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5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:29 pm No, they're not the same .

Abiogenesis and spontaneous generation both describe life arising from non-living matter, but they differ significantly:

• Abiogenesis is a scientific theory proposing that life emerged billions of years ago through gradual, natural processes involving simple organic molecules. It focuses on primitive life forms and is supported by experiments like the Miller-Urey study.

• Spontaneous generation was an outdated belief that complex organisms (e.g., maggots, mice) arose frequently and directly from non-living matter. It was disproven by experiments from Redi and Pasteur.

All Pasteur did was prove that a sterilized broth would remain sterilized if no outside contaminants were introduced. The predecessor to modern canning methods lol.

And Wald was referring to Louis Pasteur's experiment when he said spontaneous generation is scientifically impossible. Just look at your quote.

Abiogenesis and spontaneous generation are the same thing for the purposes of our conversation, to wit:

life arising from non-living matter

The only difference is one hypothetically takes billions of years, the other, basically overnight.

Our debate has been about life arising from non-living matter.

So this difference is irrelevant to our conversation.

As I said, George Wald knew of Miller-Urey when he made his provocative statement.

At the time he said it, "spontaneous generation" and "abiogenesis" were interchangeable.

(though very few ever said "abiogenesis" at the time)

At the time George said it, life on Earth was not thought to be billions of years old.

George lived another 50 years after making that statement (long after 'billions of years' was brought in)

... and he never changed or qualified his stance.

Why?

Read his quote again, there were only two possibilities in his mind, basically: Life from nonlife or God.

And he didn't want to believe in God (despite that being the only possibility of the 2 in his mind).

Hmmm, sounds like someone we know eh Horsey?

5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:30 pm

Cornuck wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:18 pm The best is that there is no correct answer, we'll never know and it doesn't affect us.

I hope you're talking about the Miller-Petterson rift.

... and pretty much anything else discussed here.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:30 pm

Topper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:53 am He's proving renowned evolutionists, Gould, correct

No one said anything about evolution.

God (gods) could have created life 4.5 billion years ago thusly...

The first amoeba (along with the propensity to evolve of course).

Regardless, the first and most important step was either abiogenesis or divine intervention.

And given Science's failure to establish abiogenesis as a possibility, the most rational possibility is divine intervention.

As I tell the Johovah's Witness when they come to my house. An omnipotent god could have created everything 5 minutes ago.

But om is a different religion so their god is just impotent.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:30 pm
We have the same roots Mr. Ham.

Except in my case I had an epiphany at some point... whilst clad in in leather + daytons.

Welcome to the site by the way.

I think so, doc. Your namesake is one of my dad and I’s favourite films. A much wiser man than me…but he showed me all the classics. Thanks for the help getting signed up.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:27 pm Y'know Carl, some folks tend to...

Doctor, I'm trying to start a conspiracy in the conspiracy theory thread.

Winky.

Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:51 am The corner has its first tranny!!!

I find it hard to believe we didn't already have a tranny here. I mean, this place is so welcoming and diverse!

All joking aside, I like the cut of Argy's jib.

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:58 pm All joking aside, I like the cut of Argy's jib.

So you're saying he's a Jewish tranny?

Angry Ham is like the new Berryman.

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:38 am No way Argy is some random newbie who just joined to inflate our numbers from 18. Can both yuk it up and discuss shit? Very comfortable here already.

It's got to be a someone familiar from the past who's reincarnated to this afterlife. I don't want to say it's someone's new footwear...

Should I update my sig again or does Corn really have to ban someone?

I don't believe I've broken any rules. Yet.

It's true, I'm a lurker. I like to watch.

Mëds wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 1:22 am

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:58 pm All joking aside, I like the cut of Argy's jib.

So you're saying he's a Jewish tranny?

Ok, these jokes are getting a little too on the nose. Not that it's hard to miss.

Argay Ham wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:44 am

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:38 am No way Argy is some random newbie who just joined to inflate our numbers from 18. Can both yuk it up and discuss shit? Very comfortable here already.

It's got to be a someone familiar from the past who's reincarnated to this afterlife. I don't want to say it's someone's new footwear...

Should I update my sig again or does Corn really have to ban someone?

I don't believe I've broken any rules. Yet.

It's true, I'm a lurker. I like to watch.

Mëds wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 1:22 am

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:58 pm All joking aside, I like the cut of Argy's jib.

So you're saying he's a Jewish tranny?

Ok, these jokes are getting a little too on the nose. Not that it's hard to miss.

Clean as a whistle Argay

tea bags

Argay Ham wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:44 amI like to watch.

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:38 am No way Argy is some random newbie who just joined to inflate our numbers from 18. Can both yuk it up and discuss shit? Very comfortable here already.

It's got to be a someone familiar from the past who's reincarnated to this afterlife. I don't want to say it's someone's new footwear...

This is my conspiracy theory.

Stay angry, my Ham.

Should I update my sig again or does Corn really have to ban someone?

Angry Ham seems ok. This place needs more posters not less

Yeah, Argy seems like a well-rounded kind of dood. Lawd knows this place needs more good posters to drive more discussion.

I like angry ham… even if he might identify as a Jewish tranny. To each her own, I says.

I have a Hilton set aside for him.

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 5:35 pm

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:38 am No way Argy is some random newbie who just joined to inflate our numbers from 18. Can both yuk it up and discuss shit? Very comfortable here already.

It's got to be a someone familiar from the past who's reincarnated to this afterlife. I don't want to say it's someone's new footwear...

This is my conspiracy theory.

Stay angry, my Ham.

Should I update my sig again or does Corn really have to ban someone?

Angry Ham seems ok. This place needs more posters not less

I agree. We need to Make Canucks Corner Great Again! MaCCGA!