US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond

[Per]

I'm not saying, I'm just saying...

Nothing strange. Voter turnout is ridiculously low in US presidential elections. Typically in the low to mid 50's.
In 2020 it rose to 62.8%, which is better, but still quite low compared to other developed democracies.
Germany 2021 was 73.6%, Sweden in 2022 was 84.2%. The average for the OECD is 69%.

Voter turnout in US presidential elections, as a percentage of voting age population:
1980 - 52.8%
1984 - 53.3%
1988 - 50.3%
1992 - 55.2%
1996 - 49.0%
2000 - 50.5%
2004 - 55.7%
2008 - 57.1%
2012 - 53.8%
2016 - 54.8%
2020 - 62.8%

Obviously more people found they had a fuck to give in 2020 than in a typical US election year.

Trump got roughly the same amout of votes in 2020 and 2024.
The main difference seems to be that 13 million people who turned up to vote for Biden couldn't be bothered to go vote for Kamala.

The only strange thing about that bar chart is that it starts at 50 instead of 0, which makes the difference between the selected years look a lot more significant than it actually is. I find that kind of dishonest.

[Topper]

Trust

Joe Biden is the sharpest man in the room. Until he isn't then we'll stab him in the back.
I'm Indian, I'm black.
Kamala is our candidate ascending to the top of the ticket through a grass roots movement.
Bidenomics is working and I would not have done anything different.
The border is safe and immigration is wonderful.
What is my audience, I need to know which accent to use.
32 Days, 32 Days, 32 Days ... my teleprompter has stopped.
You black men are misogynists in your decision note to vote for a woman.
Your wives, girlfriends and daughters will all die while attempting to get abortions.
You white women are not strong enough to vote differently than your husband.
Your candidate is Hitler and you are fascists for supporting him.
You are all garbage.

Can anyone recall an economic policy?

In global news, Iran has changed their rhetoric from revenge to defense. Ukraine has embraced "Peace through Strength." Day 1 after the election, yet he doesn't take office until Jan 20th.

Will Sotomeyer retire quickly so Biden can replace her before Jan 5th? Will moderate Senators support it? Do Thomas and Alito start their retirement plans under Trump?

I suspect Biden pardons Trump and Trump pardons Hunter.

[Cornuck]

Can anyone recall an economic policy?

I heard about help for first time home owners and small business startups. those are the two things that stood out to me. Of course, if there's one thing trump is good at is baiting the media to fill up the airwaves with the stupid/angry/racist shit he says. The media played along just like before.

Of course, the Dems are absolutely, fucking horrible at messaging. They suck at overall planning and down-ballot races, and state elections. They figured that trump said enough stupid shit that nobody in their mind would vote for him, but they (as usual) misread the voting public.

[Topper]

$25k for 1st time buyers was roundly denigrated by all as only raising the price of homes. Small business grants was released as grants for Blacks to get involved in Cannabis stores. The release of these was comical.

Possibly because I went and listened to what Trump said, instead of listening to what the media said he said. I always prefer going to the source than getting a distilled version. I still come back to his interview with Lex Fridman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCbfTN-caFI&t=1780s

Yes he has comical ideas, diverting water from Canada to California (based on ideas that were being researched when I was a kid) come immediately to mind.

Given that, I am listening to the latest from Victor David Hanson for a summary of Trump's policies and actions during his first term and looking at what could be coming in the second term. Praise and criticism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AheBb-MOxy0

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[Cornuck]

Possibly because I went and listened to what Trump said, instead of listening to what the media said he said. I always prefer going to the source than getting a distilled version.

I'm glad you have the time to listen to full speeches interviews, etc.

How does what he says in the 'long version' conflict with statements like "immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country" and generally denigrates all people seeking asylum as insane, murderous, etc - it goes on, as you know. But why would want someone holding those views (or even pretending to) in the highest office?

[5thhorseman]

Trump's statements on tariffs were roundly denigrated by economists due to their massive inflationary effects. Or was he just throwing out ideas and it's not actually policy?

[Chef Boi RD]

Trump’s tariff threats are that of a child. I wonder how Americans - Topper and Doc feel about this? They must be rooting for Trump The Orange here.

[donlever]

Trump’s tariff threats are that of a child. I wonder how Americans - Topper and Doc feel about this? They must be rooting for Trump The Orange here.

Dude.

Count to ten before you post Brah.

[Chef Boi RD]

My wife is from California, has lots of family down there, the Mexicans are the hardest working people down there, doing the shit jobs the white privileged inbred hillbillies are too fucking lazy to get off their fat asses to do, it’s a fact. Can’t wait to see the dice tumble on this campaign promise.

