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Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:50 pm

rats19 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:29 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:21 pm

micky107 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:45 am Not really young anymore, (I guess compared to me ), but; Captain Nikita Tryamkin with the blast from the point on the power play makes it 1-0 Avtomobilist.
https://twitter.com/Fan2Abby/status/1159029713349689344

He isn’t a prospect whatsoever. He’s 25 and he may or may not come back. Some posters like to wet their panties thinking about him coming back though which is adorable

Not sure I’m moistening the Hanes.... but I’d like to have him back

I’d like to see him back as well rats. I just get a kick out of the people saying “he’s coming back” after a random tweet or a whack off session. If he comes back, that’s wonderful but I’m not counting on it. Just like I’m not counting on Juolevi ever being a prominent player. It would be great if these things happened however, but it’s like found money at this point.

A high first round pick becoming a prominent player is not ‘found money’. I fully expect him to be a regular player once he gets healthy and some development time in. I think the ceiling and floor of his potential are not that far apart. ‘Found Money’ usually applies to picks in the 3rd round or later.

As for Tryamkin, he could be ‘found money’ if he comes back and pulls a Marek Malik in his heyday in Vancouver. Hardly impossible or even unlikely, but I’m not holding my breath.

Looking for articles on Pettersson (I found a few, but behind pay walls that I don't want to sign up for) I stumbled across two short notices on Dahlén on the SVT (Swedish Television) website:

Jonathan Dahlén about the hard times: ”I was being vilified”
After the hard time in the AHL the hockey talent Jonathan Dahlén is back in Sweden – and rumoured to return to Timrå. For a while he had to shut down his social media and is now talking about the importance of taking mental health seriously.

Jonathan Dahlén’s trade from Vancouver to San José received a lot of attention. Hate comments fom Vancouver Canuck fans flooded Dahlén’s social media and his mental state wasn’t at its best after hectic hours with the Utica Comets.

“If you don’t get the ice time you need as a 21-yo and you have a coach that doesn’t talk to you, it’s hard to know what you need to do,” he says.
To be on your own in a foreign country as a 20-yo and face all that hate was, according to Dahlén, rather intimidating. Today he has left it behind him, but he stresses the importance of well-being both as a person and as an athlete.

“I think I was vilified, to be honest. The most important thing is your health; if you feel well, you play well,” he says.

The mental stress also had an impact on his hockey. After a dialogue with his agent they settled on a fresh start. Today Dahlén is back in Sweden and is expected to return to his old team Timrå IK.

“You should always trust your gut feeling. I have learnt a lot and can give it my best wherever I end up now,” he says about the potential return to Timrå.

Transfer to Timrå IK
Jonathan Dahlén is rumoured to return to Sweden and Timrå IK. The news has raised many eye brows. SVT met him ahead of practice at NHK Arena.
There has been talk of a transfer from the NHL team San José to Timrå IK for months and negotiations have been dragging on. But it now seems Timrå is close to landing the best acquisition of any team in HockeyAllsvenskan.

“Sometimes you need a fresh start and I hope we can close this deal so Jonathan gets a good start and can return to where he was a couple of years ago and then build from there. In time he will be a completely different player,” Timrå IK coach Fredrik Andersson says.

At present Dahlén still belongs to the San José organisation who traded with the Vancouver Canucks for his rights the past winter. There’s talk though that he has had a hard time acclimatizing to the AHL.

“There’s a lot left of my career, I’m just 21, but it seems a lot of people think I should sum up my career, like if I were to quit. But I’m 21 years old and could hopefully have some 14-15 years left of my career,” Jonathan Dahlén says.

Dahlén has spent the summer practising with Timrå IK, but that’s not unique for him. That’s what most overseas professionals from the area do during the summer.

“What I want to do now is to wait for what the different teams have to say and then come to an agreement with them on what to do next,” Jonathan Dahlén says.

So, my conclusions upon reading this:

1) The Utica situation is messed up, “If you don’t get the ice time you need as a 21-yo and you have a coach that doesn’t talk to you, it’s hard to know what you need to do” is imho a rather damning statement. Dahlén doesn't have the sky-is-the-limit potential of Petey, but he captained a team at age 20 in the Swedish second tier league and led them to a promotion to the SHL while at the same time winning the scoring title and being named league MVP. That's more than average hockey skill. That's more than average leadership material. He definitely has what it takes to be successful on the ice. But you end up in a foreign country and you realize you're in the coach's dog house and you don't feel you get any input as to what you need to change to get more ice time. That's terrible asset management.

2) Even if it stinks that his potential was not nurtured and put to good use, the unexpected trade with San José may have been smart. If Dahlén now ends up spending several years in Sweden, the Nucks at least got something for nothing. I still hope he will get another shot at the NHL, but for now it seems he wants to take a step back and get a fresh start.

