The Official Dave Ayres CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

[Mickey107]

William 7 Schmill NILander - 1 goal 23 games, that’s a 4 goal season pace

He'll get 70+ points yearly. Book it. He had 49 even-strength points alone last season with low TOI and little PP time.

Conditioning may be an issue.

[BigTuna]

Darren Dreger played you guys like a fool. This was a ll cheap attention.

Ever listen to Bob Mackenzie speak about offersheets? He claims he's heard nothing and will believe it when he sees it. He said he gave up spending time talking about them when Mark Stone did not get 1 single offer last summer.

Let's hope Dreger is right for one time. 11 picks minimum. Woohoo!

A teams cap situation is what brings to the attention -,offer sheet potentials. Like the Sharks offer sheeting the Blackhawks Hjalmerson knowing the Blackhawks struggles at the time of trying to get under the cap, it’s done to also screw the competitions cap situation and make life miserable for them. It’s a bonus if the offer sheet is accepted signed

This is completely different. 4 1st rounders. 4. Never occurred in NHL history. That's a big bonus to the team losing that player.
The reality is Kaperi Kapanen is by far the most likely to get an offersheet because he won't cost 4 1st rounders.

[ESQ]

This is completely different. 4 1st rounders. 4. Never occurred in NHL history. That's a big bonus to the team losing that player.

Close, but still wrong. Nashville walked away from 4 1sts for Weber.

What to do it sign the big offer sheet, which poker face Dubas has already said he'll match, fuck up the salary structure, then pick over the carcass in a trade.

Kapanen and Johnson could even sign a sheet that sends a 2nd as compensation. Two of those, there goes $9 million in cap space. Do you think and GM will then offer 4 1sts for Marner?

[Chef Boi RD]

Darren Dreger played you guys like a fool. This was a ll cheap attention.

Ever listen to Bob Mackenzie speak about offersheets? He claims he's heard nothing and will believe it when he sees it. He said he gave up spending time talking about them when Mark Stone did not get 1 single offer last summer.

Let's hope Dreger is right for one time. 11 picks minimum. Woohoo!

A teams cap situation is what brings to the attention -,offer sheet potentials. Like the Sharks offer sheeting the Blackhawks Hjalmerson knowing the Blackhawks struggles at the time of trying to get under the cap, it’s done to also screw the competitions cap situation and make life miserable for them. It’s a bonus if the offer sheet is accepted signed

This is completely different. 4 1st rounders. 4. Never occurred in NHL history. That's a big bonus to the team losing that player.
The reality is Kaperi Kapanen is by far the most likely to get an offersheet because he won't cost 4 1st rounders.

The team that would be proposing to offer sheet a player is typically a Have team and not a Lottery Pick potential have not team. The picks won’t be high, Tuna, if that’s what you’re thinking. You’ll be drafting a bunch of Gauthiers and Biggs

[BigTuna]

This is completely different. 4 1st rounders. 4. Never occurred in NHL history. That's a big bonus to the team losing that player.

Close, but still wrong. Nashville walked away from 4 1sts for Weber.

What to do it sign the big offer sheet, which poker face Dubas has already said he'll match, fuck up the salary structure, then pick over the carcass in a trade.

Kapanen and Johnson could even sign a sheet that sends a 2nd as compensation. Two of those, there goes $9 million in cap space. Do you think and GM will then offer 4 1sts for Marner?

So I am wrong that it's never occurred? LOL. And BTW, that was a different time when it was actually easier to offersheet a player. You could offer them a 15 year contract.

[BigTuna]

Darren Dreger played you guys like a fool. This was a ll cheap attention.

Ever listen to Bob Mackenzie speak about offersheets? He claims he's heard nothing and will believe it when he sees it. He said he gave up spending time talking about them when Mark Stone did not get 1 single offer last summer.

Let's hope Dreger is right for one time. 11 picks minimum. Woohoo!

A teams cap situation is what brings to the attention -,offer sheet potentials. Like the Sharks offer sheeting the Blackhawks Hjalmerson knowing the Blackhawks struggles at the time of trying to get under the cap, it’s done to also screw the competitions cap situation and make life miserable for them. It’s a bonus if the offer sheet is accepted signed

This is completely different. 4 1st rounders. 4. Never occurred in NHL history. That's a big bonus to the team losing that player.
The reality is Kaperi Kapanen is by far the most likely to get an offersheet because he won't cost 4 1st rounders.

The team that would be proposing to offer sheet a player is typically a Have team and not a Lottery Pick potential have not team. The picks won’t be high, Tuna, if that’s what you’re thinking. You’ll be drafting a bunch of Gauthiers and Biggs

What "Have Team" has the cap space? The only teams with the cap space are struggling teams or ones barely scraping in the playoffs.
The last offersheet came from a very bad team (Calgary). Edmonton was terrible when they signed Penner.

