The Official Dave Ayres CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

[Hockey Widow]

CBA question there.....

If Stamkos is traded at the deadline, can the team he goes to offer the 8 year extension as technically he would be signing an extension and not a new contract with a new team?

Technically it's not an extension. It's a new contract that takes effect once the old one expires. We all still use the extension language but extensions were prohibited under the CBA when the cap came in. Since the cap is the average over the duration of the contract you can't have an extension. What you have is a player who is eligible to negotiate a new contract in their final contract year, that takes effect immediately upon expiration of the old contract.

The only team that can offer an 8 year term is the team holding the players rights. What I am unclear about is if a team who last held a players rights can offer 8 years once the player becomes UFA on July 1st, or if that window only exists until he becomes FA. So if Tampa fails to get Stamkos a new deal and he plays out the season in Tampa, and becomes UFA in July, can Tampa still offer him 8 years? Or for that matter if he is traded can the new team offer him 8 years after July 1?

[BigTuna]

Stamkos won't be traded. And the only way he stays in Tampa is if they give hi 8 years/80 million.

You're kidding yourself if you think that Yzerman is going to let Stamkos walk for nothing.

Stamkos has a NTC and according to all reports, will not leave. It's not Yzerman's decision. He is going nowhere.
And you're delusional if you think any team will give-up 2 first rounders for a UFA.
Yzerman also gives up a chance at a cup by trading Stamkos.

Would you care to link us to all of these "reports".....I've seen nothing that says Stamkos is unwilling to waive his NMC.

Stamkos only hurts his own market value by refusing to accept a trade when he has no intention of re-signing in Tampa. The only reason for him to do that is if it's some personal grudge or vendetta that he's got with the owners or Stevie Y.....and that just makes future negotiators wary and less willing to hand out trade protection. He'll get paid, no question, but it won't be quite as easy.

And most teams would give up a pair of 1st round picks for a multiple 50 goal scoring center who is 25 years old. And most GM's worth their salt won't give up even a single 1st round pick for a pending UFA without getting permission to speak with the player or his agent first, and if something is worked out beforehand then paying a steep price is plausible.

I would say that Yzerman likely ends up in a situation like the one Benning landed in with Kesler in 2014. The player will only go a couple places (or one?) and the GM has to take it up the ass just to get something for said player.

His own agent hinted that Stamkos holds all the cards at the deadline.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/stam ... act-talks/

[BigTuna]

Great trade by the leaves yet again.

Yeah, they traded a solid offensive, physical top-4 dee... for a 2nd in 2017!

Oh and 3 cap-dumps...

Oh NOW he's solid.

Those cap dumps' contracts end next year. Dion has 5 more years of that contract you were convinced would never be moved.

[BigTuna]

If T-Bay loses SS they'll be all over the free agent market this summer.

Good luck. He's the only good thing available.

[Strangelove]

Great trade by the leaves yet again.

Yeah, they traded a solid offensive, physical top-4 dee... for a 2nd in 2017!

Oh and 3 cap-dumps...

Oh NOW he's solid.

Those cap dumps' contracts end next year. Dion has 5 more years of that contract you were convinced would never be moved.

I always said Phaneuf was a solid #3 at the very least (even on a contender).

After the 3 cap-dumps ($10M) expire, Dion will be owed $25.5M real dollars over the last 4 years of his contract.

Yeah, they traded a solid offensive, physical top-4 dee... for a 2nd in 2017!

The Leaves are by far now the worst team in the NHL...

[Strangelove]

If T-Bay loses SS they'll be all over the free agent market this summer.

Good luck. He's the only good thing available.

So what will the Leaves do with all that cap-space?

[BigTuna]

Great trade by the leaves yet again.

Yeah, they traded a solid offensive, physical top-4 dee... for a 2nd in 2017!

Oh and 3 cap-dumps...

Oh NOW he's solid.

Those cap dumps' contracts end next year. Dion has 5 more years of that contract you were convinced would never be moved.

I always said Phaneuf was a solid #3 at the very least (even on a contender).

After the 3 cap-dumps ($10M) expire, Dion will be owed $25.5M real dollars over the last 4 years of his contract.

Yeah, they traded a solid offensive, physical top-4 dee... for a 2nd in 2017!

The Leaves are by far now the worst team in the NHL...

I like how you turn the conversation into "Real Dollars" and not cap hit. After next season they save 7 million per on cap space for the next 4 years.
The leaves being the worst team is the entire point. They're going to add a heck of a great prospect and then have the best prospect pool in the entire NHL.

[BigTuna]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/ ... -the-year/

[Rocky Dennis]

The leaves being the worst team is the entire point. They're going to add a heck of a great prospect and then have the best prospect pool in the entire NHL.

