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Per wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:20 am
micky107 wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:14 am He's just coming off a hell of a long, record breaking, season. High intensity, high emotion.
So like sure, let him play his ass off at the Worlds.
Think maybe there might be some pissed-off players there?
Has that been the case in the past?
Ya. Push the kid to the limit. Let'a see what he's made of.

Guess my ideas on asset management differ from most.
Seeing as the Stanley Cup playoffs are played at the same time as the World Championship;
Hoping that the Canucks will be a highly successful team over the years to come;
Noting that Bettman and his henchmen did not release the NHL players to participate at the recent Olympics,

the least we can demand is to get to see Elias Pettersson don the blue and yellow in at least one freaking tournament! :evil:

Who knows when that will happen again? :scowl:
He should play for his country, learn from some more vets.

Plus it does not hurt when the Canucks are looking at other Swedish/FA and how they treat their fellow country men.

I thought someone said he played in NA before but i cannot see it in his stats. I really hope he is on the team next year, playing in the right conditions for the first half of the season. Green and company need to forgot about wins and work on developing the players. Think 3 - 4 years from now.

Also us fans needs to relax on teh kids, if he puts up 20 - 30 points and plays both ends of the rink properly I am happy with that.

Really really want to see Julio on the team next year, pair him up with Tanev on the 2nd pairing and let him learn.
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Gee, Reef; Your as adept as anyone in selecting post chopping now.
Didn't you use to hate that? :mrgreen:
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micky107 wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:14 am As always, more, (as in simplistic), explanation needed.
Wasn't even thinking about Utica. :roll:
He's just coming off a hell of a long, record breaking, season. High intensity, high emotion.
So like sure, let him play his ass off at the Worlds.
Think maybe there might be some pissed-off players there?
Has that been the case in the past?
Ya. Push the kid to the limit. Let'a see what he's made of.

Guess my ideas on asset management differ from most.

Oh, and muscle isn't something that should be forced. To do so is ignorant and detrimental to over-all health and advancement.
Why would there be pissed off players, the kid is deserved. He is likely the SHL rookie of the year, led the league in scoring on both the regular season and playoffs, set records for U20 players in the process, was named playoff MVP.....and there's probably more! If any players are pissed off they aren't, they'll be envious and that's no reason to keep the country's best prospect off the team.

I have no idea if players have been pissed off in the past!

However, looking at last years rosters Ivan Provorov played for Russia, Joel Erikkson Ek played for Sweden, Jordan Greenway, Noah Hanafin, Charlie McAvoy, and Clayton Keller all played for the US, Mitch Marner and Travis Konecny played for Canada, Sebastian Aho and Jesse Puljujarvi played for Finland. What do these players have in common? They played in the 2017 World Championships and were born in 1997. Technically Clayton Keller is a 98 and I'm not actually sure how he played because I thought you had to turn 20 the year of the tournament in order to qualify, but not the point.

Elias was born in 1998.

No one is saying he needs to force muscle growth, but he has plenty of time when the WC are done near the end of May to have a good offseason. That's 3 full months of training.

If he plays in the WC he'll be pushing an NHL like schedule with amount of games he's played, I don't see a problem with that at all!
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Reefer2 wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:48 am Green and company need to forgot about wins
Oh yes, let's teach the kids that winning is not important. :roll:
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Strangelove wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:18 am
Reefer2 wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:48 am Green and company need to forgot about wins
Oh yes, let's teach the kids that winning is not important. :roll:
sigh - talking to you is like to talking to a 5 year old, you take things to literal. Of course wins are important and they will come later, right now he needs to develop players and give them some chances to learn at the right time. Give them a OF or DF faceoff when you normally send out the more mature vet, AGAIN when the time is right. Does that explain it better?
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micky107 wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:06 am Gee, Reef; Your as adept as anyone in selecting post chopping now.
Didn't you use to hate that? :mrgreen:
He should play for his country, learn from some more vets. Plus it does not hurt when the Canucks are looking at other Swedish/FA and how they treat their fellow country men. I thought someone said he played in NA before but i cannot see it in his stats. I really hope he is on the team next year, playing in the right conditions for the first half of the season. Green and company need to forgot about wins and work on developing the players. Think 3 - 4 years from now. Also us fans needs to relax on teh kids, if he puts up 20 - 30 points and plays both ends of the rink properly I am happy with that. Really really want to see Julio on the team next year, pair him up with Tanev on the 2nd pairing and let him learn
Is that better 8-)
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To be honest; Instead of a summer full of off-ice training programs, I like to hear about these groups of pros that get together and get
as much "on-ice" time as they can.
Off ice training can be of some assistance but at the end of the day, if you want strong wrists to shoot the puck harder,
then get out on the ice and shoot a lot of pucks.
Of course a good nutritionist is a very good thing but that can, unwisely chosen, be a disaster.
This is an area where the home-team should try and stay involved if at all possible.
That isn't easy though.
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Just leave this right here for ole mick:
https://thecanuckway.com/2018/04/24/van ... pionships/

And he's a 99.

