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Strangelove wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:25 pm I doubt the NHL would allow Loui to keep his bonus money if he retires.

Such a thing has never happened and I'm pretty sure there's nothing in the CBA that covers it.

The NFL went through this with Barry Sanders when he retired in 1999.

It had never happened in the NFL and nothing in the CBA.

In the end NFL saw to it that Sanders returned the signing bonus.

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Just my thoughts on the matter...

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:14 pm

micky107 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:08 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:04 pm

Richardstroker69 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:01 pm Any issue if he retires and immediately signs in Sweden or the khl?

No, except I''ll bet the NHL makes him pay back this year's signing bonus.

Per: Thoughts ?

Lol, what would Per know about it?

Curious to know what Swedish hockey fans and press think about the Van vs L.E.conundrum.

Loui should blow it all on liquor and whores before they can get it back...what bonus bro?

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:01 pm Loui should blow it all on liquor and whores before they can get it back...what bonus bro?

Brewster's Millions

Hank wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:06 pm

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:01 pm Loui should blow it all on liquor and whores before they can get it back...what bonus bro?

Brewster's Millions

Lou-sers millions! Ha!

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:19 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:25 pm I doubt the NHL would allow Loui to keep his bonus money if he retires.

Such a thing has never happened and I'm pretty sure there's nothing in the CBA that covers it.

The NFL went through this with Barry Sanders when he retired in 1999.

It had never happened in the NFL and nothing in the CBA.

In the end NFL saw to it that Sanders returned the signing bonus.

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Just my thoughts on the matter...

I have no idea how this works, but thought that after July 1 he kept his dough no matter what? If that's not true I guess there's not much chance for him to retire. To the minors it is.

Loui: Ok how about I keep the bonus, and you guys can keep the rest?
And I'll see myself out.

SKYO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:24 pm Loui: Ok how about I keep the bonus, and you guys can keep the rest?
And I'll see myself out.

Sounds good but I'll bet his agent would warn him the league might come after him for that bonus.

Otherwise such a precedent could become cap circumvention loophole... don't you think?

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:49 pm

SKYO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:24 pm Loui: Ok how about I keep the bonus, and you guys can keep the rest?
And I'll see myself out.

Sounds good but I'll bet his agent would warn him the league might come after him for that bonus.

Otherwise such a precedent could become cap circumvention loophole... don't you think?

aha yeah the league wouldn't allow that, just wishful thinking.

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That's a good idea Skyo.

I like Baer + contract except for those damned concussions.

But we have Miller and Pearson now so...

If I'm the devs I flip a 3rd for Baer.

Well maybe a 5th cuz those damned concussions.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:49 pm

SKYO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:24 pm Loui: Ok how about I keep the bonus, and you guys can keep the rest?
And I'll see myself out.

Sounds good but I'll bet his agent would warn him the league might come after him for that bonus.

Otherwise such a precedent could become cap circumvention loophole... don't you think?

Ya this is what my concern was. If he gets 5M as a bonus, what year does it hit the cap? I mean they either stick it to us for one year or take it back.

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:13 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:49 pm

SKYO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:24 pm Loui: Ok how about I keep the bonus, and you guys can keep the rest?
And I'll see myself out.

Sounds good but I'll bet his agent would warn him the league might come after him for that bonus.

Otherwise such a precedent could become cap circumvention loophole... don't you think?

Ya this is what my concern was. If he gets 5M as a bonus, what year does it hit the cap? I mean they either stick it to us for one year or take it back.

I was reading the cba today, learning that Doc was correct about cap recapture only applying to old-CBA contracts, and I can tell you the CBA does cover cap hits from retirements, even mid-season.

Now, what the CBA actually says, I couldn't tell you with any certainty. But it's in there!

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:13 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:49 pm Sounds good but I'll bet his agent would warn him the league might come after him for that bonus.

Otherwise such a precedent could become cap circumvention loophole... don't you think?

Ya this is what my concern was. If he gets 5M as a bonus, what year does it hit the cap? I mean they either stick it to us for one year or take it back.

If the cap hit applies (and I'm sure it would) it would be for 2019-20.

I think if Loui retires tomorrow (or mutually terminates) there would be a $4M cap hit for Nucks for 2019-20.

(and zero cap hit for the years left on the contract)

But, as I say, I think the NHL would fight to make Loui pay back the $4M

... at which point the cap hit would come off the books.

I'm only guessing of course because taking the bonus and retiring has never happened before.

But there have been cases of retiring/MTing and the corresponding percentage of the cap hit remaining.

I remember Rodin having only a small part of his $700K counting on the cap after he MTed early in 2017 season.

Something similar happened with Brooks Laich in LA that same year.

ESQ wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:43 pm I was reading the cba today, learning that Doc was correct about cap recapture only applying to old-CBA contracts, and I can tell you the CBA does cover cap hits from retirements, even mid-season.

Now, what the CBA actually says, I couldn't tell you with any certainty. But it's in there!

Yeah mid-season retirements definitely result in partial cap hits, see my post above.

But summer retirements cancel the cap hit for the next season(s) completely.

(I remember this happening with the Leaves Marchenko a coupla years ago)

But again, a summer retirement after taking the signing bonus has never happened before

... so we can only guess as to the result.

Is there any chance he comes back and floats through another season? Benning mumbled something about penalty killing...i can see it happening