3) Once he has licked his wounds and gotten his mojo back I hope he could still eventually end up in a Canuck uniform.

Lancer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:10 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:50 pm

rats19 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:29 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:21 pm

micky107 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:45 am Not really young anymore, (I guess compared to me ), but; Captain Nikita Tryamkin with the blast from the point on the power play makes it 1-0 Avtomobilist.
https://twitter.com/Fan2Abby/status/1159029713349689344

He isn’t a prospect whatsoever. He’s 25 and he may or may not come back. Some posters like to wet their panties thinking about him coming back though which is adorable

Not sure I’m moistening the Hanes.... but I’d like to have him back

I’d like to see him back as well rats. I just get a kick out of the people saying “he’s coming back” after a random tweet or a whack off session. If he comes back, that’s wonderful but I’m not counting on it. Just like I’m not counting on Juolevi ever being a prominent player. It would be great if these things happened however, but it’s like found money at this point.

A high first round pick becoming a prominent player is not ‘found money’. I fully expect him to be a regular player once he gets healthy and some development time in. I think the ceiling and floor of his potential are not that far apart. ‘Found Money’ usually applies to picks in the 3rd round or later.

As for Tryamkin, he could be ‘found money’ if he comes back and pulls a Marek Malik in his heyday in Vancouver. Hardly impossible or even unlikely, but I’m not holding my breath.

Juolevi has flamed out to this point due to injuries and indifferent play. I have low expectations for the player at this point. I hope he can get it together and become a solid 2nd pairing guy down the road. I’m not overly optimistic that this will happen. So if he does, to me that’s found money. If he becomes a regular at all in the future that’s a minor win imho.

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:13 am
Juolevi has flamed out to this point due to injuries and indifferent play. I have low expectations for the player at this point. I hope he can get it together and become a solid 2nd pairing guy down the road. I’m not overly optimistic that this will happen. So if he does, to me that’s found money. If he becomes a regular at all in the future that’s a minor win imho.

Fair enough. He'll get his shot in pre-season and likely down in Utica and then see what he does in the NHL when called up de to an injury
or something, (trade)?
He has to know there are only so many kicks at the can.

Crap micky. Juolevi hasn’t really had his first kick at the can. Sure he had last years camp, but that’s it. He ain’t had a sniff in the NHL. I think he will be an everyday NHLer. Just don’t know if that top, mid, or bottom pairing.

Nobody even kows what the hell we have in juolevi.

Speculation swings from full on bust to top pairing and i for one need to know this fall. Enough of the injuries too. Stay out traffic olli unless you know how to cross the street

Bitch

Per wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:55 am Looking for articles on Pettersson (I found a few, but behind pay walls that I don't want to sign up for) I stumbled across two short notices on Dahlén on the SVT (Swedish Television) website:

Probably should have quit lookin around at that point...

Per wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:55 am
So, my conclusions upon reading this:

1) The Utica situation is messed up, “If you don’t get the ice time you need as a 21-yo and you have a coach that doesn’t talk to you, it’s hard to know what you need to do” is imho a rather damning statement. Dahlén doesn't have the sky-is-the-limit potential of Petey, but he captained a team at age 20 in the Swedish second tier league and led them to a promotion to the SHL while at the same time winning the scoring title and being named league MVP. That's more than average hockey skill. That's more than average leadership material. He definitely has what it takes to be successful on the ice. But you end up in a foreign country and you realize you're in the coach's dog house and you don't feel you get any input as to what you need to change to get more ice time. That's terrible asset management.

2) Even if it stinks that his potential was not nurtured and put to good use, the unexpected trade with San José may have been smart. If Dahlén now ends up spending several years in Sweden, the Nucks at least got something for nothing. I still hope he will get another shot at the NHL, but for now it seems he wants to take a step back and get a fresh start.

Sounds more to me that he is just a lower profile version of Louis Eriksson that feels he has to find a way to take the blame off himself for
not succeeding! Utica isn't the best system of the 31 major NHL farm teams but it isn't what he proclaims, and that's for sure.
I don't want to get in trouble, Per, but Dahlen IS spewing the poor little me routine, and it's ugly!
If he really had potential, it would have showed.
This is garbage and I'm being as polite as I can.

Per wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:55 am
3) Once he has licked his wounds and gotten his mojo back I hope he could still eventually end up in a Canuck uniform.

I'd rather give the 40 year old Russian a shot>>>>>>>>>>>>yikes

More on Dahlen>>>>>>>>no paywall

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/players/jonathan-dahlen

Per wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:55 am Looking for articles on Pettersson (I found a few, but behind pay walls that I don't want to sign up for) I stumbled across two short notices on Dahlén on the SVT (Swedish Television) website:

Jonathan Dahlén about the hard times: ”I was being vilified”
After the hard time in the AHL the hockey talent Jonathan Dahlén is back in Sweden – and rumoured to return to Timrå. For a while he had to shut down his social media and is now talking about the importance of taking mental health seriously.

