Tciso wrote: ↑Wed Nov 19, 2025 11:49 am
Are you implying that the previous system was not prudent? Because if it wasn't, why are those same 'non-prudent' people still in their jobs?
Yes, the previous system was imprudent. The same people are on the job because the problem is not that they did a bad job before, it's that the assumptions under which they were operating have been proven to be false. Specifically, the United States is not, in fact, a reliable ally.
Tciso wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 8:00 am
Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 11:57 am
So you're upset about the possibility of corruption for which you have, as yet, no specific evidence?
Correct. I am totally inferring corruption based on the continuation of past practices, and the almost total lack of transparency. I am shocked that you seem so nonchalant about the possibility of corruption.
1. Yeah, I am pretty nonchalant about theoretical possibilities for which we have no evidence.
2. Government corruption is a bit like internal mechanical friction: it makes sense to take steps to minimize it, but you have to design with the understanding that it's going to be impossible to eliminate. Relative to other countries -- even relative to other advanced democracies -- Canada has relatively little trouble with corruption. So I think it makes more sense to pay more attention to the problems that we do have.
Tciso wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 8:00 am
BTW, if he was really interested in being a strong NATO ally, he would fast track all pipelines, mining and manufacturing projects to supply Europe.
Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 11:57 am
This is the line that actually moved me to reply.
In the first place, if you look at the fast-tracked projects, some of them are specifically directed towards developing strategic mineral resources.
Again. Our government is either too incompetent to get the rest of the projects through approvals, or, they are still deciding who gets to play, and who doesn't for political reasons. Or both. Carney throws crumbs, and some people are happy.
The "political" reasons are whether or not the projects are actually in the public interest, which profitability alone doesn't guarantee.
Another sub-theme of this thread is Canadian values. If profitability is the only value you respect, there are other jurisdictions in which you might be happier with the direction of your government.
Tciso wrote: ↑Wed Nov 19, 2025 11:49 am
Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 11:57 am
And in the second place, the pipeline for which that Smith has such a hard-on would be to supply China. If Alberta wants to supply Europe, or even Eastern Canada, the pipeline has to head east, to Churchill or Sault St. Marie. If she'd grow the brains to even raise the possibility, Albertans could note how much lower the political opposition (and construction costs) would be.
Oil is a world-wide commodity. Supplying China (and the rest of south-Asia too) frees up oil from elsewhere for Europe.
That affects price, not availability, which is the military strategic consideration.
Tciso wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 8:00 am
It also aids in undercutting suppliers like Iran and Russia. It also single-handedly provides enough extra revenue to cover our military budget increases, which is more than the other proposals combined do financially.
1. Check the commodity prices
https://economicdashboard.alberta.ca/da ... oil-price/
2. Note that the government-funded TMX expansion is still not at capacity
3. Note that there is technology to further expand that capacity without an additional pipeline
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ ... -1.7624323
Tciso wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 8:00 am
The pipeline route to BC has already been defined. It needs some work, but it is basically ready to go. Churchill? There has been no studies done for such a route, which would likely add an extra decade to such a pipeline, if it is even feasible due to the swampy terrain, and lack of infrastructure.
I had a friend (now deceased) who was a pipeline engineer. He told me that it was by no means certain that the proposed route was technologically possible. On the other hand, pipelines have been built across swampy terrain before, and it is much easier (and cheaper in both construction and pumping costs) than crossing vast mountain ranges.
Tciso wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 8:00 am
lack of infrastructure... where we have no infrastructure in place...
Infrastructure development is a nation-building project.
Tciso wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 8:00 am
the same pseudo environmental concerns are raised
There are no "pseudo" environmental concerns associated with putting oil on oil tankers. Those risks have been empirically verified. Insurance companies even believe they have quantified them. You will note, though, that there are no insurance policies carried, because the cost of a clean-up has
not been quantified, because it is not technologically certain that it is possible.
Tciso wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 8:00 am
Kitimat can support the 80,000 to 300,000 ton tankers.
Kitimat can support zero tankers. The straits are too narrow, and the waters too rough.
Eby and don't agree about much, but we agree on this much: right now Northern Gateway is less than vapour-ware. If it should emerge that there is a private company that wants to build it, and they have a route in mind, we can look at their proposal. (There is, for example, a technology out of the University of Calgary the renders bitumen recoverable from sea water. I have not heard of any oil company actually planning to implement it.)
Meanwhile, per my other remarks above, we can focus our energy on problems and opportunities actually in front of us.