2024 Offseason - moving forward

[2Fingers]

Every contract for a guy over 29 seems to be shit to you after 3 seasons Reef.

Not everybody is Lous Erickson.

Brad Marchand still looks pretty good out there.

And Stamkos.

And Hedman.

And Crosby.

As did Patrice Bergeron.

Edit...grammar.

Absofuckinglootly, vast majority of deals for any player going into their mid 30’s rarely age well. If he was a critical piece and could win us a cup I’m all over it. He isn’t so the deal is bad.

I’m not going to comment on the names you mentioned as those are in an elite class.

Canucks need to play it safe and just do what is right. Their window is t just 1-2 years it can be longer.

[Diehard1]

Every contract for a guy over 29 seems to be shit to you after 3 seasons Reef.

Not everybody is Lous Erickson.

Brad Marchand still looks pretty good out there.

And Stamkos.

And Hedman.

And Crosby.

As did Patrice Bergeron.

Edit...grammar.

Agreed - it seems guys are able to maintain their fitness much longer now than they did previously so I'm not all that concerned about signing a 29 year old to a 5-6 year deal, especially when it's a guy who is good because he's smarter than most. It seems the guys who fall off the map are speed guys, or big guys that hit all the time and their body falls apart in their 30s. That said I don't want to sign a guy until they are 40 unless it's a superstar (Crosby, etc) but until age 35 for the right guys I'm good.

I'd move on from Lindholm. He's a very good player but that's not worth $7 million + a season when JT and Petey are your 1-2 centers. I think Lindholm knows it too which is why he's not re-signing here. He's replaceable, can find a 40-50 point center - which is what he'd be here as a 3rd line matchup guy - elsewhere for cheaper.

Still waiting on what's happening with the D. Loved what Z brought and I'd love him back, but a physical guy who doesn't score at a high rate and isn't a top caliber defensive D can't be paid more than $5 million a season, max. Other guys can do what he can (or close to it) at a much cheaper rate. Hronek is the same, $7 million max and if not then move on. If we have to get a new guy then give me Matt Roy, or trade for Shea Theodore who is almost surely out in Vegas - both will be way cheaper per season than Hronek, both play the right side and in Theodore's case he's local and might be easier to extend, and if there's one thing this team has it's the cap space to absorb his deal no issue.

Forwards I'm down with Guentzel if that's possible, even if he costs $9 million a season. Those are the guys you pay for. If he is signed that's a massive upgrade to the offense and can then concentrate on bringing in 2 d-men. After that it's a couple of big bodies to hit to hurt and can play the 3rd/4th line, or move up in the lineup when needed. I'm thinking Duhaime (rumoured), Christian Fischer, Yakov Trenin, Martinook, etc - quite a few of them available at almost surely under $3 million a season.

Lots of time and cap space - this team has a great chance to be very good next year. They have a couple of big holes at wing and at D (if Hronek leaves) but more than enough room to fix both.

[Meds]

Every contract for a guy over 29 seems to be shit to you after 3 seasons Reef.

Not everybody is Lous Erickson.

Brad Marchand still looks pretty good out there.

And Stamkos.

And Hedman.

And Crosby.

As did Patrice Bergeron.

Edit...grammar.

Agreed - it seems guys are able to maintain their fitness much longer now than they did previously so I'm not all that concerned about signing a 29 year old to a 5-6 year deal, especially when it's a guy who is good because he's smarter than most. It seems the guys who fall off the map are speed guys, or big guys that hit all the time and their body falls apart in their 30s. That said I don't want to sign a guy until they are 40 unless it's a superstar (Crosby, etc) but until age 35 for the right guys I'm good.

I'd move on from Lindholm. He's a very good player but that's not worth $7 million + a season when JT and Petey are your 1-2 centers. I think Lindholm knows it too which is why he's not re-signing here. He's replaceable, can find a 40-50 point center - which is what he'd be here as a 3rd line matchup guy - elsewhere for cheaper.

Still waiting on what's happening with the D. Loved what Z brought and I'd love him back, but a physical guy who doesn't score at a high rate and isn't a top caliber defensive D can't be paid more than $5 million a season, max. Other guys can do what he can (or close to it) at a much cheaper rate. Hronek is the same, $7 million max and if not then move on. If we have to get a new guy then give me Matt Roy, or trade for Shea Theodore who is almost surely out in Vegas - both will be way cheaper per season than Hronek, both play the right side and in Theodore's case he's local and might be easier to extend, and if there's one thing this team has it's the cap space to absorb his deal no issue.

