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Strangelove wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:32 pm

Mëds wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:50 pm Ferland is likely permanently on LTIR now.

We've talked about it before: I doubt his contract is insured.

(so a budget team won't want him to get to the cap floor)

But if not, we can just spend $3.5M over the cap until it's done.

(if he's LTIRed of course)

Curmudgeon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:51 am

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:52 am Yeah... do you want 24 year old elite skater Jake scoring 20/20 playing 13 min a night making 2.5 million? Or 28 year old Toffoli lumbering around at 5.5 million on a long term deal barely cracking 50 points?

Savings of 3 million to improve the roster in other areas.

I was looking at it from a top six and bottom six perspective and even though RW is a position of strength for them, there's still plenty of uncertainty.

Toffoli, Boeser, and Podkolzin are top six players but as you say, Toffoli is 28 and already not the greatest skater and could very well bolt back to LA as a UFA anyway, Boeser isn't worth his qualifying offer if it was due today, and Podkolzin isn't coming for another season. Now, can they get Virtenen to consistently perform in the top six in the event they lose Toffoli and/or move Boeser before they have to qualify him?

Virtanen, MacEwen, and Motte as of today are the bottom six choices with Virtanen being a 5 year pro and still not having his shit together, MacEwen appearing ready for full-time 3rd line duty providing the pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and belligerence the team is sorely lacking, and Motte is an RFA but a key one IMO. Then there's Lind developing decently in Utica. To me MacEwen and Motte are ideal for those bottom six spots, especially if Virtanen can't get his act together and learn to be better defensively and hopefully kill penalties. Plus Virtanen does have value around the league if they move on from him or he's a sweetener.

Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:22 am

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:44 pm

Mëds wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:31 pm
Out.....

Stecher
Eriksson
Sutter
Benn
Pearson
Ferland
Virtanen

That's $23.2M off the books.

Gawddamn, if JB was able to pull this off, how could anyone deny that he WASN'T a genius?

He'd be GM of the decade.

That’s all gonna happen over the next 2 years.. except perhaps Jake. If we can keep an 18 -20 goal scorer 3rd line guy for around 2 Million, we can do that.

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:06 pm

Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:17 am

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:52 am Yeah... do you want 24 year old elite skater Jake scoring 20/20 playing 13 min a night making 2.5 million? Or 28 year old Toffoli lumbering around at 5.5 million on a long term deal barely cracking 50 points?

Savings of 3 million to improve the roster in other areas.

Blob, compare apples to apples.

I am talking about a 3rd line guy, your talking top 6 at twice the price.

2 - 2.5 million for a 3rd line guy playing 13 minute and getting 18-20 goals is a good deal.

Look past the name on the jersey ffs.

Not sure what jersey names have to do with anything.

You don’t have to sell me on Jake. I’m not with the pitchfork outfit that wants to run him out of town. A lot of those same posters want Toffoli back on a long term expensive deal. That’s the comparison and bang for buck per player I was making.

I still think Jake has more to give and his potential salary shouldn’t be a problem.

I also agree with the line of thinking that a good team needs a good top 9, as opposed to a top six, middle six. I just don’t want to put our best left winger who has great chemistry with our best player btw, centering another scoring line. Miller is far more effective on the wing and he’d leave a gaping hole on the left side.

nuckster wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:19 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:06 pm

Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:17 am

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:52 am Yeah... do you want 24 year old elite skater Jake scoring 20/20 playing 13 min a night making 2.5 million? Or 28 year old Toffoli lumbering around at 5.5 million on a long term deal barely cracking 50 points?

Savings of 3 million to improve the roster in other areas.

Blob, compare apples to apples.

I am talking about a 3rd line guy, your talking top 6 at twice the price.

2 - 2.5 million for a 3rd line guy playing 13 minute and getting 18-20 goals is a good deal.

Look past the name on the jersey ffs.

Not sure what jersey names have to do with anything.

You don’t have to sell me on Jake. I’m not with the pitchfork outfit that wants to run him out of town. A lot of those same posters want Toffoli back on a long term expensive deal. That’s the comparison and bang for buck per player I was making.

I still think Jake has more to give and his potential salary shouldn’t be a problem.

I also agree with the line of thinking that a good team needs a good top 9, as opposed to a top six, middle six. I just don’t want to put our best left winger who has great chemistry with our best player btw, centering another scoring line. Miller is far more effective on the wing and he’d leave a gaping hole on the left side.

I'm just jumping into this from the 'netherland' amongst the mon to fri slaves of the work-week.

Judging from how JB spoke about Virts, I'm inclined to think that Virts might be up for a trade; and ole JB has to shed some shitty contracts... like L.E.

I think JB wants to keep Demko for awhile too. - a valuable trade chip one way or another in the future.

