The Official Dave Ayres CC "All Thing Leaves" thread

[BigTuna]

McDavids new contract, I year previous to Matthews new contract will set the bar "he'll just say, whatever they are paying McDavid, pay me" LOL, that's going to be fun to watch. But the preview to all that will be first Marners and Nylanders contract. Oh you gotta love the Salary Cap. Evens it all out. All that money tied up forever in one small basket eh Tuna? Gonna be fun watching the player exodus in Toronto due to the cap restraints that the leaves are about to be slammed with.

Have you even seen the leaves cap situation? It's fine. They got kadri somehow for 4.5 million per and Rielly for 5 million per for their prime years.

If Toronto can't handle Matthews contract how the hell is Edmonton going to handle McDavid's? Edmonton has committed a ton of money to undeserving young players and albatross contracts like Milan Lucic.

And how will Buffalo afford Eichel with all the big contracts they've given out?

You're saying every young player will leave their current team due to the cap. You're a joke. Don't draft great players because they are expensive! Draft mediocre ones!

Maybe the leaves can let top 5 forward and star Bozak go and save 4.25 million per? LOL.

I don't see the leaves giving aging bottom 6 forwards like Loui Erikkson 6 million per until they are 38. Instead they got 26 year-old Kadri who's never been injured agree to 4.5 million per until he's 31 and he's on pace for 35 goals while being one of the best shutdown forwards in the NHL.

The leaves will trade Matthews in 2 years because of the cap. Got it. No other team with less cap room will trade their young stars, but the leaves will.

[Topper]

The leaves do not require more building.

The vast majority of their core is set. You can't say "Whatever", my comments were clearly in regards to the situation in 2014 which involved Luongo when the leaves had no core and a bottom 5 prospect pool.

If "the core is set"... then these guys aren't "prospects" anymore by definition

... and if we can't count any of the Leaves players currently with the big club

... then the Leaves once again have a "bottom 5 prospect pool"!

Leaves were among the top teams in terms of "prospect pools" when these guys were "prospects"

... but you're telling me they're not "prospects" any longer.

So, according to YOU, back to the basement with the Leaves as far as "prospect pools".

To spin it as a negative in 2017 for them making the playoffs is ridiculous.

"My point was that competing for the last playoff spot isn't a way to properly build." - YOU

Mr Shanahan says the rebuilding is ongoing, get with the Shanaplan!

No Goalie of the Future and no defencemen who can actually play defence.

2 of your top 5 scoring forwards are UFAs in 1.3 years.

And as discussed, your "rookie" top scoring defenceman could become a Group 6 UFA this summer.

Leaves prospects are as dim as you are my friend and Spanky + the Rascals have hit the Rookie Wall.

Semantics trump tuna

[Chef Boi RD]

The leaves 3 next big contract signings will take up 25% - 30% of the salary cap. Good luck finding dough to keep the rest of the 18 players happy. Gotta love the salary cap, evens it all out. The leaves are going to pay Matthews an arm and a leg to keep the sunny Latino American happy playing in another country, the frozen tundra of 65 cents on the dollar and high taxes. "Whatever McDavid gets pay me" I'm thinking $10 million per and up. What do Marner and Nylander get after next season before they have to sign Matthews to Kane and Toews money? LOL

Tuna hasn't experienced cap crunch yet, cause the leaves have been shite like forever, since Bill Barilko won the leaves the cup a thousand years before Tuna was born. Where you have to give quality assets away for nothing, let good young players walk for nothing, to stay under the cap . LOL

[BigTuna]

The leaves do not require more building.

The vast majority of their core is set. You can't say "Whatever", my comments were clearly in regards to the situation in 2014 which involved Luongo when the leaves had no core and a bottom 5 prospect pool.

If "the core is set"... then these guys aren't "prospects" anymore by definition

... and if we can't count any of the Leaves players currently with the big club

... then the Leaves once again have a "bottom 5 prospect pool"!

Leaves were among the top teams in terms of "prospect pools" when these guys were "prospects"

... but you're telling me they're not "prospects" any longer.

