The Rebuild...

[SKYO]

Fuck. That. Shit.
You don't burn a fucking draft pick to keep Hansen just to keep the Sedins happy. You trade Hansen to get a draft pick.....probably a 2nd plus. You been into the carfentanyl a few times recently SKYO?

Already said that.

Everyone knows I've packaged up Hansen in a lot of trade ideals already LoL.
Get a 1st done.
2nd + prospect done.
Higher end prospect go for gold.

But yeah we can't lose Hansen for nothing at the expansion draft, so if you can't get good value for him, either you trade a player to get a pick to protect him for next year, then you could trade Hansen much easier this time next year, lots of scenarios.

first off, you think wrong. Burrows is one of the few puck retrievers we have. IF we trade him and lose/ trade Hansen, well, we see how the rest of the team goes into the corners and gets pucks...

I hate to disagree (but I do like how 'the entire Canuck nation' just became 90%!!), but (staying in reality for a moment) Burrows belongs to us, and is 100% in control of weather or not he is traded.. if you seriously think the 3rd (if we are lucky) round pick he brings back is going to change the direction of the team in the next year or so, I truly think you are mistaken. Yes, he could have been moved before, but that's not what we are discussing. I am simply commenting on the gross exaggeration of your message. I am not against moving him, in fact, I would like to get an asset back for him then resign him here in the off season (1 year contacts- like the wings do to old guys like Bertuzzi) as he is still better than what we have coming through the system and has value in that 3rd/4th line utility guy

read my entire answer.. I am all for trading Burrows. I was saying your overstating the importance of it.

You are saying a lot of things regarding Burrows, but you are making a big deal on how to keep him in the organization as a valuable 3rd/4th liner. And I think you are overstating his importance, he's a veteran checker/pest whose great at the PK.

Looking at next years roster if we lose both Hansen and Burrows with NOT making any moves:

Sedins - Eriksson
Baertschi - Horvat - Virtanen
Granlund - Sutter - Boeser
Gaunce - Chaput - Dorsett

Both hansen/burrows are gritty checkers whose contracts are almost done.

Virtanen is bigger/younger/cheaper than Burrows and JV had good chemistry with Baertschi and Horvat & hopefully with a new coach a solid offseason JV could getr going next season (fuck it no choice but to give him a shot next season, nothing to lose)
Boeser has more skill than Hansen, Eriksson provides a better net presence than either, Dorsett provides as much grit/energy as Hansen and is also a veteran utility guy, then there is Gaunce who seems to be an analytics favourite, he also has superb checking ability - it's what he's known for he also has some untapped offense potential.

To reiterate that's with losing them both for nothing.

Having said that I believe the team will make a deal to get a big winger, they've been trying to do that since last year with trying to get Evander Kane but TM wanted overpayment as does pretty much every other GM, but with the expansion draft out of the way, I think moves will open up.

And we could land a college UFA as well like Gaudette's winger, lots of things can happen from now till next season, which is why I prefer to trade Burrows for a pick and just let him go.

[Strangelove]

"They will have to have two forwards available for selection who are a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons."

That means at least two of Dorsett, Skille, Megna and Chaput must be available. If Dorsett is still on IR he doesn't count. But wait, Skille, Megna and Chaput are not under contract for next year. So Benning has a little work to do to make sure he is in compliance. Simple as extended the above mentioned three to one year deals.

Not sure if Boucher will qualify. He won't get 40 games here and I'm too lazy to look and see if he will have 70 last year and this. Is he under contract next year?

Sorry, I guess Gaunce will qualify.

Gaunce, Chaput, … and possibly Boucher (if he plays 12 more games).

Dorsett doesn’t qualify under the “injured 60 games” exemption imo.

(this is the “potential career-ending injury” exemption)

So that’s three (four if Boucher plays 12 more games).

Megna and Skille, as you mentioned, would also count if extended another year.

As you know, only 2 forwards must meet this requirement, so we’re beyond good in this department.

[Hockey Widow]

As long as we have two, didn't realize Chaput qualified, then I'm all for trading anyone else. If Skille gets us a 6th or 7th rounder, same with Megna, then I say move them. There could be teams that need players to expose and they might be interested in taking one of those guys and extending them a year. But those deals may have to wait until after the regular season is done.

If we can get better picks for Gaunce, Boucher or Chaput I'm all for moving 1-2 of them and extending Skille or Megna if need be.

