Re: Canucks News N Notes 24-25
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:26 am
Friedman on waivers:
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Re: Canucks News N Notes 24-25
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:36 am
Re: Canucks News N Notes 24-25
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:04 pm
Excellent. Smithers.
Re: Canucks News N Notes 24-25
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:36 pm
This is an interesting move. The guy is on the opening roster. His presence on that doesn't make a hill of beans difference for LTIR flexibility (I don't think), because Canucks aren't using LTIR to start the season. He could have been waived with yesterday's flotsam and jetsam, but today's its conspicuous. There's no room in Abby and there are practice benefits in Vancouver to having 8 defensemen. Of course, you don't have to send a player to the minors who goes through waivers. Instead, it means that if they clear they don't have to go through waivers again for 30 days -- i.e., you can assign them to the AHL anytime you want (within those 30 days). So this is one explanation -- that the Canucks just want to be able to send him down anytime over the next month -- so the "competition" for the 7-8 spot continues? Because now teams are "set" but in a few weeks when we send him down there will be injuries?
Also, I'm thinking that if he clears waivers, he can be more easily traded (to a deep that wants him as depth on the farm). Consider this trade: Recognizing lack of call uppable organizational D depth in Franchise X, Canucks offer Friedman to X for a B/C level forward prospect (maybe in the AHL, maybe in juniors and signed (or unsigned), maybe drafted and unsigned in Europe or in the NCAA). Franchise X says, yes, but our intention would be to have Friedman in the AHL for at least a little while. We don't care all that much about the prospect we are giving you -- we've got 7 other guys at that position in the system that we like but everything has to break right for them to get to the show -- but we aren't giving that asset away for nothing. If you waive Friedman and he clears, we'll make the deal.
What am I missing?
Re: Canucks News N Notes 24-25
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 1:24 pm
Maybe a reward. Look you have earned an NHL job with some other team but we have no trade partners. So we will waive you and if you get picked up, we’ll thank you and good luck. Happens doing a player a solid. If he gets claimed that team will have to keep him on the roster. Or he will get Patera’d.UWSaint wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:36 pmThis is an interesting move. The guy is on the opening roster. His presence on that doesn't make a hill of beans difference for LTIR flexibility (I don't think), because Canucks aren't using LTIR to start the season. He could have been waived with yesterday's flotsam and jetsam, but today's its conspicuous. There's no room in Abby and there are practice benefits in Vancouver to having 8 defensemen. Of course, you don't have to send a player to the minors who goes through waivers. Instead, it means that if they clear they don't have to go through waivers again for 30 days -- i.e., you can assign them to the AHL anytime you want (within those 30 days). So this is one explanation -- that the Canucks just want to be able to send him down anytime over the next month -- so the "competition" for the 7-8 spot continues? Because now teams are "set" but in a few weeks when we send him down there will be injuries?
Also, I'm thinking that if he clears waivers, he can be more easily traded (to a deep that wants him as depth on the farm). Consider this trade: Recognizing lack of call uppable organizational D depth in Franchise X, Canucks offer Friedman to X for a B/C level forward prospect (maybe in the AHL, maybe in juniors and signed (or unsigned), maybe drafted and unsigned in Europe or in the NCAA). Franchise X says, yes, but our intention would be to have Friedman in the AHL for at least a little while. We don't care all that much about the prospect we are giving you -- we've got 7 other guys at that position in the system that we like but everything has to break right for them to get to the show -- but we aren't giving that asset away for nothing. If you waive Friedman and he clears, we'll make the deal.
What am I missing?
But ya, why today? Another potential deal around the corner??
Re: Canucks News N Notes 24-25
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 1:27 pm
Re: Canucks News N Notes 24-25
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 1:29 pm
Perhaps Allvin simply wants him in Abby until an injury occurs.
(or that plus roster flexibility)
Running with a 22-man roster for awhile also allows for the banking of extra cap space.
Possible they’re making a spot for a waiver claim.
(someone they like more than Friedman)
(or they want that guy plus Friedman in Abby until an injury occurs)
But yeah, it could also possibly signal an incoming trade of some kind...
Re: Canucks News N Notes 24-25
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 1:32 pm
Or they want to recall Bains of PDG.
They can run a 22 man roster but on road trips I am sure they will want full 23.
They can run a 22 man roster but on road trips I am sure they will want full 23.
Re: Canucks News N Notes 24-25
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 1:40 pm
Right: Roster flexibility.
Re: Canucks News N Notes 24-25
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 1:43 pm
Or it was a negotiation with Boston. Canucks wanted Patera back so Boston offers to do that if Canucks waive Friedman and they get a chance to claim him.
Re: Canucks News N Notes 24-25
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:40 pm
fwiw - massive log jam on D in Abby. Adding Friedman just makes it worse
Re: Canucks News N Notes 24-25
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:51 pm
Re: Canucks News N Notes 24-25
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 3:15 pm
imo yes and no. I want the Abby team to be competitive but they need to be helping prospects grow too, so they can minimize that more at the nhl level. if Friedman who lets be honest has zero growth potential, takes a spot away from a player with upside (Kudryavtsev, for example) that might not be a good thing.
Re: Canucks News N Notes 24-25
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 3:17 pm
Spiney norman would do this sort of deal for mediocre vets, I recall he did it for a goalie.
Dumping the guy who, though solid at 6/7/8, has the least upside. Weird, because Forbert was stinky until that final game. Did standing up for Sherwood gain him his spot?
Dumping the guy who, though solid at 6/7/8, has the least upside. Weird, because Forbert was stinky until that final game. Did standing up for Sherwood gain him his spot?
Re: Canucks News N Notes 24-25
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 3:29 pm
So with Barnnstrom, Friedman, Kudryavtsev, who are the other 5 d-men? They sent some guys down to the echl, and their website doesn't have the roster listed yet.Raile wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2024 3:15 pmimo yes and no. I want the Abby team to be competitive but they need to be helping prospects grow too, so they can minimize that more at the nhl level. if Friedman who lets be honest has zero growth potential, takes a spot away from a player with upside (Kudryavtsev, for example) that might not be a good thing.