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You hated Horvat

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:57 pm You hated Horvat

Because I hated Horvat doesn’t mean he’s a shit asset, in fact they did decent on the Horvat trade and the flip a pick for Hronek, no problems with it. It’s the decision to trade another top two line centre in Miller and use that flip a pick on “another” defenceman. Idiotic if you ask me, dawg.

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:47 pm Not sure what they were thinking there. One of them should’ve been used on getting a legit centre in return. I stand pat on this.

LOL.

Hronek was absolutely needed. It helped the Canucks enormously, and it should for years to come (unless he's dealt -- and I am sure he could bring back at least a "legit" center today -- so nothing is really done here).

Miller was only going to the Rangers. Which "legit" center? A past his prime Zibanejad? A starting his decline Trochek? Don't get me wrong, I think it would have been hilarious to get Trochek as part of the return given the circumstances. But I'm guessing that wasn't on the table for Miller or the Rangers (and possibly Vancouver was on Trochek's no trade list).

UWSaint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:10 pm

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:47 pm Not sure what they were thinking there. One of them should’ve been used on getting a legit centre in return. I stand pat on this.

LOL.

Hronek was absolutely needed. It helped the Canucks enormously, and it should for years to come (unless he's dealt -- and I am sure he could bring back at least a "legit" center today -- so nothing is really done here).

Miller was only going to the Rangers. Which "legit" center? A past his prime Zibanejad? A starting his decline Trochek? Don't get me wrong, I think it would have been hilarious to get Trochek as part of the return given the circumstances. But I'm guessing that wasn't on the table for Miller or the Rangers (and possibly Vancouver was on Trochek's no trade list).

Oh, and if you are going to say "they could have used the Rangers' first for something better," remember that a 15th overall + some value less than DEP/Willander wouldn't get you Rossi. I suspect that conditional first was being evaluated as a "mid first round" pick at the time.

UWSaint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:22 pm

UWSaint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:10 pm

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:47 pm Not sure what they were thinking there. One of them should’ve been used on getting a legit centre in return. I stand pat on this.

LOL.

Hronek was absolutely needed. It helped the Canucks enormously, and it should for years to come (unless he's dealt -- and I am sure he could bring back at least a "legit" center today -- so nothing is really done here).

Miller was only going to the Rangers. Which "legit" center? A past his prime Zibanejad? A starting his decline Trochek? Don't get me wrong, I think it would have been hilarious to get Trochek as part of the return given the circumstances. But I'm guessing that wasn't on the table for Miller or the Rangers (and possibly Vancouver was on Trochek's no trade list).

Oh, and if you are going to say "they could have used the Rangers' first for something better," remember that a 15th overall + some value less than DEP/Willander wouldn't get you Rossi. I suspect that conditional first was being evaluated as a "mid first round" pick at the time.

It’s all heresy yes, but they did get decent value in return for those flip a picks (Hronek and Pettersson), why couldn’t they get the same decent value in return for a centre instead? Allvin had been wanting M-Pete for awhile, IMHO his obsession with getting him blinded him on the dire situation created down the middle by off loading two top two line centres for no top two line centres in return. There’s no justification to this. IMO piss poor management that completely destroyed the strength of our top two lines not to mention walking our best winger - Boeser to UFA. I’m beside myself.

Three top two line players (Horvat, Miller, Boeser) replaced with no top two line players. Asinine!!

There is no Allvin Chef. He has very little to do other than grabbing coffee and depends undergarments for the old man

I Mac thinks the 15 OA pick is as good as gone and that won't be the only trade the Canucks will make this week.

One bold prediction

Despite the buyers’ market, the Canucks will get enough for their first-round pick to trade it this week for immediate help in the top six. And that won’t be their only trade before free agency opens as Allvin and Rutherford urgently try to reload for another run at the Stanley Cup Playoffs — and the chance to keep star defenceman Quinn Hughes beyond next season.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/ca ... rade-chip/

The pick is as good as gone. No regime has traded this many top end picks as these two. An abomination.