Benning and the Canucks are in a great position heading into the expansion draft. Just a little tweaking/asset management by Benning is needed. We really won't lose anyone of significance , which is great. And we have some assets on the cheap to trade to help other teams be in compliance if needed.

A sour silver lining

[Mickey107]

Whatever happens between now and camp in September, I'm pretty sure we will be even younger.
A 2 to 3 year process is not illogical, it's actually quite quick.
We will not be a playoff team this year and that is all but official.
But what about next year?
I listen to people.
I listen to the media.
I listen to the fans talking through the media.
Keep hearing this: I don't care about the first round of the playoffs! We'll just lose anyways. Better to finish low and get a higher pick.
OK, as of this year, we'll have done that twice, I think that's enough.

We won't be a cup contender next year, at least not thought to be.
Even if it is only the first round, It means one hell of a lot to a player that's never been there.
It's a goal. It's a dream. It, in itself, is another stepping stone.

Time to take it next year. IMO, it will speed things up, not slow them down.

[Strangelove]

Whatever happens between now and camp in September, I'm pretty sure we will be even younger.
A 2 to 3 year process is not illogical, it's actually quite quick.
We will not be a playoff team this year and that is all but official.
But what about next year?
I listen to people.
I listen to the media.
I listen to the fans talking through the media.
Keep hearing this: I don't care about the first round of the playoffs! We'll just lose anyways. Better to finish low and get a higher pick.
OK, as of this year, we'll have done that twice, I think that's enough.

We won't be a cup contender next year, at least not thought to be.
Even if it is only the first round, It means one hell of a lot to a player that's never been there.
It's a goal. It's a dream. It, in itself, is another stepping stone.

Time to take it next year. IMO, it will speed things up, not slow them down.

Agreed, nice post.

[2Fingers]

Whatever happens between now and camp in September, I'm pretty sure we will be even younger.
A 2 to 3 year process is not illogical, it's actually quite quick.
We will not be a playoff team this year and that is all but official.
But what about next year?
I listen to people.
I listen to the media.
I listen to the fans talking through the media.
Keep hearing this: I don't care about the first round of the playoffs! We'll just lose anyways. Better to finish low and get a higher pick.
OK, as of this year, we'll have done that twice, I think that's enough.

We won't be a cup contender next year, at least not thought to be.
Even if it is only the first round, It means one hell of a lot to a player that's never been there.
It's a goal. It's a dream. It, in itself, is another stepping stone.

Time to take it next year. IMO, it will speed things up, not slow them down.

And how is this to happen?

Of course we want to see the team make the playoffs but this team cannot score goals and unless they make a significant trade this won't change soon.

[Chef Boi RD]

People, we have some excellent prospects on the way - Boeser, Demko, Juolevi, Gaudette, Brisebios and yes Jake Virtanen (not writing him off yet)

Who gives a rats ass about the Deadline. It's a shitty draft class. Staying - Miller (Love Miller, great vet in the room for the kids) and Hansen (love the Honey Badger and he loves Vancouver). Going - maybe Burrows ( I don't see him coming back).

The real deals will be made leading up to the Expansion Draft and the Entry Draft and July 1st. So what, we expose one of Baertschi or Granlund, whoopdie doo. Expose Sbisa or Gudbranson, whoopdie doo. We are only going to lose one player. The team is not enough out of it to be a bonafide seller. And wow, one trade so far - Stone to the Flames. Does that not tell you, making a deal in todays Expansion Draft Climate is not going to be easy. Ya need a dancing partner.

Don't listen to Bubbles, he's Menopausing. He's in that age bracket.

[Mickey107]

Whatever happens between now and camp in September, I'm pretty sure we will be even younger.
A 2 to 3 year process is not illogical, it's actually quite quick.
We will not be a playoff team this year and that is all but official.
But what about next year?
I listen to people.
I listen to the media.
I listen to the fans talking through the media.
Keep hearing this: I don't care about the first round of the playoffs! We'll just lose anyways. Better to finish low and get a higher pick.
OK, as of this year, we'll have done that twice, I think that's enough.

We won't be a cup contender next year, at least not thought to be.
Even if it is only the first round, It means one hell of a lot to a player that's never been there.
It's a goal. It's a dream. It, in itself, is another stepping stone.

Time to take it next year. IMO, it will speed things up, not slow them down.

And how is this to happen?

Of course we want to see the team make the playoffs but this team cannot score goals and unless they make a significant trade this won't change soon.