[Chef Boi RD]

Trump's statements on tariffs were roundly denigrated by economists due to their massive inflationary effects. Or was he just throwing out ideas and it's not actually policy?

Spit ballin’, that’s how he rolls.

[Chef Boi RD]

Possibly because I went and listened to what Trump said, instead of listening to what the media said he said. I always prefer going to the source than getting a distilled version.

I'm glad you have the time to listen to full speeches interviews, etc.

How does what he says in the 'long version' conflict with statements like "immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country" and generally denigrates all people seeking asylum as insane, murderous, etc - it goes on, as you know. But why would want someone holding those views (or even pretending to) in the highest office?

Topper is dialed in. Spokane has made him a patriot. It’s his home away from home. He’s a scholar on American politics and RED to the bone.

[Chef Boi RD]

Jack White - "Trump won the popular vote. End of story. Americans chose a known, obvious fascist and now America will get whatever this wannabe dictator wants to enact from here on in. We all know what he is capable of: Project 2025, deportations, nationwide abortion ban, ending his own 2 term limit, backing Putin and his war, shutting down the Board of Education, adding to climate change, limiting LGBTQ rights, controlling the DOJ, keeping the minimum wage down, etc. etc. etc.. Any or all of it. It's absolutely dumbfounding that this con man succeeded in pulling the wool over so many Americans eyes not once, but twice. The racist, impeached, convicted felon and convicted rapist who stole national secrets and hid them in his bathroom, who told us to inject bleach, who wanted to fix hurricanes with nuclear weapons, who insulted handicap people, called military veterans suckers, who incited an insurrection that invaded the nation's capital for God sakes (!!!), the failed business man who's ventures have all gone bankrupt, a fake Christian selling bibles and sneakers like a carnival side show, etc etc etc. Christians? He's not one of you and can't cite one verse of Jesus' teachings, Immigrants? He wants you out. Veterans? He's a draft dodger. Minorities? He doesn't care about you at ALL. Union members? He's a scab. Working class Americans? He doesn't give a damn how much you're struggling. Women? You know exactly what he thinks of you. Dying on the stretcher from a miscarriage of your rapist's pregnancy? Oh well, too bad. And all those rich pricks riding in their Cybertrucks listening to their Rogan and Bannon and Alex jones podcasts are laughing all the way to the bank looking forward to their tax cuts that don't apply to the middle class. And not just with the electoral college this time, but the American people with the popular vote showed that the citizens placed him in power and now deserve whatever evils he's going to enact."

[Chef Boi RD]

Mary L Trump - “Iam so deeply sorry. I thought better of us.”

John Cusack, who has long been politically outspoken online, wrote: “The fact that the country would choose to destroy itself by voting in a convicted felon rapist and Nazi is a sign of deep nihilism. To put it mildly.”

[Megaterio Llamas]

Biden team prepares to rush last-minute aid to Ukraine

The Biden administration is planning to rush the last of over $6 billion remaining in Ukraine security assistance out the door by Inauguration Day, as the outgoing team prepares for the weapons flow to end once President-elect Donald Trump takes office.


https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/0 ... e-00187897

[Topper]

Possibly because I went and listened to what Trump said, instead of listening to what the media said he said. I always prefer going to the source than getting a distilled version.

I'm glad you have the time to listen to full speeches interviews, etc.

How does what he says in the 'long version' conflict with statements like "immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country" and generally denigrates all people seeking asylum as insane, murderous, etc - it goes on, as you know. But why would want someone holding those views (or even pretending to) in the highest office?

He's not bombastic in one on ones, it is civil conversation. Immigration, plan is to target recent illegals with criminal records and work backwards. It isn't a round up of all and he recognizes there is a lot of work to do on Dreamers and those that have been in the US for a long term and making a decent time for themselves. He's pragmatic in one on ones.

Something I previously mentioned from the Fridman interview, legalization of marijuana - probably happen, looking at a model, Florida model looks good but needs to look further. Micro dosing mushrooms - has heard of it and heard good things but didn't know much about it. Interestingly, Rogan brought up the same as a treatment for PTSD especially for Veterans.

Unreported stories of his past generosity also come out, paying off employee's mortgages, sending his plane to South Africa so Mandela and family could visit the US. His human qualities come through, most of all his humour instead of the sandbox bully 4 year old.

The Hanson podcast I listened to detailed a lot of his foreign affairs negotiates an deal making techniques.