So, according to YOU, back to the basement with the Leaves as far as "prospect pools".

To spin it as a negative in 2017 for them making the playoffs is ridiculous.

"My point was that competing for the last playoff spot isn't a way to properly build." - YOU

Mr Shanahan says the rebuilding is ongoing, get with the Shanaplan!

No Goalie of the Future and no defencemen who can actually play defence.

2 of your top 5 scoring forwards are UFAs in 1.3 years.

And as discussed, your "rookie" top scoring defenceman could become a Group 6 UFA this summer.

Leaves prospects are as dim as you are my friend and Spanky + the Rascals have hit the Rookie Wall.

Semantics trump tuna

Bozak is leaving! What ever will we do. Are being being serious? an expensive bottom 6 player is terrible news for the future of the leaves? (And he's not even top 5 right now).

leaves just drafted first overall and got a #1 franchise centre. They drafted #4 overall the year prior and got an elite superstar winger. It is fine if they do not get a top pick in a very, very weak draft year. Yes, I fully admit in 2014 it would have mattered.

Vancouver not getting a top pick, now THAT's a disaster.

BTW, I realize you guys are doing a "Bit" here, but don't you worry about looking like you know nothing about the NHL? I feel like I am talking to a bunch of chicks who never watch hockey.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Mathews won't be getting the same scratch as Mcdavid. He's nowhere near the player.

[Chef Boi RD]

Mathews won't be getting the same scratch as Mcdavid. He's nowhere near the player.

Gotta disagree with you there Bubbles. McDavid and Matthews are the face the NHL for the next decade. Money generators, cap crunchers though. All your Eggs in one basket. The leaves and Oilers won't have depth because of it, a common problem having 'elite' franchise players in your team. Ya hope they are talented enough to win with a scrub supporting staff

[BigTuna]

Thank god Matthews won't be as expensive. The leaves have to sign Bozak to a big deal. He is afterall one of the top 5 players on the leaves

If you lose a Tyler Bozak, the chance of a successful rebuild diminishes greatly.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Mathews won't be getting the same scratch as Mcdavid. He's nowhere near the player.

Gotta disagree with you there Bubbles. McDavid and Matthews are the face the NHL for the next decade. Money generators, cap crunchers though. All your Eggs in one basket. The leaves and Oilers won't have depth because of it, a common problem having 'elite' franchise players in your team. Ya hope they are talented enough to win with a scrub supporting staff

I thought Horvat was right there with Mathews ?

Either way Mathews isn't in Mcdavid's league.

[BigTuna]

Mathews won't be getting the same scratch as Mcdavid. He's nowhere near the player.

Gotta disagree with you there Bubbles. McDavid and Matthews are the face the NHL for the next decade. Money generators, cap crunchers though. All your Eggs in one basket. The leaves and Oilers won't have depth because of it, a common problem having 'elite' franchise players in your team. Ya hope they are talented enough to win with a scrub supporting staff

This from a guy who laughed at Hyman and Brown being nothing. That was my point and a few days later, you apparently agree. Cheap young players in the bottom 6 is the way to go for good depth.

I'm glad we agree.

[Chef Boi RD]

Marners bar will be Gaudreau money, maybe even more, but no less. $7 million per? What does Nylander get $6 million per? Matthews $10 million per? LOL gonna be fun watching the leaves Capologists in a couple years.

[Chef Boi RD]

Mathews won't be getting the same scratch as Mcdavid. He's nowhere near the player.

Gotta disagree with you there Bubbles. McDavid and Matthews are the face the NHL for the next decade. Money generators, cap crunchers though. All your Eggs in one basket. The leaves and Oilers won't have depth because of it, a common problem having 'elite' franchise players in your team. Ya hope they are talented enough to win with a scrub supporting staff

This from a guy who laughed at Hyman and Brown being nothing. That was my point and a few days later, you apparently agree. Cheap young players in the bottom 6 is the way to go for good depth.

I'm glad we agree.

