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RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:47 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:44 pm Blob wants the rebuild to go on forever so that he can continue to piss and moan forever...

Blob says “draft and develop” as a solution to finding immediate help for the top 6.

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:47 pm Blob says “draft and develop” as a solution to finding immediate help for the top 6.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:07 pm Blob can handle a rebuild but as an older uglier and fatter man, I have no patience

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:51 am

Diehard1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:46 am

micky107 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:47 am well i was mad, I was in the middle of working out a way to get Collin Miller here, (which I have).

They deserved it anyways 47 points mostly on the third line is better than most of our forwards and he can play all 3 positions.

If Vegas signs Karlsson to the contract they've rumoured to have signed him to at $5.9 million per year, they are almost $5 million over the cap, still needing to sign 2 D and a back up goalie. Yes, this with Clarkson's contract on the books but it's still a huge issue.

Jimbo should be calling McCrimmon and offering to take Colin Miller, Clarkson's contract and a future 2nd rounder for a B level prospect. Gets Vegas where they need to be in terms of dollars, gets us a better dman than Myers at half the cost and we get a pick out of it. Clarkson's deal is up after this year and we wouldn't need the cap space this year so it all makes a ton of sense.

Unfortunately some other team will likely do it and get the assets almost for free. Come on Jimbo, this is a much better idea than signing Myers to a 7 year contract that will be regrettable almost as soon as it's inked.

Someone suggested forget Clarkson. Offer to take Miller and Eakins, combined 7.9 ish for Biega. LOL. Frees up about 7 million for them. They’d still be in cap limbo though, by a few million.

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:09 pm What gets lost in this is that there is a difference in a cap dump, Marleau, and in making a hockey trade to move cap, Miller. Yes Tampa needed to move cap but they knew the had Callahan coming off the books so that took a lot of pressure off to just dump a player. And yes, there were a few other teams expressing interest. Someone wrote that out of three teams offering nearly the same return the Canucks were the lowest seeded and offered the potential of the biggest return. In the end that’s what Tampa went with. The highest seeded 3rd rounder this year and the potential to be the best seeded 1st rounder in the next two years.

Diehard1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:12 pm For me what seems to get lost here is Jimbo once again developed tunnel vision for one player instead of looking at all his options.

Diehard1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:12 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:09 pm What gets lost in this is that there is a difference in a cap dump, Marleau, and in making a hockey trade to move cap, Miller. Yes Tampa needed to move cap but they knew the had Callahan coming off the books so that took a lot of pressure off to just dump a player. And yes, there were a few other teams expressing interest. Someone wrote that out of three teams offering nearly the same return the Canucks were the lowest seeded and offered the potential of the biggest return. In the end that’s what Tampa went with. The highest seeded 3rd rounder this year and the potential to be the best seeded 1st rounder in the next two years.

Callahan's contract doesn't come off the books, it's still there and counts against the cap. They are allowed to go over the cap up to the amount of his contract; however they have to get to the cap first to do this. It's more complicated than just removing his contract off the books.

I like Miller, he's a nice player, but there's lots of other teams that need to move cap and forwards and it wouldn't cost you a 1st +. For me what seems to get lost here is Jimbo once again developed tunnel vision for one player instead of looking at all his options. Do the Vegas trade you suggested and you've got a top 6 forward plus a top 4 D. Pick up LaBanc from SJ instead as they have to move somebody, and you've have an even younger top 6 guy. The Caps have to move money so go after a guy like Vrana. Johnsson, Brown or Kapanen from the Leaves. Lots of options out there from teams that need to move money so you use that to your advantage, you don't pay full price in this market.

That said, what's done is done, so time to move on to FA and likely a very big D contract coming up.

Diehard1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:12 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:09 pm What gets lost in this is that there is a difference in a cap dump, Marleau, and in making a hockey trade to move cap, Miller. Yes Tampa needed to move cap but they knew the had Callahan coming off the books so that took a lot of pressure off to just dump a player. And yes, there were a few other teams expressing interest. Someone wrote that out of three teams offering nearly the same return the Canucks were the lowest seeded and offered the potential of the biggest return. In the end that’s what Tampa went with. The highest seeded 3rd rounder this year and the potential to be the best seeded 1st rounder in the next two years.

Callahan's contract doesn't come off the books, it's still there and counts against the cap. They are allowed to go over the cap up to the amount of his contract; however they have to get to the cap first to do this. It's more complicated than just removing his contract off the books.

I like Miller, he's a nice player, but there's lots of other teams that need to move cap and forwards and it wouldn't cost you a 1st +. For me what seems to get lost here is Jimbo once again developed tunnel vision for one player instead of looking at all his options. Do the Vegas trade you suggested and you've got a top 6 forward plus a top 4 D. Pick up LaBanc from SJ instead as they have to move somebody, and you've have an even younger top 6 guy. The Caps have to move money so go after a guy like Vrana. Johnsson, Brown or Kapanen from the Leaves. Lots of options out there from teams that need to move money so you use that to your advantage, you don't pay full price in this market.

That said, what's done is done, so time to move on to FA and likely a very big D contract coming up.

Richardstroker69 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:29 pm

Diehard1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:12 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:09 pm What gets lost in this is that there is a difference in a cap dump, Marleau, and in making a hockey trade to move cap, Miller. Yes Tampa needed to move cap but they knew the had Callahan coming off the books so that took a lot of pressure off to just dump a player. And yes, there were a few other teams expressing interest. Someone wrote that out of three teams offering nearly the same return the Canucks were the lowest seeded and offered the potential of the biggest return. In the end that’s what Tampa went with. The highest seeded 3rd rounder this year and the potential to be the best seeded 1st rounder in the next two years.

Callahan's contract doesn't come off the books, it's still there and counts against the cap. They are allowed to go over the cap up to the amount of his contract; however they have to get to the cap first to do this. It's more complicated than just removing his contract off the books.

I like Miller, he's a nice player, but there's lots of other teams that need to move cap and forwards and it wouldn't cost you a 1st +. For me what seems to get lost here is Jimbo once again developed tunnel vision for one player instead of looking at all his options. Do the Vegas trade you suggested and you've got a top 6 forward plus a top 4 D. Pick up LaBanc from SJ instead as they have to move somebody, and you've have an even younger top 6 guy. The Caps have to move money so go after a guy like Vrana. Johnsson, Brown or Kapanen from the Leaves. Lots of options out there from teams that need to move money so you use that to your advantage, you don't pay full price in this market.

That said, what's done is done, so time to move on to FA and likely a very big D contract coming up.

No western team let alone a pacific team is gonna trade with us unless it’s an overpayment now.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:32 pm

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:19 am those firsts area not guaranteed good NHL level players. J.T. Miller is a “player” and is “worth” a first, he’s guaranteed. He’s young, signed on a good contract with term.

Exactly.