[Chef Boi RD]

Darren Dreger played you guys like a fool. This was a ll cheap attention.

Ever listen to Bob Mackenzie speak about offersheets? He claims he's heard nothing and will believe it when he sees it. He said he gave up spending time talking about them when Mark Stone did not get 1 single offer last summer.

Let's hope Dreger is right for one time. 11 picks minimum. Woohoo!

A teams cap situation is what brings to the attention -,offer sheet potentials. Like the Sharks offer sheeting the Blackhawks Hjalmerson knowing the Blackhawks struggles at the time of trying to get under the cap, it’s done to also screw the competitions cap situation and make life miserable for them. It’s a bonus if the offer sheet is accepted signed

This is completely different. 4 1st rounders. 4. Never occurred in NHL history. That's a big bonus to the team losing that player.
The reality is Kaperi Kapanen is by far the most likely to get an offersheet because he won't cost 4 1st rounders.

The team that would be proposing to offer sheet a player is typically a Have team and not a Lottery Pick potential have not team. The picks won’t be high, Tuna, if that’s what you’re thinking. You’ll be drafting a bunch of Gauthiers and Biggs

What "Have Team" has the cap space? The only teams with the cap space are struggling teams or ones barely scraping in the playoffs.
The last offersheet came from a very bad team (Calgary). Edmonton was terrible when they signed Penner.

It’s your media in Toronto - TSN etc., whom keep saying that there will be offer sheets coming in for Leaf players. Why are you shooting the messenger, Tuna? Also, are you saying that half the league plus half a dozen wild card teams have no cap room to put out such an offer sheet? Hmm

[BigTuna]

Darren Dreger played you guys like a fool. This was a ll cheap attention.

Ever listen to Bob Mackenzie speak about offersheets? He claims he's heard nothing and will believe it when he sees it. He said he gave up spending time talking about them when Mark Stone did not get 1 single offer last summer.

Let's hope Dreger is right for one time. 11 picks minimum. Woohoo!

A teams cap situation is what brings to the attention -,offer sheet potentials. Like the Sharks offer sheeting the Blackhawks Hjalmerson knowing the Blackhawks struggles at the time of trying to get under the cap, it’s done to also screw the competitions cap situation and make life miserable for them. It’s a bonus if the offer sheet is accepted signed

This is completely different. 4 1st rounders. 4. Never occurred in NHL history. That's a big bonus to the team losing that player.
The reality is Kaperi Kapanen is by far the most likely to get an offersheet because he won't cost 4 1st rounders.

The team that would be proposing to offer sheet a player is typically a Have team and not a Lottery Pick potential have not team. The picks won’t be high, Tuna, if that’s what you’re thinking. You’ll be drafting a bunch of Gauthiers and Biggs

What "Have Team" has the cap space? The only teams with the cap space are struggling teams or ones barely scraping in the playoffs.
The last offersheet came from a very bad team (Calgary). Edmonton was terrible when they signed Penner.

It’s your media in Toronto - TSN etc., whom keep saying that there will be offer sheets coming in for Leaf players. Why are you shooting the messenger, Tuna? Also, are you saying that half the league plus half a dozen wild card teams have no cap room to put out such an offer sheet? Hmm

Completely correct. Mow why do you guys keep saying TSN loves the leaves and only caters to Leaf fans?

[ESQ]

So I am wrong that it's never occurred? LOL. And BTW, that was a different time when it was actually easier to offersheet a player. You could offer them a 15 year contract.

Yep, you're wrong.

Nashville was not vulnerable from a cap standpoint, they were vulnerable from an internal budget standpoint, hence the massive annual bonuses to try to force them to not match the offer sheet. They had the cap room, the issue was whether the owner would front the bonuses. The 15 years had nothing to do with it.

All a team needs to do to force the Leaves into a bind is the salary, which they can't afford.

Look at the sharks - offer sheet to Hjamalarsson, it gets matched by Chicago, sharks wind up taking Niemi for free after the Hawks have to walk away from arbitration.

An aggressive team with cap space - like New Jersey, Rangers, Islanders, Arizona,.Carolina, Philadelphia, Vancouver, etc etc etc - can sign a single offer sheet to any leaf, totally fuck over the planned cap structure, and force Toronto to trade or walk away from a player. Dubas has left himself no wiggle room.