Its all good. The shitty "Linden Vey Days" are behind us now

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:52 am Yeah... do you want 24 year old elite skater Jake scoring 20/20 playing 13 min a night making 2.5 million? Or 28 year old Toffoli lumbering around at 5.5 million on a long term deal barely cracking 50 points?

Savings of 3 million to improve the roster in other areas.

Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:30 pm

nuckster wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:19 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:06 pm

Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:17 am

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:52 am Yeah... do you want 24 year old elite skater Jake scoring 20/20 playing 13 min a night making 2.5 million? Or 28 year old Toffoli lumbering around at 5.5 million on a long term deal barely cracking 50 points?

Savings of 3 million to improve the roster in other areas.

Blob, compare apples to apples.

I am talking about a 3rd line guy, your talking top 6 at twice the price.

2 - 2.5 million for a 3rd line guy playing 13 minute and getting 18-20 goals is a good deal.

Look past the name on the jersey ffs.

Not sure what jersey names have to do with anything.

You don’t have to sell me on Jake. I’m not with the pitchfork outfit that wants to run him out of town. A lot of those same posters want Toffoli back on a long term expensive deal. That’s the comparison and bang for buck per player I was making.

I still think Jake has more to give and his potential salary shouldn’t be a problem.

I also agree with the line of thinking that a good team needs a good top 9, as opposed to a top six, middle six. I just don’t want to put our best left winger who has great chemistry with our best player btw, centering another scoring line. Miller is far more effective on the wing and he’d leave a gaping hole on the left side.

I'm just jumping into this from the 'netherland' amongst the mon to fri slaves of the work-week.

Judging from how JB spoke about Virts, I'm inclined to think that Virts might be up for a trade; and ole JB has to shed some shitty contracts... like L.E.

I think JB wants to keep Demko for awhile too. - a valuable trade chip one way or another in the future.

Its all good. The shitty "Linden Vey Days" are behind us now

Linden Vey, Emerson Etem, Brendan Gaunce, etc (and it’s a LOT of etc)... perhaps the second darkest time in our history behind the ‘Darkdays of Messier.

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:31 am

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:52 am Yeah... do you want 24 year old elite skater Jake scoring 20/20 playing 13 min a night making 2.5 million? Or 28 year old Toffoli lumbering around at 5.5 million on a long term deal barely cracking 50 points?

Savings of 3 million to improve the roster in other areas.

I like Toffoli, he’s apparently great in the room, something fans don’t appreciate but I know what you mean. Benning really needs to think about the looking Hughes and Pettersson contracts, I do worry about Bennings cap management. Although I’m a fan of Toffoli contracts like his after Hughes and Pettersson get Marner money cause major problems for the cap. I think you can only sign 2 of Markstrom, Tanev and Toffoli and IMO Toffoli is at the bottom of that list. You sign Tanev and Markstrom then Virtanen is a good cheap option to keep here

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:48 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:31 am

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:52 am Yeah... do you want 24 year old elite skater Jake scoring 20/20 playing 13 min a night making 2.5 million? Or 28 year old Toffoli lumbering around at 5.5 million on a long term deal barely cracking 50 points?

Savings of 3 million to improve the roster in other areas.

I like Toffoli, he’s apparently great in the room, something fans don’t appreciate but I know what you mean. Benning really needs to think about the looking Hughes and Pettersson contracts, I do worry about Bennings cap management. Although I’m a fan of Toffoli contracts like his after Hughes and Pettersson get Marner money cause major problems for the cap. I think you can only sign 2 of Markstrom, Tanev and Toffoli and IMO Toffoli is at the bottom of that list. You sign Tanev and Markstrom then Virtanen is a good cheap option to keep here

I’m not against bringing Toffoli back. At around 5 million he isn’t overpaid. The problem is all the other boat anchors that Elmer has saddled the team with. And as I’ve said before, my top priority would be to get very engaged in contract talks with Pettersson and Hughes.

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:46 am
1984-1988. EASILY the darkest time to ever be a Vancouver Canucks fan. It really isn’t close.

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:14 am

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:46 am
1984-1988. EASILY the darkest time to ever be a Vancouver Canucks fan. It really isn’t close.

Ya those days were absolutely brutal. Gretzky Kurri Messier used the pacific coliseum as a cum dumpster...

Its no wonder Corny is so irrationally pissed at shit

theman wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:17 am

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:14 am

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:46 am
1984-1988. EASILY the darkest time to ever be a Vancouver Canucks fan. It really isn’t close.

Ya those days were absolutely brutal. Gretzky Kurri Messier used the pacific coliseum as a cum dumpster...

Its no wonder Corny is so irrationally pissed at shit

Agree, it is because of those days that I have no sympathy for the Flames or Oilers, absolutely zero sympathy for those franchises or their fan base.