If you say soStrangelove wrote: ↑Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:11 pm
Agreed, did you know Jimmy turned down a job as Sabres' GM before accepting the the Canucks' job?
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Jimbro will go down as one of the greatest GMs in Canuck history. Chef Boi reclines to his siesta and enjoys the view of his innate ability to see in to the future.
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If he builds that Masterpiece Dynasty you've also foretold, then there's no doubt that he is the greatest GM in Canucks history.
If he's not the GM when the Canucks (eventually, someday) win the Stanley Cup, then he's tied with everyone else who has tried at zero.
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Nice to see my buddy Strangelove is still throwing my name around here even when I’ve been away for a couple of weeks - he sure makes a guy feel loved.
My take on the Linden situation is it seems like much ado about nothing. Sure, perhaps he wanted the more patient, long term rebuild but it’s not like they were doing that while he was here, so I don’t see how this changes anything. I did like his strategy of speaking with other teams that have rebuilt but given he’s gone it’s a moot point. I have dealt with Aquilini in business before and he’s the type who gets what he wants, won’t let anybody stand in his way, so this doesn’t surprise me. We all knew he was pulling the strings anyway, so it’s business as usual.
It does put more pressure on Jimbo now though - he’s going to take all the heat if (when) they suck this year, can’t have Linden helping him to deflect anymore. Likely won’t be that much different last few years for him but if it really goes south the he’s going to be main one in the line of fire (even if Aquilini should be).
Still a couple of months to make some changes before the season starts, we will see what happens.
My take on the Linden situation is it seems like much ado about nothing. Sure, perhaps he wanted the more patient, long term rebuild but it’s not like they were doing that while he was here, so I don’t see how this changes anything. I did like his strategy of speaking with other teams that have rebuilt but given he’s gone it’s a moot point. I have dealt with Aquilini in business before and he’s the type who gets what he wants, won’t let anybody stand in his way, so this doesn’t surprise me. We all knew he was pulling the strings anyway, so it’s business as usual.
It does put more pressure on Jimbo now though - he’s going to take all the heat if (when) they suck this year, can’t have Linden helping him to deflect anymore. Likely won’t be that much different last few years for him but if it really goes south the he’s going to be main one in the line of fire (even if Aquilini should be).
Still a couple of months to make some changes before the season starts, we will see what happens.
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Well I didn't want to post any of the numerous 18/19 power rankings. (predictions of the standings).
Suffice to say the "highest" I saw the Canucks was 27th. All others were worse.
Someone will be doling out the green when we finish 15th.
Bank on it.
Suffice to say the "highest" I saw the Canucks was 27th. All others were worse.
Someone will be doling out the green when we finish 15th.
Bank on it.
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Yes well I noticed you lurking a lot and I thought I'd try to draw you back in.
Why? Because I love you... and your speculation:
BTW if you reeeeeally wanna feel the love, check your private message folder, you finally got one!Diehard1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:45 pm My take on the Linden situation is it seems like much ado about nothing. Sure, perhaps he wanted the more patient, long term rebuild but it’s not like they were doing that while he was here, so I don’t see how this changes anything. I did like his strategy of speaking with other teams that have rebuilt but given he’s gone it’s a moot point. I have dealt with Aquilini in business before and he’s the type who gets what he wants, won’t let anybody stand in his way, so this doesn’t surprise me. We all knew he was pulling the strings anyway, so it’s business as usual.
It does put more pressure on Jimbo now though - he’s going to take all the heat if (when) they suck this year, can’t have Linden helping him to deflect anymore. Likely won’t be that much different last few years for him but if it really goes south the he’s going to be main one in the line of fire (even if Aquilini should be).
Still a couple of months to make some changes before the season starts, we will see what happens.
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Without Hughes we're basically the same team this year as last. An elite skating defenseman can make or break a team usually...and its going to be another "break" scenario unfortunately.
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There is a HUGE difference this year. That is the key. New leaders, will create an excitement and new culture.
That is not disrespect for the retirees. I think many will be surprised how it unfolds.
That is not disrespect for the retirees. I think many will be surprised how it unfolds.
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Yeah, good point. Too bad, it'd be nice to see Francisco show some ballz and speak to the fans thru a press conference, instead of hiding in the background all the time. Getting JB and Greener to speak for him to address the state of the franchise didn't cut it.Lancer wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:34 am This is the new paradigm for mass communication: bypass the mainstream media and either go through corporate-owned media or communicate directly through social media. Much more comfortable for them than dealing with uncomfortable questions from a professionally skeptical corps of journalists. No doubt Linden signed some kind of gag arrangement as part of the ‘amicable’ parting of ways.
