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5thhorseman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:07 pm

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Jul 31, 2025 6:50 pm Drafting isn’t everything, very true. I was merely pointing out that recognizing when to pull triggers on trades can mean all the difference in the world. There were opportunities to make trades to clean up a known dressing room problem long before the problem got out of hand and becoming public.

Looks to me like they took a gamble on resolving the locker room issues with a payoff being strong down the middle with Petterson/Miller. Combine that with our strong D and goaltending, would we be Tier 1 then?

Instead, we are judging them with the benefit of hindsight. Is that really fair Dude?

If the dressing room problems were known prior (likely), then it was also known that despite those problems these players had shown an ability to play well together despite those differences. The blow up/shut down was always going to be within a range of possibilities, but it wasn't the most likely outcome and success in this sport requires calculated risks and not simply managing against a worst case scenario.

But this board is full of those discussions, as well as critiques of management. This thread is about where the Pacific teams stand.

But management/staff can certainly come into play there, too. And what's interesting about this offseason is how two of the three teams better than the Canucks have had a bad offseason, and that could create some openings. The Oilers are worse than last year, I think, though they might get a better performance from Skinner and it will be good for them to have a Walman for the year (though doesn't anyone wonder why Detroit wanted out from Walman so much? Is there a ticking time bomb there?). The Kings are measurably worse. All of their additions were subtractions (IMO), and who trusts Holland? I think Hiller is pretty good, but he was outcoached in their series against the Oilers and was unable to find a way to regain the early series momentum after blowing game 3.

The Canucks management, for its many flaws, have had some in season success when it comes to personnel moves, having shored up the defense two years running. Their big question mark after Demko and EP40 bouncing back is Adam Foote. We just don't know if he has the stuff to be an NHL coach.

UWSaint wrote: ↑Fri Aug 01, 2025 9:39 am If the dressing room problems were known prior (likely), then it was also known that despite those problems these players had shown an ability to play well together despite those differences. The blow up/shut down was always going to be within a range of possibilities, but it wasn't the most likely outcome and success in this sport requires calculated risks and not simply managing against a worst case scenario.

From what I've read / understood it sounded like when they were winning, these 'differences' weren't coming to the forefront. As last season started out, and the losses piled up, the division grew. Management likely thought the winning ways would continue and the problems would stay in the background. Cue an injured Demko, and struggling Petey and the team started feeding on itself. Easy to see it coming with 20/20 hindsight, but likely more like management was the proverbial frog in a pot of water.

Was it mismanaged? I think this crew has a habit of letting things go to far (Boudreau, for example) until it becomes major drama.

Cornuck wrote: ↑Fri Aug 01, 2025 10:04 am Was it mismanaged? I think this crew has a habit of letting things go to far (Boudreau, for example) until it becomes major drama.

This crew created the Boudreau issue and drama.

Clearly they didn’t manage the problem to the benefit of this organization as we all saw the result of their mismanagement. They had an opportunity to get ahead of it before the drama became aware to the public. At that point the damage was done. Got a devalued return on Miller when they were forced to make a change while trying to move Pettersson at $11.6 in which nobody clearly was interested in appeasing the ask.

Some of the worst management I’ve seen in awhile. Hopefully they can find their way back. I think they can if they lessen their mistakes moving forward.

UWSaint wrote: ↑Fri Aug 01, 2025 11:35 am

Cornuck wrote: ↑Fri Aug 01, 2025 10:04 am Was it mismanaged? I think this crew has a habit of letting things go to far (Boudreau, for example) until it becomes major drama.

This crew created the Boudreau issue and drama.

