OTL-GDT- Flyers at Canucks, Oct 11, SNP, 8 PM MT

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Re: OTL-GDT- Flyers at Canucks, Oct 11, SNP, 8 PM MT

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Re: OTL-GDT- Flyers at Canucks, Oct 11, SNP, 8 PM MT

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So is he pouting? Has Tocchet rubbed him the wrong way or something? How can he just forget how to play?
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Re: OTL-GDT- Flyers at Canucks, Oct 11, SNP, 8 PM MT

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Don’t worry about Petey, it’s a long season FFS. It’s the overall team mix that is concerning to Chef, not seeing an “edge” with this group. Did they add soft only players to the mix? Wish we had signed Zadorov…somehow.
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Re: OTL-GDT- Flyers at Canucks, Oct 11, SNP, 8 PM MT

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Lindholm was expendable but I really think they fucked up letting Z go. He was a warrior
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Re: OTL-GDT- Flyers at Canucks, Oct 11, SNP, 8 PM MT

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Chef Boi RD wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:36 am Don’t worry about Petey, it’s a long season FFS. It’s the overall team mix that is concerning to Chef, not seeing an “edge” with this group. Did they add soft only players to the mix? Wish we had signed Zadorov…somehow.
An $11.6M player should be bringing some of that edge. He should be a threat when he’s on the ice. Right now he’s a threat to give the opposing line an easy shift.
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Re: OTL-GDT- Flyers at Canucks, Oct 11, SNP, 8 PM MT

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Mëds wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 10:48 am
Chef Boi RD wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:36 am Don’t worry about Petey, it’s a long season FFS. It’s the overall team mix that is concerning to Chef, not seeing an “edge” with this group. Did they add soft only players to the mix? Wish we had signed Zadorov…somehow.
An $11.6M player should be bringing some of that edge. He should be a threat when he’s on the ice. Right now he’s a threat to give the opposing line an easy shift.
Tocchet called him out after last night's game. He's either going to dig in or the heat will be turned way up on him, and justifiably so.
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Re: OTL-GDT- Flyers at Canucks, Oct 11, SNP, 8 PM MT

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Megaterio Llamas wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:08 am
Mëds wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 10:48 am
Chef Boi RD wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:36 am Don’t worry about Petey, it’s a long season FFS. It’s the overall team mix that is concerning to Chef, not seeing an “edge” with this group. Did they add soft only players to the mix? Wish we had signed Zadorov…somehow.
An $11.6M player should be bringing some of that edge. He should be a threat when he’s on the ice. Right now he’s a threat to give the opposing line an easy shift.
Tocchet called him out after last night's game. He's either going to dig in or the heat will be turned way up on him, and justifiably so.
He called him out over defensive coverage on one of the Flyer’s goals.
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Re: OTL-GDT- Flyers at Canucks, Oct 11, SNP, 8 PM MT

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Mëds wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:11 am
Megaterio Llamas wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:08 am
Mëds wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 10:48 am
Chef Boi RD wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:36 am Don’t worry about Petey, it’s a long season FFS. It’s the overall team mix that is concerning to Chef, not seeing an “edge” with this group. Did they add soft only players to the mix? Wish we had signed Zadorov…somehow.
An $11.6M player should be bringing some of that edge. He should be a threat when he’s on the ice. Right now he’s a threat to give the opposing line an easy shift.
Tocchet called him out after last night's game. He's either going to dig in or the heat will be turned way up on him, and justifiably so.
He called him out over defensive coverage on one of the Flyer’s goals.
Yeah I just listened to it Mëds. Imagine if he was captain and doing whatever this is right now? That was supposedly a consideration if you recall.

I mean, just imagine.
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Re: OTL-GDT- Flyers at Canucks, Oct 11, SNP, 8 PM MT

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Pettersson’s NTC doesn’t kick in until next year.

Trade deadline is March 7th.

Just sayin’.
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Re: OTL-GDT- Flyers at Canucks, Oct 11, SNP, 8 PM MT

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BoS wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:38 am Pettersson’s NTC doesn’t kick in until next year.

Trade deadline is March 7th.

