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Richardstroker69 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:52 pm

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:26 pm You're going to have to pay EP over $10M/year and Hughes at least $9M/year soon... when the cap will likely still be stagnant.

What Barrie would want could be spread out over 2 or 3 less offensive but much more solid Dmen.

Hard no.

What Barrie will want and what he’ll get on the open market are 2 very different things. Also ep and Hughes won’t be paid that much(unless it’s for 8yr contracts), we’re not talking about dubas and the clown show in Toronto.

Sure they're two different things, but it won't be significantly different. Heck, he could get more than what he's asking for on the open market. But Barrie and his agent aren't going to bow much on cap or term.

Either way, we already have a big contract in Myers and I much prefer to try to keep Tanev, even if it's a short term contract like Edler signed. Hell, I'd rather have Benn, Tryamkin play their offsides and platoon with Rafferty as the 3rd pairing RD. Say bye to Stecher.

EP & Hughes won't be signing bridge contracts. JB would be insane not to lock them up long-term, so yes, they and their agents will be looking for something similar to what their peers have gotten. Even if they gave a "home-town discount", it won't be much of one. Look at an average of $10M each.

Aqua can't afford to fuck his two franchise stars around over a fistful of dollars.

ESQ wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:12 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:03 pm
Bridging Pettersson or Hughes would be pretty stupid. 8 year 10 million dollar deals for both.

Hughes is eligible to re-sign now (I think), you're telling me you'd do 8x$10mil after 77 NHL games?

I mean, I'm not going to debate that he's not worth it, but shit that's a big nut after a very short window.

They are both eligible to re-up after the season ends (the new July 1 whenever that is). Yes I would easily pay these kids 8x10 and I wouldn’t blink. They sign a 3 year bridge, you might be looking at 8x13 down the road.

I point to the laufs and coilers, and how they structured their contracts, then at the Blues and Boston.. ask they if they want to be competitive as a team for 3-4 years or 7-8. Then offer matching 8x8’s.

It’s not like these 2 guys ain’t gonna make their money and get paid.

Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:17 pm I point to the laufs and coilers, and how they structured their contracts, then at the Blues and Boston.. ask they if they want to be competitive as a team for 3-4 years or 7-8. Then offer matching 8x8’s.

It’s not like these 2 guys ain’t gonna make their money and get paid.

They aren’t leaving 16 million each on the table

Oilers have the best player in the league, they have to pay him accordingly... as the highest paid player or very near the top at least. They overpaid Draisaitl IMO.

Dubas is a dumbass and miscalculated badly when the Tavares opportunity presented itself. He already knew he had to pay Matthews as one of the top players in the game. Then be compounded his problems by doubling down on "keeping the band together", then he poured more gas on the fire by bending over to Marner AND Willy.

4 forwards who can only play one end of the ice taking half of the cap.

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:28 pm Oilers have the best player in the league, they have to pay him accordingly... as the highest paid player or very near the top at least. They overpaid Draisaitl IMO.

Dubas is a dumbass and miscalculated badly when the Tavares opportunity presented itself. Then be compounded his problems by doubling down on "keeping the band together", then he poured more gas on the fire by bending over to Marner AND Willy.

4 forwards who can only play one end of the ice taking half of the cap.

None of those contracts are bad though. Those guys are all fantastic players and you could get good to great value for all of them if the teams chose to move them. The roster construction however leaves something to be desired.

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:31 pm

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:28 pm Oilers have the best player in the league, they have to pay him accordingly... as the highest paid player or very near the top at least. They overpaid Draisaitl IMO.

Dubas is a dumbass and miscalculated badly when the Tavares opportunity presented itself. Then be compounded his problems by doubling down on "keeping the band together", then he poured more gas on the fire by bending over to Marner AND Willy.

4 forwards who can only play one end of the ice taking half of the cap.

None of those contracts are bad though. Those guys are all fantastic players and you could get good to great value for all of them if the teams chose to move them. The roster construction however leaves something to be desired.

Maybe individually they aren’t bad but put them all on the same team it compounds itself

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:31 pm

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:28 pm Oilers have the best player in the league, they have to pay him accordingly... as the highest paid player or very near the top at least. They overpaid Draisaitl IMO.

Dubas is a dumbass and miscalculated badly when the Tavares opportunity presented itself. Then be compounded his problems by doubling down on "keeping the band together", then he poured more gas on the fire by bending over to Marner AND Willy.

4 forwards who can only play one end of the ice taking half of the cap.

None of those contracts are bad though. Those guys are all fantastic players and you could get good to great value for all of them if the teams chose to move them. The roster construction however leaves something to be desired.

True. They're market value contracts. Also agree on the team construction part.

I just wanted to point out that is why EP & Hughes aren't taking big haircuts. And Aqua WILL pay what they ask for.

Dubas will not get value back for Willy, who he absolutely has to move now to solidify his D... because Burkie is right, they have to change course and forget about their all offense, all the time system. It's not working.

Oilers... well, I don't think it's fair to compare any other team to them. They've been in their own world when it comes to team construction.

rats19 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:39 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:31 pm

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:28 pm Oilers have the best player in the league, they have to pay him accordingly... as the highest paid player or very near the top at least. They overpaid Draisaitl IMO.

Dubas is a dumbass and miscalculated badly when the Tavares opportunity presented itself. Then be compounded his problems by doubling down on "keeping the band together", then he poured more gas on the fire by bending over to Marner AND Willy.

4 forwards who can only play one end of the ice taking half of the cap.