Jonathan Dahlén’s trade from Vancouver to San José received a lot of attention. Hate comments fom Vancouver Canuck fans flooded Dahlén’s social media and his mental state wasn’t at its best after hectic hours with the Utica Comets.

“If you don’t get the ice time you need as a 21-yo and you have a coach that doesn’t talk to you, it’s hard to know what you need to do,” he says.
To be on your own in a foreign country as a 20-yo and face all that hate was, according to Dahlén, rather intimidating. Today he has left it behind him, but he stresses the importance of well-being both as a person and as an athlete.

“I think I was vilified, to be honest. The most important thing is your health; if you feel well, you play well,” he says.

The mental stress also had an impact on his hockey. After a dialogue with his agent they settled on a fresh start. Today Dahlén is back in Sweden and is expected to return to his old team Timrå IK.

So, my conclusions upon reading this:

1) The Utica situation is messed up... That's terrible asset management.

2) Even if it stinks that his potential was not nurtured and put to good use, the unexpected trade with San José may have been smart.

3) Once he has licked his wounds and gotten his mojo back I hope he could still eventually end up in a Canuck uniform.

Thanks for finding and posting.

I have my doubts about Utica as well. But it isn't just Utica. He bolted from the Barracudas, and that organization has had pretty good success developing players, hasn't it? Dahlen sounds like a kid who had a real hard time being out on his own, away from home. Actually reads to me like the product of a dependant privileged upbringing. So when those things aren't there, there is a lack of resilience to deal with adversity causing mental health problems (likely anxiety or depression). You can see the privilege/entitlement mindset (not getting the ice time -- it wasn't like he was limited to 4th line minutes or scratched), you can see the need to be stroked (coaches don't talk to me), and the inability to deal with negative feedback or asshats (had to shut down social media).

I think nearly every young man (and woman) faces some kind of struggle when they transition to adulthood. You deal with it, figure it out. But if you are coddled as a child or overly protected from adversity, you are far less likely to have the resiliency to deal with these adversities. It takes resiliency to move to a new continent, lose your support network, go from golden boy to to being no one special, play in a decaying city, ride busses for a living. And its all the more difficult when you have unreasonable expectations about where you are in relation to others.

But having said all that, I also agree it is terrible asset management to lose a decent prospect to depression or anxiety *without trying to provide support to the player to address it* and giving that some time to take root. The assumption here is that Utica/Vancouver didn't do anything to try to provide Dahlen that support; I don't know what they tried and I don't know how clear Dahlen was about his struggles (or how well he masked them).

If Dahlen's dream is to play in the NHL (it might not be), then I hope he can rebuild himself. But I am skeptical that the best move to that end is to return to the most comfortable place.

This is an even more detailed version of what Dahlen has been saying and his thought pattern;
https://canucksarmy.com/2019/03/05/jona ... ucks-fans/

Probably best if he completely gives up Twitter and Instagram.

Just not ready>>>>>>>>>where have I heard that before? oh ya, I remember.

micky107 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:47 am This is an even more detailed version of what Dahlen has been saying and his thought pattern;
https://canucksarmy.com/2019/03/05/jona ... ucks-fans/

As for development, Dahlen is quoted in that article as saying, "I have not been able to do anything offensive without being afraid of being benched if I make a mistake."

I think this is an issue with Green and Goldobin as well. The goal in hockey is not to eliminate errors. It is to score more goals than the other team. And the best way to do that isn't a secret: (1) create more chances than the other team and (2) have a good keeper. Errors can contribute to chances by the other team. Making only safe plays reduces chances you get.

Of course, with Dahlen, I'm thinking, if you aren't scared of leaving and playing in Europe, why don't you just play your game? The worst thing that can happen to you by continuing to play a offensive minded game is that you get cut and go to Europe, just like you are doing. Apprehension and its consequences, though, are not the stuff of rational thought.

micky107 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:47 am This is an even more detailed version of what Dahlen has been saying and his thought pattern;
https://canucksarmy.com/2019/03/05/jona ... ucks-fans/

Probably best if he completely gives up Twitter and Instagram.

Just not ready>>>>>>>>>where have I heard that before? oh ya, I remember.

I have had a bit of toughness and measures like that. They have treated me in a way that does not bring out the best hockey player in me or developed me. They have had the wrong approach and that is what I have told the agent. That it is the wrong way to treat me if they want me to develop

Yeah, that's not a good look on a 20 year old rookie, dictating what is the right or wrong way to treat him.

I think he lacked maturity, and should have spent another year or 2 in the SHL. But for the reasons Per pointed out, his lack of readiness for North America was not apparent - he seemed like he should be more ready then he was.