Just sayin’.
I could imagine another GM thinking "that player looked really great at one time, and it doesn't look like his body has been beaten to ratfuck yet; I bet he could still really shine in the right environment, and our team is likely to be that right environment".

But two problems:

1) what is a player like that, with a cap hit like that, worth to said GM? I'm thinking nothing so shiny and exciting as 5th overall draft pick. Maybe another player in exactly the same situation?

2) if said GM is right, and Pettersson does start playing like a player worth his draft position again, but the similar player the Canucks get back doesn't, that will reflect very badly on the ownership/management group.

So if we suppose that the ownership/management group cares about fan reaction (they're doing a better job if they don't, but I suspect that they might, since the Little Eagles do seem to operate with one eye on the marketing department), then moving him is riskier than keeping him.

In theory, the way to mitigate that risk is to target the player in the return deal that the local fans really love -- a real heart and soul, 100% effort player who brings some 'edge'. But players like that don't usually underperform in environments that aren't the best fit.

So although I agree that it might be the right move for everyone (with the knowledge available to the fanbase, and CC's insider has not offered anything more that I have seen), I predict that they don't do it.
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Re: OTL-GDT- Flyers at Canucks, Oct 11, SNP, 8 PM MT

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Tough trade with that kind of contract. Certainly hope this doesn’t turn out to be Huberdeau bad.
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Re: OTL-GDT- Flyers at Canucks, Oct 11, SNP, 8 PM MT

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BoS wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:38 am Pettersson’s NTC doesn’t kick in until next year.

Trade deadline is March 7th.

Just sayin’.
Next year means July 1. Unless they are for some reason outside the playoff picture at the deadline they won’t move Perimettersson until closer to draft day.
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Re: OTL-GDT- Flyers at Canucks, Oct 11, SNP, 8 PM MT

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Ronning's Ghost wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:12 pm
BoS wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:38 am Pettersson’s NTC doesn’t kick in until next year.

Trade deadline is March 7th.

Just sayin’.
I could imagine another GM thinking "that player looked really great at one time, and it doesn't look like his body has been beaten to ratfuck yet; I bet he could still really shine in the right environment, and our team is likely to be that right environment".

But two problems:

1) what is a player like that, with a cap hit like that, worth to said GM? I'm thinking nothing so shiny and exciting as 5th overall draft pick. Maybe another player in exactly the same situation?

2) if said GM is right, and Pettersson does start playing like a player worth his draft position again, but the similar player the Canucks get back doesn't, that will reflect very badly on the ownership/management group.

So if we suppose that the ownership/management group cares about fan reaction (they're doing a better job if they don't, but I suspect that they might, since the Little Eagles do seem to operate with one eye on the marketing department), then moving him is riskier than keeping him.

In theory, the way to mitigate that risk is to target the player in the return deal that the local fans really love -- a real heart and soul, 100% effort player who brings some 'edge'. But players like that don't usually underperform in environments that aren't the best fit.

So although I agree that it might be the right move for everyone (with the knowledge available to the fanbase, and CC's insider has not offered anything more that I have seen), I predict that they don't do it.
You trade him to decent team for multiple picks. Said team will be projected to be picking in the bottom-10 the next few seasons. You get them to throw in a heart and soul guy that brings some wheels, size, and character and can play Tocchey Hockey, but won’t contribute more than 15G/30P.

With said draft capital you then offer sheet the shit out of a RFA.
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Re: OTL-GDT- Flyers at Canucks, Oct 11, SNP, 8 PM MT

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Mëds wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:44 pm You trade him to decent team for multiple picks. Said team will be projected to be picking in the bottom-10 the next few seasons. You get them to throw in a heart and soul guy that brings some wheels, size, and character and can play Tocchey Hockey, but won’t contribute more than 15G/30P.

With said draft capital you then offer sheet the shit out of a RFA.
I'm not saying it isn't a good plan, or that there couldn't be a GM of a competitive team that might be persuadable; I'm saying I don't think this ownership/management group would do it.
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Re: OTL-GDT- Flyers at Canucks, Oct 11, SNP, 8 PM MT

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The Eichel model for a trade
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