I hope so. I just hope all this didn't leave a sour taste in Trev's mouth, so he stays away from the franchise like he did during the MG era. As Lancer pointed out, Trev is going to stay quiet and keep a low profile for while. Just hope he'll be back down the road.
NP man. Don't need to thank me, I'm just a messenger. U can thank your good bud the Botch-man.Strangelove wrote: ↑Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:13 pm Thanks for the contract info though Todd, I figured Benning was regularly going over Trev's (figure)head
... but I did not know it was actually written into his contract!
Well, my point was not so much who was a better player in Cheezeburgler Nonis vs Pall Bear JB. The point is the character and commitment to the franchise in Nonis and JB. I think Nonis showed his character when he refused to trade Edler/Kes for an aging star B.Richards. Would JB stand up to the Aqua-man if he was ordered to trade some top young players for an aging star? Right now, I dunno and I do have my doubts.Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:38 am Dont recall cheeseburger nonis ever lacing up for the sliding spaghetti...maybe in the concession stand gorging on hot dogs
I was thinking of this awhile back. I know this was a long time ago and it was a total different regime, but JB's playing days as a Canuck ended with some controversy and one could view that JB wasn't treated fairly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Benning
Who knows, maybe deep inside JB still holds some ill will. When push comes to shove and he is ordered to make a trade where he has to sacrifice some young players he really believes in, he'll just compromise saying to himself: it's a tough business. This franchise wasn't there for him when he was a player. He saw what happened to Trevor and it's not really his call anyways, so he has got to do what he has to do.Benning spent the next four seasons with the Canucks, becoming a veteran with the team, as well as scoring 12 goals and 70 points in that span despite some injuries.[21][22] His style of play during this period was described as "effective but rarely conspicuous."[23] Benning was described as becoming a more conservative, albeit more complete player with the Canucks.[12] Early in the 1989–90 season, he was considered one of the Canucks' best performers in the absence of Paul Reinhart.[23] The Canucks, according to coach Bob McCammon, however, found greater success without Benning in their lineup, though it was "no reflection on him."[24] Benning believed he was playing well, resulting in confusion between the two sides.[24] Following a streak of nine consecutive games scratched from the Canucks' lineup, the team requested that Benning be demoted to their International Hockey League affiliate Milwaukee Admirals, although he declined.[25][26] After a brief period of uncertainty with the Canucks in which he was told not to attend practice, Benning was asked to rejoin the team after an injury to Harold Snepsts vacated a roster position.[27][28] He experienced a three-point game in his return, but was scratched again for the remainder of the season afterward due to the organization's belief that he was too small.[28][29]
After the conclusion of the 1989–90 NHL season, Benning signed a termination contract with the Vancouver Canucks.[30] Early in the subsequent preseason, Benning was sidelined with a bruised knee.[31] A month later, he was reassigned to the Milwaukee Admirals as the Canucks sought to trade him.[32] He concluded the 1990–91 season with the Admirals.[33]
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U raise some interesting points. Just a couple comments:Diehard1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:45 pm My take on the Linden situation is it seems like much ado about nothing. Sure, perhaps he wanted the more patient, long term rebuild but it’s not like they were doing that while he was here, so I don’t see how this changes anything. I did like his strategy of speaking with other teams that have rebuilt but given he’s gone it’s a moot point. I have dealt with Aquilini in business before and he’s the type who gets what he wants, won’t let anybody stand in his way, so this doesn’t surprise me. We all knew he was pulling the strings anyway, so it’s business as usual.
It does put more pressure on Jimbo now though - he’s going to take all the heat if (when) they suck this year, can’t have Linden helping him to deflect anymore. Likely won’t be that much different last few years for him but if it really goes south the he’s going to be main one in the line of fire (even if Aquilini should be).