For crying out loud, we have finally fixed the defence. Something most had been going on about for several years. Yes our top six is putrid. Bottom six will be OK. Yes they screwed up in not getting assets for Boeser, after tearing him down for 2-3 years. But this reaction to weaken our defence to fix the centre position creates a circular pattern.

It boils down to one question. Are we re-tooling or trying to be competitive and win a Cup? If we are re-tooling then patience. If we are trying to be competitive and build a Cup, the same misguided steps we have been talking since 2010, then this could get ugly.

We know from all accounts that to land a good top six centre is going to cost us more than a mid 1st. It is going to costs us at least a good prospect. The Rangers pick would not on its own gotten us a top six. Who wants to part with Willander or D-Petey or..... Go back to the question. I know how I would answer. Im afraid I know how management will answer too.

It depends what they trade the pick for.

Chief flinging his diapers around again.

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:31 pm

UWSaint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:22 pm

UWSaint wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:10 pm

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:47 pm Not sure what they were thinking there. One of them should’ve been used on getting a legit centre in return. I stand pat on this.

LOL.

Hronek was absolutely needed. It helped the Canucks enormously, and it should for years to come (unless he's dealt -- and I am sure he could bring back at least a "legit" center today -- so nothing is really done here).

Miller was only going to the Rangers. Which "legit" center? A past his prime Zibanejad? A starting his decline Trochek? Don't get me wrong, I think it would have been hilarious to get Trochek as part of the return given the circumstances. But I'm guessing that wasn't on the table for Miller or the Rangers (and possibly Vancouver was on Trochek's no trade list).

Oh, and if you are going to say "they could have used the Rangers' first for something better," remember that a 15th overall + some value less than DEP/Willander wouldn't get you Rossi. I suspect that conditional first was being evaluated as a "mid first round" pick at the time.

It’s all heresy yes, but they did get decent value in return for those flip a picks (Hronek and Pettersson), why couldn’t they get the same decent value in return for a centre instead? Allvin had been wanting M-Pete for awhile, IMHO his obsession with getting him blinded him on the dire situation created down the middle by off loading two top two line centres for no top two line centres in return. There’s no justification to this. IMO piss poor management that completely destroyed the strength of our top two lines not to mention walking our best winger - Boeser to UFA. I’m beside myself.

Three top two line players (Horvat, Miller, Boeser) replaced with no top two line players. Asinine!!

No idea what you're yammering about here.

Top two line players - Miller, Horvat, Boeser gone. And for what? Nothing on the top two lines.

I find this interesting.

Now guess what the two goofs are desperately looking for? Centres and wingers who can play a top 6 role.

Very interesting

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:21 pm Top two line players - Miller, Horvat, Boeser gone. And for what? Nothing on the top two lines.

Yeah - we get, Dude - you going to keep repeating this for reason, or move on to a new idea?

Cornuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:37 pm

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:21 pm Top two line players - Miller, Horvat, Boeser gone. And for what? Nothing on the top two lines.

Yeah - we get, Dude - you going to keep repeating this for reason, or move on to a new idea?

I’m intrigued by the thinking, somewhat baffled by it. Just trying to make sense of it all, the madness. Does it make sense to you? They’ve traded 3 first round picks in their tenure - one for Hronek, one for Zadorov, one for M. Pettersson and are rumored to be trading their 4th first rounder in 3 seasons as bosses, yet the team sucks, or should I say, is a .500 hockey team. It’s bananas!

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:47 pm

Cornuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:37 pm

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:21 pm Top two line players - Miller, Horvat, Boeser gone. And for what? Nothing on the top two lines.

Yeah - we get, Dude - you going to keep repeating this for reason, or move on to a new idea?

I’m intrigued by the thinking, somewhat baffled by it. Just trying to make sense of it all, the madness. Does it make sense to you? They’ve traded 3 first round picks in their tenure - one for Hronek, one for Zadorov, one for M. Pettersson and are rumored to be trading their 4th first rounder in 3 seasons as bosses, yet the team sucks, or should I say, is a .500 hockey team. It’s bananas!

Point of order: wasn't that 1st traded for Lindholm?