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Island Nucklehead wrote:The Hawks should be far more concerned about Hossa's cap recapture if he retires with a couple years left on his deal.

If he retires with 2 years left (at 40), they get slapped with a $9M penalty for those two seasons. If he quits with only one year left on his deal, it's $18M for one-year.

What are the odds he doesn't put them in that position? I think he will have a sense of loyalty and obligation and he simply won't retire. He may refuse to report, get suspended, or he will stay an active member of the team with a roster spot and just keep playing.

Hockey Widow wrote:

Island Nucklehead wrote:The Hawks should be far more concerned about Hossa's cap recapture if he retires with a couple years left on his deal.

If he retires with 2 years left (at 40), they get slapped with a $9M penalty for those two seasons. If he quits with only one year left on his deal, it's $18M for one-year.

What are the odds he doesn't put them in that position? I think he will have a sense of loyalty and obligation and he simply won't retire. He may refuse to report, get suspended, or he will stay an active member of the team with a roster spot and just keep playing.

It's possible, but looking at his contract it's abundantly clear that nobody expected him to play those final couple seasons. His contract drops from $7.9M this season, to $4M next year, and finished with the four $1M "throw-away" years.

Maybe he goes the Pronger/Savard route and milks his next injury so the Hawks get some cap relief, but I wouldn't be shocked to see the guy walk away after next season.

leaves have released Glencross and Setoguchi from their PTO's.

Zajac to TO?

According to Rich Chere of the Star-Ledger in New Jersey, the leaves and Devils may have a trade on the table that would send the 30-year-old centre to Toronto.

It is believed, Chere writes, that Maple leaves general manager Lou Lamoriello is discussing several potential trade scenarios with Devils GM Ray Shero, including centre Nazem Kadri as a potential piece of a trade or a package deal that includes winger James van Riemsdyk.

Who's the rebuilding team here?

^^^

No kidding, that type of deal is not what a team rebuilding does, unless they get a high draft pick back.

Hockey Widow wrote:

Island Nucklehead wrote:The Hawks should be far more concerned about Hossa's cap recapture if he retires with a couple years left on his deal.

If he retires with 2 years left (at 40), they get slapped with a $9M penalty for those two seasons. If he quits with only one year left on his deal, it's $18M for one-year.

What are the odds he doesn't put them in that position? I think he will have a sense of loyalty and obligation and he simply won't retire. He may refuse to report, get suspended, or he will stay an active member of the team with a roster spot and just keep playing.

The bolded thing won't free a team from the Cap Recapture.

Yeahno, there is no way to avoid Recapture Monster....

Listen, and understand.

The Recapture Monster is out there.

It can't be bargained with.

It can't be reasoned with.

It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear.

And it absolutely will not stop... EVER... unless the player plays out the entire contract.



Oh sure, a player could spend the last few seasons of his contract on the LTIR.

(allowing a team to spend over the cap to a degree)

But it better be a legitimate injury, otherwise....

Article 16.11, P. 103: “The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is: (i) placed, or remains, on the Injured Reserve List, or (ii) designated Injured Non-Roster. If the Commissioner has reason to believe that the Injured Reserve List or Injured Non-Roster status has not been utilized properly by the involved Club or otherwise Circumvents any provision of this Agreement, or if he determines that the Club has used the Injured Reserve and/or Injured Non-Roster designations to evade the Active Roster limit, he may take such disciplinary action against the Club as he deems appropriate.”

Island Nucklehead wrote: Who's the rebuilding team here?

Funny thing is, they are both supposed to be rebuilding teams.

Both teams have said as much many times...

The Devs took Lou's GM position away from him only because he apparently could not grasp the "rebuild" concept

... and now Lou is running the "rebuilding" Leaves!

Thanks for the clarity Doc. I just don't think Hossa screws them. If he can, he will play.

With Hossa's concussion history he's a lock on the HOF before he retires.

Strangelove wrote:

Hockey Widow wrote:

Island Nucklehead wrote:The Hawks should be far more concerned about Hossa's cap recapture if he retires with a couple years left on his deal.

If he retires with 2 years left (at 40), they get slapped with a $9M penalty for those two seasons. If he quits with only one year left on his deal, it's $18M for one-year.

What are the odds he doesn't put them in that position? I think he will have a sense of loyalty and obligation and he simply won't retire. He may refuse to report, get suspended, or he will stay an active member of the team with a roster spot and just keep playing.

The bolded thing won't free a team from the Cap Recapture.

Yeahno, there is no way to avoid Recapture Monster....

Listen, and understand.

The Recapture Monster is out there.

It can't be bargained with.

It can't be reasoned with.

It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear.

And it absolutely will not stop... EVER... unless the player plays out the entire contract.

lol

SL, they just gotta pull the ol' LA Kings trick, get him addicted to pain killers, get him to cross the Canadian border with some oxy, terminate contract = extremely reduced cap recapture penalty.

SKYO wrote: lol

SL, they just gotta pull the ol' LA Kings trick, get him addicted to pain killers, get him to cross the Canadian border with some oxy, terminate contract = extremely reduced cap recapture penalty.

Mike Richards' Recapture Penalty.... was not reduced.

Strangelove wrote:

SKYO wrote: lol

SL, they just gotta pull the ol' LA Kings trick, get him addicted to pain killers, get him to cross the Canadian border with some oxy, terminate contract = extremely reduced cap recapture penalty.

Mike Richards' Recapture Penalty.... was not reduced.

I genuinely enjoyed your description of the recapture monster btw.

Anyways, what I'm trying to say about Richards case is this..

The Kings Terminated Richards' Contract

Earlier this summer, the Kings terminated the contract of the forward after the team learned he had been arrested for the unlawful possession of a controlled substance. Richards had five years and $22 million remaining on his deal, which translated to a $5.75 million cap hit over each of the next five years.

Initially, the Kings had decided to buy out Richards. That would have resulted in a fluctuating cap hit until 2024-25, peaking in 2018 and 2019 at $4.2 million.

However, by terminating his deal, the Kings would enjoy substantial cap relief as the team would only be on the hook for a cap recapture penalty of $1.32 million over each of the next five years. And of course, the team won't have to pay Richards two-thirds of his salary, which amounts to $14.5 million.
http://www.tsn.ca/richards-case-against ... e-1.353065

But alas we have to wait for the final decision.

Ahh... I see.

True... in the Richards' case, the Buyout Monster is scarier than the Recapture Monster.

Hockey Widow wrote:^^^

No kidding, that type of deal is not what a team rebuilding does, unless they get a high draft pick back.

Lol wasn't Skyo jumping up and down for the Canucks to acquire Zajac last year ?

Strangelove wrote:Ahh... I see.

True... in the Richards' case, the Buyout Monster is scarier than the Recapture Monster.

haha wordup.

Blob Mckenzie wrote:

Hockey Widow wrote:^^^

No kidding, that type of deal is not what a team rebuilding does, unless they get a high draft pick back.

Lol wasn't Skyo jumping up and down for the Canucks to acquire Zajac last year ?

Your memory is still intact eh? lol

All before we got Bonino?
fuck I forget, don't care, fuck all of you. ayyyye just joshin'