 25 year old AHL left Dman who might see NHL action, or might not, and the NHL's problem child of the year award winner.....he also retained half of Barrie's salary.

Not a great trade now.

But could be a seen as a great move at this time next year.

Theres no way he gets this fleeced unless he knows something. Given the rumours I'd guess its a good bet its barrie letting his intentions be known.
I swear i read somewhere barrie saying he is wanting to come to vancouver...cant find it now.
So...Tanev out Barrie in next summer

15 million for Myers and Barrie. LOL
You guys don't understand the cap do you? 11 milion for Tavres-Good. 7 million for a supporting talent=-bad.

Remember when you guys thought Lou was so much better than Dubas? Lou has comitted almost 20 million to Lee, Eberle and Nelson. Jesus.

Identify 5-6 core pieces and pay them. Fill-out your roster with replaceable talent. I can tell you right now Muzzin isn't being signed by the Leaves. Not a true core piece and he's aging. JVR I said 2 years before he was UFA Toronto would have no interest in keeping him. Philly is paying 14.65 per for JVR and Hayes. HAHAHA.

Leaves invest their $$$ in stars.

I fully agree with getting 5-6 core pieces, paying them and figuring out the rest with cheap talent. Chicago in their prime is a perfect example - Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Hossa, Sharp were the core guys. They had a ton of talent that cycled in - Byfuglien, Ladd, Bolland, Versteeg, Campbell, Brouwer, Saad, Leddy, Madden, etc. Most of these guys were traded before their deals ran up for picks and younger, cheaper players to keep the cycle going. It’s produced 3 cups in the past decade.

They lost the plot recently because they continued to pay their core too far into their cycle, but they’ve drafted well with Debrincat, Jokiharju, Schmaltz (traded for Strome), Boqvist, Dach, etc so they’ve got the next group already coming which should keep the, competitive. I assume they’ll pick the guys out of this group who they think are part of the next core, pay them and move others for value. They’ll likely be competitive this year and my guess is they’ll be right there fighting to make the playoffs this year.

It’s a great model and the way I think it should be done. There’s too much loyalty in sports to players when loyalty should be to sustained competitive teams - if that means you trade a fan favourite or longtime player so be it.

[Strangelove]

blah blah blah

I fully agree

I lived in Toronto

It's all starting to make sense now...

[Cousin Strawberry]

Fuck i laughed at that shit