Forwards I'm down with Guentzel if that's possible, even if he costs $9 million a season. Those are the guys you pay for. If he is signed that's a massive upgrade to the offense and can then concentrate on bringing in 2 d-men. After that it's a couple of big bodies to hit to hurt and can play the 3rd/4th line, or move up in the lineup when needed. I'm thinking Duhaime (rumoured), Christian Fischer, Yakov Trenin, Martinook, etc - quite a few of them available at almost surely under $3 million a season.

Lots of time and cap space - this team has a great chance to be very good next year. They have a couple of big holes at wing and at D (if Hronek leaves) but more than enough room to fix both.

Agreed. Except on Guentzel. He’s not worth more than Miller.

$9M on him could be a contract that ages as badly as Jeff Skinner’s.

[donlever]

I’m not going to comment on the names you mentioned as those are in an elite class.

Not sure what to make of this Reef.

So you're saying only elite players can succeed at 32 years old?

[Per]

Still hoping they can somehow work it out with Lindholm. He was one of our better players in the playoffs.
Sure, going beyond 7 feels too steep. I don't know.

He's building a beachfront dreamhouse just out of town here in Gävle. Bäckström already has a house in that area, it's right next to the main golf course in Gävle as well, and Markström and Järnkrook are also building in that area.

Elias Lindholm's house:




Bäckström's:




Markström's:




Järnkrook's:

[BoS]

Losing Lindholm would leave a gaping hole in the lineup. 1st unit PP, 1st unit PK, among the best two-way centres in the game and an excellent f/o option. Impossible to replace without sacrificing (even more) important assets. Who even could they target as a replacement?

Tough to go higher than $7.5 tho. He’s gonna get paid, but can the club convince him to sign here with a chance to win?

[donlever]

Yeah...I'm with you BoS.

Lindholm is a solid piece.

Hopefully he's just floating for offers and ours is good enough comparably to tempt him to say.

Apparently he doesn't need a house with his new $$.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Can the Canucks still offer 8 years after July 1?

[Strangelove]

Can the Canucks still offer 8 years after July 1?

Nope.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Can the Canucks still offer 8 years after July 1?

Nope.

So their final offer should be an 8 yr term at something like 60 mill. It worx out to more than 8 x 7 and might get it done

I'd do that

[theman]

Can the Canucks still offer 8 years after July 1?

Nope.

So their final offer should be an 8 yr term at something like 60 mill. It worx out to more than 8 x 7 and might get it done

I'd do that

Agree, to me, the more important details would be the NMC and LTC parts of the contacts.

give full NMC for the first half of the contracts and then very limited trade protection for the next 3 years and no trade protection for the final year.

[Raile]

I was wondering the other day why we offered him 7x7 (assuming its accurate). I mean at that point, why not offer him the one more year we are the only team who can? If you're going that route by signing him to a full length deal, one more year isn't going to change much other than be more enticing to him.

[dangler]

Losing Lindholm would leave a gaping hole in the lineup. 1st unit PP, 1st unit PK, among the best two-way centres in the game and an excellent f/o option. Impossible to replace without sacrificing (even more) important assets. Who even could they target as a replacement?

Tough to go higher than $7.5 tho. He’s gonna get paid, but can the club convince him to sign here with a chance to win?

Other than money, you could say the same about Hronek & Joshua

[theman]

Losing Lindholm would leave a gaping hole in the lineup. 1st unit PP, 1st unit PK, among the best two-way centres in the game and an excellent f/o option. Impossible to replace without sacrificing (even more) important assets. Who even could they target as a replacement?

Tough to go higher than $7.5 tho. He’s gonna get paid, but can the club convince him to sign here with a chance to win?

Monahan? Even he probably won't come cheap now.

[Strangelove]

Losing Lindholm would leave a gaping hole in the lineup. 1st unit PP, 1st unit PK, among the best two-way centres in the game and an excellent f/o option. Impossible to replace without sacrificing (even more) important assets. Who even could they target as a replacement?

Tough to go higher than $7.5 tho. He’s gonna get paid, but can the club convince him to sign here with a chance to win?

Monahan? Even he probably won't come cheap now.

30-yr-old Chandler Stephenson?

34-yr-old Adam Henrique?