Never said nothing about those disposables and expendables that only you keep rampaging on about. So delusional you are. Read my posts. I'm trying t educate you on cap hell, cause you are about to enter it. 3 eggs in one basket. LOL

[Chef Boi RD]

Mathews won't be getting the same scratch as Mcdavid. He's nowhere near the player.

Gotta disagree with you there Bubbles. McDavid and Matthews are the face the NHL for the next decade. Money generators, cap crunchers though. All your Eggs in one basket. The leaves and Oilers won't have depth because of it, a common problem having 'elite' franchise players in your team. Ya hope they are talented enough to win with a scrub supporting staff

I thought Horvat was right there with Mathews ?

Either way Mathews isn't in Mcdavid's league.

You're out to lunch if you think Matthew won't be one of top 3 highest paid players in the game. That's the beauty of Horvat. An excellent young centre who won't be a problem for the Canucks salary cap wise. We will win in depth where the leaves will have to solely rely on Mathhews and a couple other guys for the next decade

[BigTuna]

Mathews won't be getting the same scratch as Mcdavid. He's nowhere near the player.

Gotta disagree with you there Bubbles. McDavid and Matthews are the face the NHL for the next decade. Money generators, cap crunchers though. All your Eggs in one basket. The leaves and Oilers won't have depth because of it, a common problem having 'elite' franchise players in your team. Ya hope they are talented enough to win with a scrub supporting staff

I thought Horvat was right there with Mathews ?

Either way Mathews isn't in Mcdavid's league.

You're out to lunch if you think Matthew won't be one of top 3 highest paid players in the game. That's the beauty of Horvat. An excellent young centre who won't be a problem for the Canucks salary cap wise. We will win in depth where the leaves will have to solely rely on Mathhews and a couple other guys for the next decade

He will be if you give out stupid contracts like 6 million per for 6 years to Loui Erikkson. That's what you're not getting. The issue isn't what your stars are getting, it's overpaying for those bottom 6 and supporting guys who are not ion your core and very replaceable. Lucic's contract will really hurt Edmonton down the line.

The leaves getting Kadri and Rielly for 9 million combined for their prime years was terrific long-term cap management.

Even Buffalo signing Okposo-Good player, but he'll be 29 soon. By the time they're ready to contend he'll be past his prim and they'll need that money. They did not need to make a move like that yet.

Once again, that was my total point about a Connor Brown making so little and producing so much as a bottom 6 forward.

The big issue for the leaves was *if* they still had Kessel, Clarkson and Phaneuf's cap hits on top of their young players to sign, then yes, there would be a major cap iisue. But the leaves took care of that by only eating a combined 1.2 million per for all 3. No one ever thought that was possible. Wit those contracts gone and the smart new ones signed, they will be fine and are in better position than other young teams like Edmonton, Winnipeg and Buffalo going forward with regards to the cap/

You have shown over and over you do not understand how the cap works.

[Chef Boi RD]

There he goes with Connor Brown again, LOL

The leaves are going to have to start throwing big money at their D and goaltending situation very soon. The cracks are showing and it's driving Babcock and Lou nuts!

[BigTuna]

There he goes with Connor Brown again, LOL

You laughed and said Connor Brown was nothing. I showed you stats showing how he's been better than your aging, 6 million per walking concussion, Loui Eriksson.

Now you turn around and talk about supporting depth being important. That was my entire point! Getting cheap, good young players in your bottom 6 is an excellent way to be able to give your stars their money and keep them. I have previously made that point.

The leaves will be able to keep Marner, Matthews, Nylander because they aren't paying a bottom 6 guy 6 million per. They were, but they found a sucker in Columbus to bail them out. Same with Ottawa. Thank you to the Sens for eliminating Dion's 7 million per cap hit.

The way to win is the Chicago way: identity 4-5 important core pieces and pay them their huge contracts. Everyone else is disposable. Even a 22 year-old Saad was deemed expendable as he wasn't going to get much better than he was and wanted 6 million per.

You seem to think the issue is the core getting paid. It is not. That Lucic deal will kill Edmonton. With his style of play he'll just get worse and slower with each passing year. The leaves do not have that issue.