Maybe it will age badly but I'd bet against it. He's a very smart player and those guys can usually figure out how to stay relevant a long time.Mëds wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2024 2:53 pmAgreed. Except on Guentzel. He’s not worth more than Miller.Diehard1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2024 12:57 pmAgreed - it seems guys are able to maintain their fitness much longer now than they did previously so I'm not all that concerned about signing a 29 year old to a 5-6 year deal, especially when it's a guy who is good because he's smarter than most. It seems the guys who fall off the map are speed guys, or big guys that hit all the time and their body falls apart in their 30s. That said I don't want to sign a guy until they are 40 unless it's a superstar (Crosby, etc) but until age 35 for the right guys I'm good.
I'd move on from Lindholm. He's a very good player but that's not worth $7 million + a season when JT and Petey are your 1-2 centers. I think Lindholm knows it too which is why he's not re-signing here. He's replaceable, can find a 40-50 point center - which is what he'd be here as a 3rd line matchup guy - elsewhere for cheaper.
Still waiting on what's happening with the D. Loved what Z brought and I'd love him back, but a physical guy who doesn't score at a high rate and isn't a top caliber defensive D can't be paid more than $5 million a season, max. Other guys can do what he can (or close to it) at a much cheaper rate. Hronek is the same, $7 million max and if not then move on. If we have to get a new guy then give me Matt Roy, or trade for Shea Theodore who is almost surely out in Vegas - both will be way cheaper per season than Hronek, both play the right side and in Theodore's case he's local and might be easier to extend, and if there's one thing this team has it's the cap space to absorb his deal no issue.
Forwards I'm down with Guentzel if that's possible, even if he costs $9 million a season. Those are the guys you pay for. If he is signed that's a massive upgrade to the offense and can then concentrate on bringing in 2 d-men. After that it's a couple of big bodies to hit to hurt and can play the 3rd/4th line, or move up in the lineup when needed. I'm thinking Duhaime (rumoured), Christian Fischer, Yakov Trenin, Martinook, etc - quite a few of them available at almost surely under $3 million a season.
Lots of time and cap space - this team has a great chance to be very good next year. They have a couple of big holes at wing and at D (if Hronek leaves) but more than enough room to fix both.
$9M on him could be a contract that ages as badly as Jeff Skinner’s.
Agree on Lindholm - too much term and money. He's a very good defensive player, an above average offensive player but is about to turn 30 and has already started to regress. Give me Guentzel at the same age for close to the same money any day. A super high-end 3rd line centre is not something that really any team in the league has, they usually spread the money out and we already have 2 top 10 scoring centers so don't need to tie up a bunch of money in a 3rd.2Fingers wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:42 pm People want to sign a 29 yo guy who has regressed from a PPG to 44 points in 72 games and will turn 30 in December to a 7 year deal worth $7M - $8M?
Well at least we know which boat anchor of a contract we will be talking about in 3 seasons.
You don't sign 29 year old players to long term deal, let other GMs do those stupid things. The only time you do that is when he is your own player and you know what you have. His FO% is good, I grant you that but he ain't worth the money he is asking for.
Ageist!2Fingers wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:42 pm People want to sign a 29 yo guy who has regressed from a PPG to 44 points in 72 games and will turn 30 in December to a 7 year deal worth $7M - $8M?
Well at least we know which boat anchor of a contract we will be talking about in 3 seasons.
You don't sign 29 year old players to long term deal, let other GMs do those stupid things. The only time you do that is when he is your own player and you know what you have. His FO% is good, I grant you that but he ain't worth the money he is asking for.
I think they were just looking for centre depth with Lindholm, which is not a bad thing. When the 3rd line showed the scoring ability, perhaps it was a matter of upgrading at centre to boost their scoring potential to have three scoring lines instead of the traditional matchup/checking 3rd line. In the end, Lindholm rose to the occasion when Petey faltered in the playoffs, which skews the perception of his value in Vancouver. If management is going to stick with Petey at centre, then Lindholm is a luxury that few teams can afford on their 3rd line at the price he's seeking. He could make the argument that he is a proper 2C and get paid like one. He'll have to then accept that even making the playoffs is no guarantee depending on who signs him. Evidently, management is not going to entertain Petey on Lindholm's wing on the 2nd line. Not like previous experiments there yielded much, or was that a matter of two injured players having a hard time getting on the same page?Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 12:39 am We need a Maholtra type there. Colour me stupid but I thought Blugar did a great job as 3rd line centre. So to me at the TDD a 3rd line centre should not have been a priority. Why did they not wait until their man from Pittsburg was available. I think Allvin was a little quick to jump the gun.
trying not to get in to a media frenzied knot here, as requested, but sure if you give a 1 million discount to each of Lindholm, Hronek and Zed from what the reports are then you can make it work. I mean I would be on board with the prices you are suggesting but if they aren't signing, they aren't signing.Tciso wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 9:59 am So, messing around with the line up. Here is a projection. If we kep/replace Myers and Cole for $3.5mil, we are in good shape. Here is my estimate. Sorry if the formatting goes to shit. But, my lineup is only over by $1.5 mil, with 23 players. Demote a couple of 4th liners, and we fit under the cap. I just ignored Poolman, as we will need his LTIR. I also still managed $7mil for Hronek and Lindholm, $5 for Zed, and $3 for Joshua. So, don't get your shit into a media frenzied knot. We could come back with basically the same lineup pretty easily. Now, it's time to make improvements, not just hanging onto what we had.
2 Pettersson, Elias C, LW 25 $11,600,000
1 Miller, J.T. C, LW, RW 31 $8,000,000
1 Boeser, Brock RW 27 $6,650,000
3 Garland, Conor RW, LW 28 $4,950,000
4 Mikheyev, Ilya LW, RW 29 $4,750,000
1 Suter, Pius C, LW 28 $1,600,000
2 Höglander, Nils LW, RW 23 $1,100,000
2 Podkolzin, Vasily RW, LW 22 $1,000,000
S Åman, Nils C 24 $825,000
S Di Giuseppe, Phillip LW 30 $775,000
4 Blueger, Teddy C, LW 29 $1,800,000
3 Joshua, Dakota LW 28 $3,000,000
4 Lafferty, Sam RW, C, LW 29 $1,200,000
3 Lindholm, Elias C, RW 29 $7,000,000
1 Hughes, Quinn "C" LD 24 $7,850,000
2 Soucy, Carson LD/RD 29 $3,250,000
S Juulsen, Noah RD 27 $775,000
1 Hronek, Filip RD 26 $7,000,000
3 New Cole LD/RD 35 $1,000,000
3 New Meyers RD 34 $2,500,000
2 Zadorov, Nikita LD/RD 29 $5,000,000
1 Demko, Thatcher G 28 $5,000,000
2 Silovs, Arturs G 23 $950,000
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver $2,346,667
Total $89,921,667
*sigh*Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 11:04 am FML. That cap hit for EP is egregious.
Prior to signing his current $8M deal, Miller produced at 1.06 ppg pace for 3 seasons.
In comparison, Pettersson produced at a 1.07 ppg rate over the 3 seasons (including this one) leading up to his new contract which kicks in next year.
$3.6M more for a player who produces the same points but brings significantly less everywhere else. And Blobby says Benning was a piss poor cap manager.