Reef, we probably could have eked in this year had just a couple of things been only a little different.
We will get a high pick again, this year. The difference between 6th and 13th in our conference isn't as much as you may think.
My point was that it's time to go for it next year, (in earnest) !!!
When I say making the playoffs will speed things up, that means a taste, (or more), of ultra meaningful hockey for young players to experience.
Also, (very important). Put Vancouver back on the map as being a desirable place to come.
Good young team on the rise, type of mindset..

[Island Nucklehead]

So what, we expose one of Baertschi or Granlund, whoopdie doo. Expose Sbisa or Gudbranson, whoopdie doo. We are only going to lose one player. The team is not enough out of it to be a bonafide seller. And wow, one trade so far - Stone to the Flames. Does that not tell you, making a deal in todays Expansion Draft Climate is not going to be easy. Ya need a dancing partner.

If the Canucks expose Gudbranson, it would be certainly not "whoopdie doo". Dump McCann and Asplund for half a season of Gudbranson? Even Benning's not that stupid.

[Chef Boi RD]

So what, we expose one of Baertschi or Granlund, whoopdie doo. Expose Sbisa or Gudbranson, whoopdie doo. We are only going to lose one player. The team is not enough out of it to be a bonafide seller. And wow, one trade so far - Stone to the Flames. Does that not tell you, making a deal in todays Expansion Draft Climate is not going to be easy. Ya need a dancing partner.

If the Canucks expose Gudbranson, it would be certainly not "whoopdie doo". Dump McCann and Asplund for half a season of Gudbranson? Even Benning's not that stupid.

Sorry to rain on your parade but McCann's development isn't looking too good. Cue in the "should have drafted Pastrnak"

Asplund is a guaranteed stud but Juolevi is a bum?

[Island Nucklehead]

Sorry to rain on your parade but McCann's development isn't looking too good.

So why did Genius draft him?

"should have drafted Pastrnak"

Agreed.

Asplund is a guaranteed stud but Juolevi is a bum?

Asplund made your buddy Button's top-50.

And who said Juolevi is a bum?

Wouldn't look good on old Jimbo to pay such a high price in picks/prospects for a guy that gets left unprotected a year later. Like I said, he's not that stupid. Gudbranson is a foundational player.

[Chef Boi RD]

I could probably explain why we drafted McCann as well as you could explain why Gillis drafted Hodgson, Schroeder and Jensen.

Gillis should have drafted Kuznetsov or Coyle instead of trading the 1st pick for Ballard
Gillis should have drafted Eric Karlsson instead of Hodgson

round round we go

Gudbranson most likely will not be left exposed. Shouldn't be piling on an injured player. Me Bad. I take it back IslandFarms.

[Island Nucklehead]

I could probably explain why we drafted McCann as well as you could explain why Gillis drafted Hodgson, Schroeder and Jensen.

Not much of a genius if you're putting him on equal footing with Gillis.

[Chef Boi RD]

I could probably explain why we drafted McCann as well as you could explain why Gillis drafted Hodgson, Schroeder and Jensen.

Not much of a genius if you're putting him on equal footing with Gillis.

Well now come on there Farmhand. Lets see how Jimbo does over 6 drafts. I wouldn't be off the mark that what Jim has done in just 3 drafts is a helluva lot better than what Gillis did in 6

Only Horvat and Gaunce of the 13 first and 2nd round picks Gillis had are with the Vancouver Canucks. Regarding Gaunce, well lets just say no tears will be shed if he isn't on the team next year as he is at best 4th line centre material, at best! Anyhow Gillis drafting record in the 1st 2 rounds is just fucking brutal! No excuses whatsoever! What did Gillis hit there, what's his average in the first and 2nd rounds?

Hell, nevermind high picks Virtanen and Juolevi. Because Demko, Boeser, Gaudette, Brisebios, Tryamkin, Lockwood, MacKenzie, Neill etc., alone kick the pants off of whatever lame ass drafting Gillis did for us.

[Island Nucklehead]

I could probably explain why we drafted McCann as well as you could explain why Gillis drafted Hodgson, Schroeder and Jensen.

Not much of a genius if you're putting him on equal footing with Gillis.

Well now come on there Farmhand. Lets see how Jimbo does over 6 drafts. I wouldn't be off the mark that what Jim has done in just 3 drafts is a helluva lot better than what Gillis did in 6

And I would agree with you. Gillis' drafting record was horrible. Benning has some promising picks. He's also had far better draft position than Gillis ever did, because his teams are much worse at winning hockey games.