Still a couple of months to make some changes before the season starts, we will see what happens.
a) Although JB said Aqua-man told him there won't be a replacement for Trev, I think it's in their interest to find a guy to be a public figure for them. JB has become better with the media thru experience, but it's still not his strength. Aqua-man doesn't seem to like the spotlight, so he should find someone to speak for him. Trev did a lot of this when he was here and he was pretty good at it, it's a big void. It's doesn't have to be a big name hockey guy, a media savy business type would fit the bill nicely. Kind of like the John McCaw days, he never said anything; however, he had a bunch of Orca Bay guys do it for him. They did have Burkie too. He was great with the media and could handle most situations himself. JB is a far cry from BB in terms of charisma, personality and ability to handle the spotlight.
b) I heard the G-Spot (Tony Gallagher) say that he thinks the patriarch of the family (Father Aqualini) still has a lot of say/power in the family. The boys do what the Big Daddy says, but Francisco takes most of the heat if things don't turn out the way they wanted. The G-Spot also pointed out it's Aqua-man's MO to have a replacement ready when he cans someone (ie: MG for Nonis; Trev for MG). It'll be interesting to see if one gets named soon.
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The Aquaman’s MO sure has been to have a replacement picked before he fires someone. That’s why I’m putting more stock in Trevor quitting and it caught owners by surprise. They tried to push him to sway in a direction he didn’t agree with so he walked.
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I do believe Trev’s enough of a man of principle to do something like that. I believe the narrative of Aquabros approaching Trev about the job vice the other way around. I think he took the job with conviction and diligence but it wasn’t a matter of personal ambition for him. He has too many other things to keep him busy and happy.Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:59 pm The Aquaman’s MO sure has been to have a replacement picked before he fires someone. That’s why I’m putting more stock in Trevor quitting and it caught owners by surprise. They tried to push him to sway in a direction he didn’t agree with so he walked.
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That last sentence may have been part of the problem.Lancer wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:00 amI do believe Trev’s enough of a man of principle to do something like that. I believe the narrative of Aquabros approaching Trev about the job vice the other way around. I think he took the job with conviction and diligence but it wasn’t a matter of personal ambition for him. He has too many other things to keep him busy and happy.Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:59 pm The Aquaman’s MO sure has been to have a replacement picked before he fires someone. That’s why I’m putting more stock in Trevor quitting and it caught owners by surprise. They tried to push him to sway in a direction he didn’t agree with so he walked.
I had noticed a lack of ads.
Maybe a coincidence they started everywhere 2 days after he left.
They seem rushed though.
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Yeah, its not like the Canucks are adding two former top 6 draft picks into their lineup this year or anything.... One of whom, by the way, was still a junior and happened to be the MVP of what it is either the best or second best league outside of North America (KHL better top end; Swedish league more balanced). Its not like the Canucks will likely get a full season of a kid who played a 3/4 of a season last year as a 20 year old channeling (up until his final month) Markus Naslund, and who is certainly the best pure scorer the Canucks have had since #19.Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:26 pm Without Hughes we're basically the same team this year as last. An elite skating defenseman can make or break a team usually...and its going to be another "break" scenario unfortunately.
Point is that Boeser is not quite Laine or Bossy, but he's pretty damn close and get this, at his age, could still get better. And Pettersson? We don't know yet, but it isn't false optimism to believe that the Canucks have their hands on a kid who will very soon develop into an elite player.
It is weird that the sky-is-falling sentiment got loaded so much into this Linden thread. The people making the complaint doesn't even know if Linden was on "their" side in the rebuild philosophy. (And even if he were, was he effective at advocating for or executing on that position internally?) I think there are fair points on both sides of the argument in terms of whether the Canucks are being managed well or could have been managed better, but I don't think it is debatable that not only do the Canucks have the deepest prospect pipeline they've had in years, they have two young players who are easily their best prospects since the Sedins. That is *exciting.*
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True but theyre also subtracting 2 HHOFers and DID have that same Bossy/Naslund clone for 3/4 of the season.UWSaint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:40 amYeah, its not like the Canucks are adding two former top 6 draft picks into their lineup this year or anything.... One of whom, by the way, was still a junior and happened to be the MVP of what it is either the best or second best league outside of North America (KHL better top end; Swedish league more balanced).Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:26 pm Without Hughes we're basically the same team this year as last. An elite skating defenseman can make or break a team usually...and its going to be another "break" scenario unfortunately.
My point isnt to debate about additions and subtractions up front but rather the missing dynamic of an elite skating defenseman. The ass end is the same
I'm not a sky is falling fan at all. I looove what we have going on its just that defense with no Hughes isnt anything at all to get excited about. More than likely the worst in the league without Hughes or Trynapkin
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