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Re: Time to Change the Oil.

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The Island Nucklefarm Business Report. Take that to the Bank Folks, no agenda with this massively bold prediction at all. :lol:

The Oilers for nearly a decade were the disgrace of the league. It took them 4 first overall picks to finally get it right. Re-tool on the fly, so wrong. But hey IN is smarter than your Ken Hollands.
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RoyalDude wrote:The Island Nucklefarm Business Report. Take that to the Bank Folks, no agenda with this massively bold prediction at all. :lol:
Says the guy who boldly predicts we are 1-2 years away from feeling good about the direction of the franchise.
The Oilers for nearly a decade were the disgrace of the league. It took them 4 first overall picks to finally get it right. Re-tool on the fly, so wrong. But hey IN is smarter than your Ken Hollands.
So "re-tool on the fly" worked? The Canucks have been "flying" these past couple seasons? You're a beaut dude.
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If anyone thinks there was any skill or plan involved in the Oilers getting out of the toilet, give your head a shake.

The McDavid year, they pooched their tank and wound up with 3rd-best odds to get #1.

If the Oilers had been stuck drafting Eichel, Strome, Marner, Hanifin or (with true canuck luck) Zacha, does anyone seriously think they'd be back in the playoffs any time in the next 3 years?
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The Oilers for nearly a decade were the disgrace of the league. It took them 4 first overall picks to finally get it right. Re-tool on the fly, so wrong. But hey IN is smarter than your Ken Hollands.
So "re-tool on the fly" worked? The Canucks have been "flying" these past couple seasons? You're a beaut dude.
Well, it worked in the sense that the roster has been re-made from top to bottom in 3 years with only 4 players remaining on the roster, only missed the playoffs twice, and have drastically improved the quality and depth of the farm system.

Given the way the fanbase has reacted to two years out of the playoffs, its quite clear that tanking all-out for the past 3 years wouldn't have been accepted. :lol:
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Re: Time to Change the Oil.

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Any team with 3 or 4 different versions of the rebuild is bound to get it right eventually....

Any team that is lucky enough to get the top draw when the best prospect since Crosby is on the board has even a better chance....

That's all it took to get right...

To be sure, the Oilers did some decent things last offseason that made the most of this luck. Larsson was a decent add at a high price (one of their #1s who actually was a decent player). I don't think there are many hockey followers that didn't know the Oilers plan was always a mess because it ignored entirely defense and they were unwilling to trade a forward for good defensive players. The deal worked, but there was a time where RNH, Eberle, or even Yakapov might have landed a player of Larsson's caliber (which is good and solid, but not an all situations #1). [There might be people out there who think RNH is better overall than Hall considering that hockey is played at both ends of the rink; I don't agree, but I see the argument].

But it was Cam Talbot -- who I admit to being completely wrong about -- who was the big add last year. I went from thinking he was at best a tandem tweener to thinking he has the stuff to be a top 10 keeper for a long time.

Still, the Oilers haven't proven much yet. One season in the playoffs earning the same number of points as the broken Habs. Its a good start; they have assembled a good team that I think can duplicate that performance. But a top Cup Contender? Seems like wishful thinking, and if possible, it is only because the stalwarts in the west are showing signs of decline and there is no more Goliath.
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ESQ wrote:If anyone thinks there was any skill or plan involved in the Oilers getting out of the toilet, give your head a shake.

The McDavid year, they pooched their tank and wound up with 3rd-best odds to get #1.

If the Oilers had been stuck drafting Eichel, Strome, Marner, Hanifin or (with true canuck luck) Zacha, does anyone seriously think they'd be back in the playoffs any time in the next 3 years?
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The Oilers for nearly a decade were the disgrace of the league. It took them 4 first overall picks to finally get it right. Re-tool on the fly, so wrong. But hey IN is smarter than your Ken Hollands.
So "re-tool on the fly" worked? The Canucks have been "flying" these past couple seasons? You're a beaut dude.
Well, it worked in the sense that the roster has been re-made from top to bottom in 3 years with only 4 players remaining on the roster, only missed the playoffs twice, and have drastically improved the quality and depth of the farm system.