Maybe he should stay here and train tho. :hmmm:
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Somebody actually gets paid for writing this stuff? :shock:
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Aaronp18 wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:17 am
micky107 wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:14 am As always, more, (as in simplistic), explanation needed.
Wasn't even thinking about Utica. :roll:
He's just coming off a hell of a long, record breaking, season. High intensity, high emotion.
So like sure, let him play his ass off at the Worlds.
Think maybe there might be some pissed-off players there?
Has that been the case in the past?
Ya. Push the kid to the limit. Let'a see what he's made of.

Guess my ideas on asset management differ from most.

Oh, and muscle isn't something that should be forced. To do so is ignorant and detrimental to over-all health and advancement.
Why would there be pissed off players, the kid is deserved. He is likely the SHL rookie of the year, led the league in scoring on both the regular season and playoffs, set records for U20 players in the process, was named playoff MVP.....and there's probably more! If any players are pissed off they aren't, they'll be envious and that's no reason to keep the country's best prospect off the team.

I have no idea if players have been pissed off in the past!

However, looking at last years rosters Ivan Provorov played for Russia, Joel Erikkson Ek played for Sweden, Jordan Greenway, Noah Hanafin, Charlie McAvoy, and Clayton Keller all played for the US, Mitch Marner and Travis Konecny played for Canada, Sebastian Aho and Jesse Puljujarvi played for Finland. What do these players have in common? They played in the 2017 World Championships and were born in 1997. Technically Clayton Keller is a 98 and I'm not actually sure how he played because I thought you had to turn 20 the year of the tournament in order to qualify, but not the point.

Elias was born in 1998.

No one is saying he needs to force muscle growth, but he has plenty of time when the WC are done near the end of May to have a good offseason. That's 3 full months of training.

If he plays in the WC he'll be pushing an NHL like schedule with amount of games he's played, I don't see a problem with that at all!
Also the world championship is more about partying than the actual playing of hockey.
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Reefer2 wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:52 am
Strangelove wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:18 am
Reefer2 wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:48 am Green and company need to forgot about wins
Oh yes, let's teach the kids that winning is not important. :roll:
sigh - talking to you is like to talking to a 5 year old, you take things to literal. Of course wins are important and they will come later, right now he needs to develop players and give them some chances to learn at the right time. Give them a OF or DF faceoff when you normally send out the more mature vet, AGAIN when the time is right. Does that explain it better?
Yes I'm 5 years old because I challenged you on "forget about wins"! :lol:

I guess the "Think 3 - 4 years" part threw me.

Sorry dad, if I were 6 years old I would have known you didn't actually mean "forget about wins"...
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Strangelove wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:28 pm
Reefer2 wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:52 am
Strangelove wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:18 am
Reefer2 wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:48 am Green and company need to forgot about wins
Oh yes, let's teach the kids that winning is not important. :roll:
sigh - talking to you is like to talking to a 5 year old, you take things to literal. Of course wins are important and they will come later, right now he needs to develop players and give them some chances to learn at the right time. Give them a OF or DF faceoff when you normally send out the more mature vet, AGAIN when the time is right. Does that explain it better?
Yes I'm 5 years old because I challenged you on "forget about wins"! :lol:

I guess the "Think 3 - 4 years" part threw me.

Sorry dad, if I were 6 years old I would have known you didn't actually mean "forget about wins"...
Doc and literal is a very arbitrary thing. It's what works in the moment. :lol:

Remember, doc doesn't move the goalposts, he just never clearly defines them. :lol:
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micky107 wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:11 am To be honest; Instead of a summer full of off-ice training programs, I like to hear about these groups of pros that get together and get
as much "on-ice" time as they can.
Off ice training can be of some assistance but at the end of the day, if you want strong wrists to shoot the puck harder,
then get out on the ice and shoot a lot of pucks.
Of course a good nutritionist is a very good thing but that can, unwisely chosen, be a disaster.
This is an area where the home-team should try and stay involved if at all possible.
That isn't easy though.
And no NHL team has offered you a contract yet??? Overall strength, core strength and conditioning/endurance are all off-ice.
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No-Way. Don't believe it.
It's all about money and how to extract it from players by making them think they need expensive off-ice programs.

It's just like "energy drinks" are good for athletes.
May as well drink poison!

It's the money they bring. It's freaking huge.

Look at how fragile modern day tennis players are.
It's a joke.
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micky107 wrote: Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:01 am Look at how fragile modern day tennis players are.
It's a joke.
You are saying that tennis players are fragile because they mainly practice off ice? :|

Of course, Björn Borg was an excellent skater, and probably would have made the WJC roster had he not decided to focus on tennis, but I had no idea ice practice was considered that important for tennis players in general.
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