[Cousin Strawberry]

We still owe those cunts for the luongo bullshit and the ohlund offer sheet. Get mean jimmy. Screw over the verizon geek

[BigTuna]

So I am wrong that it's never occurred? LOL. And BTW, that was a different time when it was actually easier to offersheet a player. You could offer them a 15 year contract.

Yep, you're wrong.

Nashville was not vulnerable from a cap standpoint, they were vulnerable from an internal budget standpoint, hence the massive annual bonuses to try to force them to not match the offer sheet. They had the cap room, the issue was whether the owner would front the bonuses. The 15 years had nothing to do with it.

All a team needs to do to force the Leaves into a bind is the salary, which they can't afford.

Look at the sharks - offer sheet to Hjamalarsson, it gets matched by Chicago, sharks wind up taking Niemi for free after the Hawks have to walk away from arbitration.

An aggressive team with cap space - like New Jersey, Rangers, Islanders, Arizona,.Carolina, Philadelphia, Vancouver, etc etc etc - can sign a single offer sheet to any leaf, totally fuck over the planned cap structure, and force Toronto to trade or walk away from a player. Dubas has left himself no wiggle room.

I wasn't.

I just merely mean the now known as cap circumvention contracts helped years ago. Not with that particular case.

Hjamalarsson is irrevelant. That would bot have been close to 4 picks, That's why Kapanen is more likely.

[Strangelove]

One thing should have happened not signed Tavares or signed Tavares and traded NILander for picks and prospects

Marner will get offer sheeted. The GMs know Dubas is screwed. Love it!

Have you ever put any thought into the fact that if Marner leaves by offersheet, Toronto have a ton of cap room,

WRONG

Don't you think Marner gets 12-13 million? All of that is gone. They are fine. How much over the cap do you think Toronto will be? LOL.

Well if they want to keep Gardiner and Hainsey they would be a few million over the cap even if Marner left (assuming $83M cap).

Now if they let all three of those guys leave, sure, they'd be ~ $5M under the cap (which doesn't buy much in UFA season).

I don't know why I bother though, you have proven time and time again you can't grasp these things.

[Strangelove]

^ Leaves dee make goalies look bad and Marner will bust, is any of this getting through...

Well this prediction hasn't aged well...

I've consistently said for years that Mr Andersen stands on his head in the regular season

... and falls flat on his face in the playoffs.

I've also said that the Leaves dee gets exposed in the playoffs... making their goalie look bad.

As for Marner, he will bust under the weight of his next contract.

I've consistently said that I've willed Nylander/Matthews/Marner to play way over their heads in contract years

... and then crash immediately thereafter.

How's Nylander doing?

HAROLD BALLARD

So Marner goes from bust to deserving more than Mcdavid. LOL. You are admitting how wrong you were?

When did I ever say Marner is worth more than McDavid?

[Meds]

Any team that offer sheets Matthews and successfully lands him will automatically be a team that is a threat to make the playoffs, and they will have years ahead of themselves to build a true Cup contender around Matthews. I honestly can't think of a team in the league right now that would still suck if they were able to add a franchise center at no roster cost.

Despite Doc's "willing" I don't think Matthews will crash after his next contract. He's a good player.

If Matthews gets tendered Dubas will match, he has to. That will immediately screw the internal salary structure in Toronto and Marner or Nylander will be the victim of it. Probably Marner because so long as he is unsigned nobody will trade much of value for Nylander and his 4 goal season pace.

Dubas inherited a team that was so rich in young talent that he got too greedy and shot himself in the foot by not trading Nylander. He had all of his cake and he wanted to eat it. The result was disruption of some very good chemistry that the Leaves had been running along with for the first half of the season. Nylander came back and the line up juggled and someone got displaced. Nylander hasn't produced, and the Leaves have stumbled through the back half of December and January. Had he traded Nylander to a team like Carolina, who was rumoured to be VERY INTERESTED, the team would have remained solid and he would have had wiggle room.

Now he brings in Muzzin, a good move that cost him a 1st, but Muzzin is under contract next year and that means less room for Gardiner.

The NHL is a business, and the players get that, but consider how it will look if Dubas is forced to trade Nylander only 6 months after giving him a massive contract and swearing up and down he's not going to move him? How does it look if Gardiner, who has been a Leaf for years, is suddenly displaced by Muzzin and has to be dealt or let go because there simply isn't room? Now fewer people are willing to "take one" for the team and help the GM build via "hometown discounts".

There is just no way to keep Matthews and Marner and not tear some minor guts out of the existing team.

Was signing Tavares when you had such good up and coming players already in the system a mistake?

[Strangelove]

Despite Doc's "willing" I don't think Matthews will crash after his next contract. He's a good player.

Would you believe a career-ending injury?