Given the way the fanbase has reacted to two years out of the playoffs, its quite clear that tanking all-out for the past 3 years wouldn't have been accepted. :lol:
Yeah no... the fanbase has reacted to poor asset management and a lack of a plan. But by all means please make shit up.
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UWSaint wrote:
But it was Cam Talbot -- who I admit to being completely wrong about -- who was the big add last year. I went from thinking he was at best a tandem tweener to thinking he has the stuff to be a top 10 keeper for a long time.
Definitely...coupled with Draisaitl emerging in parallel to McD.
The defense was still a major weakness, particularly getting the puck up to Connor & Co. Imagine if they could add a top talent to their back end.
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UWSaint wrote:
Still, the Oilers haven't proven much yet. One season in the playoffs earning the same number of points as the broken Habs. Its a good start; they have assembled a good team that I think can duplicate that performance. But a top Cup Contender? Seems like wishful thinking, and if possible, it is only because the stalwarts in the west are showing signs of decline and there is no more Goliath.
To be fair when the Canucks were good for four or five years, their competition in the West was fairly mediocre other than the Hawks. It's all about timing. I maintain that the 09 Canucks with Sundin and Mitchell were the 2nd best team they had out of those five playoff runs. A couple of blunders and bad bounces kept them out of the conference finals against a less than stellar Wings team.
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Blob Mckenzie wrote:
ESQ wrote: Given the way the fanbase has reacted to two years out of the playoffs, its quite clear that tanking all-out for the past 3 years wouldn't have been accepted. :lol:
Yeah no... the fanbase has reacted to poor asset management and a lack of a plan.
Yeah, I think that's a big part of the frustration. The "Canucks fans can't handle a rebuild" mantra is the same condescending garbage management tried to trot out when they were selling something nobody was buying. I wonder how the franchise will ever survive this rebuild :lol:
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Re: Time to Change the Oil.

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Island Nucklehead wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
ESQ wrote: Well, it worked in the sense that the roster has been re-made from top to bottom in 3 years with only 4 players remaining on the roster, only missed the playoffs twice, and have drastically improved the quality and depth of the farm system.

Given the way the fanbase has reacted to two years out of the playoffs, its quite clear that tanking all-out for the past 3 years wouldn't have been accepted. :lol:
Yeah no... the fanbase has reacted to poor asset management and a lack of a plan.
Yeah, I think that's a big part of the frustration.
Listen, you two are definitely entitled to your retarded opinion.

But can you see how said retarded opinion contrasts with that of the poster to whom you are responding?

Of course you can't.... but hey keep restating your retarded opinion until it becomes your reality amirite? :mrgreen:
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Lol great comeback Trevor.

"the fans can't handle a rebuild" said a captain who humiliated himself on home ice in the 96 games playoffs vs the Avs. Yeah I can see why Doc and Dud would get behind a fella like that . Yuck !!!
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Blob Mckenzie wrote: Lol great comeback Trevor.
UMMM it's not a "comeback" if I was not involved in the prior conversation there El Tardo. :lol:
Blob Mckenzie wrote: "the fans can't handle a rebuild" said a captain who humiliated himself on home ice in the 96 games playoffs vs the Avs.
'96 playoffs vs the Avs?

I do believe Trevor scored 4 goals + 4 assists in that series.

Not surprised you decided to change the subject, great comeback! :mrgreen:
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And he got ragdolled and bullied by Claude Lemieux in front of the hometown fans. Real Captain he was !!
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Re: Time to Change the Oil.

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*sigh*

Let's try this again...
Island Nucklehead wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
ESQ wrote: Well, it worked in the sense that the roster has been re-made from top to bottom in 3 years with only 4 players remaining on the roster, only missed the playoffs twice, and have drastically improved the quality and depth of the farm system.

Given the way the fanbase has reacted to two years out of the playoffs, its quite clear that tanking all-out for the past 3 years wouldn't have been accepted. :lol:
Yeah no... the fanbase has reacted to poor asset management and a lack of a plan.
Yeah, I think that's a big part of the frustration.
ESQ clearly stated there has been good asset management + plan (I painted it red).

You and Tweedledum appeared to completely miss that whilst stating the opposite.

Are you capable of a coherent conversation or was Iceman right about you? :mex:
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ESQ can say there is good asset management just like I can say that Edith Bunker was hot. The thing is we are bith full of shit. Elmer has not been good at managing his assets or the cap no matter how many times you say he has. You and ESQ are out to lunch.
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Re: Time to Change the Oil.

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Blob Mckenzie wrote: The thing is we are both full of shit.
I disagree, ESQ is not full of shit!
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