Why do you continually grasp at straws? Year after year. It's pathetic and funny how far the mighty leaves have fallen with you the last few years. Weren't you trying to convince us all they were a legit up and coming cup contender not all that long ago even though the possession stats said their modicum of success was unsustainable. And then that classic all-world playoff collapse against the Bruins. But you'd have us think that was an anamoly and the leaves possessed the two best goalies in the world. So you preached they were a playoff lock. And so on and so on further down the spiral. I'm paraphrasing and not gonna bother checking the archives but I think its safe to say I'm in the ballpark when saying these were the gist of most of your posts. Now you're rock bottom and still trying to shine this absolute turd of a franchise. Pure comedy. But what else should we expect from a clown. Ask edmonton how having the "best pool of prospects" in the league has been working out for them. Im sure the Dude or some other prospect afficianado will also set you straight on who actually does own the best prospect pool. I'm wagering its not the smurf laden leaves. I guess I'm wondering if you ever admit you're wrong or is schilling for the leaves in your inbred troll dna?

[BigTuna]

The leaves being the worst team is the entire point. They're going to add a heck of a great prospect and then have the best prospect pool in the entire NHL.

Why do you continually grasp at straws? Year after year. It's pathetic and funny how far the mighty leaves have fallen with you the last few years. Weren't you trying to convince us all they were a legit up and coming cup contender not all that long ago even though the possession stats said their modicum of success was unsustainable. And then that classic all-world playoff collapse against the Bruins. But you'd have us think that was an anamoly and the leaves possessed the two best goalies in the world. So you preached they were a playoff lock. And so on and so on further down the spiral. I'm paraphrasing and not gonna bother checking the archives but I think its safe to say I'm in the ballpark when saying these were the gist of most of your posts. Now you're rock bottom and still trying to shine this absolute turd of a franchise. Pure comedy. But what else should we expect from a clown. Ask edmonton how having the "best pool of prospects" in the league has been working out for them. Im sure the Dude or some other prospect afficianado will also set you straight on who actually does own the best prospect pool. I'm wagering its not the smurf laden leaves. I guess I'm wondering if you ever admit you're wrong or is schilling for the leaves in your inbred troll dna?

Edmonton can only draft in the first round. The leaves 2015 draft looks brilliant.

[Strangelove]

I like how you turn the conversation into "Real Dollars" and not cap hit.

I was looking at it from the budget-conscious Sens point of view.

$6.4M per year for Phaneuf over the last 4 years of the contract.

The leaves being the worst team is the entire point. They're going to add a heck of a great prospect...

Rocky is right, 2 years ago you said being "a contender" is the entire point

... and that Kessel/Phaneuf/Bernier were going to lead you to the promised land!

Your latest delusion is that the Leaves have a great prospect pool.

They don't.

You should burn all your Leaves paraphernalia, move to Tibet, and become a vow-of-silence monk.

[BigTuna]

I like how you turn the conversation into "Real Dollars" and not cap hit.

I was looking at it from the budget-conscious Sens point of view.

$6.4M per year for Phaneuf over the last 4 years of the contract.

The leaves being the worst team is the entire point. They're going to add a heck of a great prospect...

Rocky is right, 2 years ago you said being "a contender" is the entire point

... and that Kessel/Phaneuf/Bernier were going to lead you to the promised land!

Your latest delusion is that the Leaves have a great prospect pool.

They don't.

You should burn all your Leaves paraphernalia, move to Tibet, and become a vow-of-silence monk.

Of course you're looking at it from Ottawa's point of view. But in Toronto's point of view, eliminating 7 million for each of 4 years is huge. Especially with the cap going down next year as speculated.

Go to any website. The leaves are a top 5 NHL prospect pool. I guarantee by June they are consensus #1. It IS a great prospect pool. Far, far better than the Canucks.
Here's one, Toronto is 4th and Vancouver is only 10 spots behind.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/team-rankings/

[5thhorseman]

Ben Hutton isn't a potential first-pairing defender? Wow, whoever wrote that article really nailed it!

[Strangelove]

The leaves are a top 5 NHL prospect pool. I guarantee by June they are consensus #1. It IS a great prospect pool. Far, far better than the Canucks.

Exactly 2 years ago you guaranteed your Leaves would make the 2014 playoffs

.... then came yet another epic collapse.

We've been through this already, Leaves have 2 hyped-up wienie forward prospects... that's it.

(and one of them is already having concussion issues)

Wake the fuck up, your Leaves are going suck forever and ever amen.

[BigTuna]

Boy do the Canucks suck. And unlike the leaves, there's no future.