None of those contracts are bad though. Those guys are all fantastic players and you could get good to great value for all of them if the teams chose to move them. The roster construction however leaves something to be desired.

Maybe individually they aren’t bad but put them all on the same team it compounds itself

I'd say - they aren't "bad" contracts, but they're not "good" contracts either.

Boeser, Horvat, and Miller are all on good contracts. That makes a big difference on potential trade returns. Hopefully none of those players are traded by Benning, but when you sign all your guys to "not good" contracts, its tough to move them out for improvements in other areas.

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:21 pm

Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:17 pm I point to the laufs and coilers, and how they structured their contracts, then at the Blues and Boston.. ask they if they want to be competitive as a team for 3-4 years or 7-8. Then offer matching 8x8’s.

It’s not like these 2 guys ain’t gonna make their money and get paid.

They aren’t leaving 16 million each on the table

Drafting character dudes like Quinn and Elias are gonna surprise a lot of people when these guys re sign.

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:40 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:31 pm

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:28 pm Oilers have the best player in the league, they have to pay him accordingly... as the highest paid player or very near the top at least. They overpaid Draisaitl IMO.

Dubas is a dumbass and miscalculated badly when the Tavares opportunity presented itself. Then be compounded his problems by doubling down on "keeping the band together", then he poured more gas on the fire by bending over to Marner AND Willy.

4 forwards who can only play one end of the ice taking half of the cap.

None of those contracts are bad though. Those guys are all fantastic players and you could get good to great value for all of them if the teams chose to move them. The roster construction however leaves something to be desired.

True. They're market value contracts. Also agree on the team construction part.

I just wanted to point out that is why EP & Hughes aren't taking big haircuts. And Aqua WILL pay what they ask for.

Dubas will not get value back for Willy, who he absolutely has to move now to solidify his D... because Burkie is right, they have to change course and forget about their all offense, all the time system. It's not working.

Oilers... well, I don't think it's fair to compare any other team to them. They've been in their own world when it comes to team construction.

Nylander was pacing for 71 points this year. He’s a top line forward who’s 24. If Dubas can’t get good value back for him then he should be fired. I might move Marner myself, but one of them kinda has to be moved.

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:31 pm

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:28 pm Oilers have the best player in the league, they have to pay him accordingly... as the highest paid player or very near the top at least. They overpaid Draisaitl IMO.

Dubas is a dumbass and miscalculated badly when the Tavares opportunity presented itself. Then be compounded his problems by doubling down on "keeping the band together", then he poured more gas on the fire by bending over to Marner AND Willy.

4 forwards who can only play one end of the ice taking half of the cap.

None of those contracts are bad though.

OMG they're bad contracts!

Tavares will be 30 next month with 5 years left on that contract.

Considering the age his contract takes him to, that contract is at least $2M-per-yr more than it should be.

This year he showed signs of slowing down, and his career numbers are less than a point-per-gm. $11M??

If Matthews had signed at his cap-hit for 8 seasons his number would still be high (must compare to McDavid)

... but that is only a 5 year contract taking him to UFAgency!

HORRIBLE

Marner??

Go take a look at the Leaves board, most of them are saying he's overpaid by $2M-per

... and that one is only a 6-year deal!

Nylander's cap-hit is less than those others at $7M-per... but again, a 6-year deal!

Tavares will be done before his contract is, and those other 3 will be in-their-prime UFAs when theirs are up.

It's common knowledge that all four of those are bad contracts.

Hell, most Leaf fans are now admitting they're bad, though some admitted it at the time of the signings...

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:31 pm Those guys are all fantastic players and you could get good to great value for all of them if the teams chose to move them.

Well sure they could... because they're rare star players... there will always be teams in need of dat dere, even if overpaid.

But Tavares won't waive and the values would be higher on the other 3 if those were 8 year terms.

Another thing that makes them tradeable is the fact the Leaves have litterally paid half the real dollars due already.

(front-loaded)

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:31 pm The roster construction however leaves something to be desired.

Agreed.

BTW if I were running the Leaves, like you, Marner is the one I'd be looking to trade to bring balance.

Then pray Nylander's next season is like this last one...

JT might be overpaid by a bit but he should still score 70 + points a year for the balance of the contract. I don’t like the term for Matthews or Marner but the annual cap hit is inline- albeit at the top of the spectrum because they gouged the leaves for every dollar and only took five year deals. Dubas needs to move one of those guys this summer though. Maybe get creative and think of moving Matthews and one of Marner/Nylander.

As I said in a previous thread, this is going to be a wild off season with plenty of of moves. SKYO will be punching his clown on here daily.

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:40 pm I don’t like the term for Matthews or Marner but the annual cap hit is inline- albeit at the top of the spectrum because they voiced the Leaves for every dollar and only took five year deals.

Cap-hit and term go hand in hand.

Matthews $11.6M X 5 years is equivalent to $14M X 8.

Again, McDavid is the gold standard.

These contracts have fucked the Leaves over in the short-term and the long-term.

The only way to patch things up a bit is to trade Marner in my opinion.

But to do that Dubas would have to break his STUPID promise.

Honestly, I'd fire Shanny and Dumbass and let the new GM bring in his own coach.

Hopefully the Leaves do none of that.

leaves need to sign at least 2 right handed defenseman to replace Barrie and Ceci so I'd expect they'll take a hard run at Tanev. They'll probably have to overpay now that the Canucks are finally becoming something again and after how the leaves finished up and appear to look for next year. The Canucks are quickly turning back into a preferred destination for players, they just need Benning to pull a couple out of his rear and get through this cap issue.