The dressing room drama existed before Allvin and Rutherford arrived. They “had hoped” it would resolve itself. It didn’t. They were wrong. It just got worse and worse over time. I honestly think they entertained the idea of moving Pettersson prior to giving Petey his new contract because of the rift. That was where the mistake was made. Should’ve traded Petey then. Kind of like what Carolina did with Petey’s fellow draft class mate - Necas. Carolina’s fail was taking a chance on resigning Rantanen. That gamble failed but they did end up getting a decent package from Dallas in the end for Rantanen which was centre - Stankoven, 1st rd pick in 2026, 1st rd pick in 2028, 3rd rd pick in 2026, 3rd rd pick in 2027

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Aug 01, 2025 11:36 am Clearly they didn’t manage the problem to the benefit of this organization as we all saw the result of their mismanagement of it. They had an opportunity to get ahead of it before it became aware to the public. At the point the damage was done. Got a devalued return on Miller when they were forced to make a change while trying to move Pettersson at $11.6 in which nobody clearly was interested in appeasing the ask.

Some of the worst management I’ve seen in awhile. Hopefully they can find their way back. I think they can if they lessen their mistakes moving forward.

Dodge #4

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Aug 01, 2025 11:39 am

UWSaint wrote: ↑Fri Aug 01, 2025 11:35 am

Cornuck wrote: ↑Fri Aug 01, 2025 10:04 am Was it mismanaged? I think this crew has a habit of letting things go to far (Boudreau, for example) until it becomes major drama.

This crew created the Boudreau issue and drama.

The dressing room drama existed before Allvin and Rutherford arrived. They “had hoped” it would resolve itself. It didn’t. They were wrong. It just got worse and worse over time. I honestly think they entertained the idea of moving Pettersson prior to giving Petey his new contract because of the rift. That was where the mistake was made. Should’ve traded Petey then. Kind of like what Carolina did with Petey’s fellow draft class mate - Necas. Carolina’s fail was taking a chance on resigning Rantanen. That gamble failed but they did end up getting a decent package from Dallas in the end for Rantanen which was centre - Stankoven, 1st rd pick in 2026, 1st rd pick in 2028, 3rd rd pick in 2026, 3rd rd pick in 2027

Dodge #5

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Aug 01, 2025 11:36 am . Got a devalued return on Miller when they were forced to make a change while trying to move Pettersson at $11.6 in which nobody clearly was interested in appeasing the ask.

Some of the worst management I’ve seen in awhile. Hopefully they can find their way back. I think they can if they lessen their mistakes moving forward.

Miller (and a few turds) became Mancini, O'Connor, Chytl and MPete. How the hell is that devalued??

O’Connor, Mancini, Chytil???? superstars. Old man 2nd pairing Marcus Pettersson, .

It’s astounding to me that you sir Tciso do not think we could have received a better haul on Miller pre-Allstar game 2024 when there was a problem in the room between Miller and Pettersson but it hadn’t started affecting team performance at the time. Prior to that 2024 all-star game Miller was one of the top 5 players in the game. He would’ve most certainly returned a better package than the shite package they ended with had they stayed ahead of it. But no, here we are with lemon head Chytil, bottom 6 O’Connor, 3rd pairing at best Mancini and old man M. Pete on 2nd pairing. Garbage

Mancini was the top value asset. You're selling him short

Cousin Strawberry wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 10:07 am Mancini was the top value asset. You're selling him short

He struggled mightily in the Calder Cup playoffs. We don’t know what we got in him yet. But the cat ain’t all that anyways, at best 3rd pairing Aaron Rome or Ryan Stanton or something.

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 6:23 am O’Connor, Mancini, Chytil???? superstars. Old man 2nd pairing Marcus Pettersson, .

It’s astounding to me that you sir Tciso do not think we could have received a better haul on Miller pre-Allstar game 2024 when there was a problem in the room between Miller and Pettersson but it hadn’t started affecting team performance at the time. Prior to that 2024 all-star game Miller was one of the top 5 players in the game. He would’ve most certainly returned a better package than the shite package they ended with had they stayed ahead of it. But no, here we are with lemon head Chytil, bottom 6 O’Connor, 3rd pairing at best Mancini and old man M. Pete on 2nd pairing. Garbage

JT doesn't waive until the situation becomes unbearable for him. I doubt we could have traded him much sooner than we did. Pettersson on the other hand we could have dealt anytime before this past July 1st.