Everyone, from the Crown to the police, changed their tune after extensive media coverage of the incident and the cover up by Hockey Canada. It is important to remember that charges were only brought after the civil trial and after considerable pressure form the media, victims groups and Parliament that weighed in. I don't know if they are guilty. I do know they are pigs. How does anyone actually believe that a woman enjoys that type of treatment? Be that as it may, she had serious credibility issues. Perhaps she embellished, as victims often do, for fear of not being believed. Whatever happened that night should not have happened. We have to teach our children better than this. 5 young men destroyed their careers. A young woman was traumatized. In the end no one won. Was justice served? I believe the judge followed the law and followed the evidence. Credibility is such a key component in cases like this and she did not find. E.M. credible. I trust her judgement in the matter. If you read her decision you will see she was very detailed and exact in why she rendered her verdict as she did. It was not a whitewash verdict. It was thoughtful and precise. Last word on it. Glad it is over for everyone involved.dangler wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 6:29 pmComment from Thai Trang, London Police Services:Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 5:41 pm It was through media pressure and then victims groups that the Crown finally laid charges. All along the Crown has said that they did not think they had sufficient evidence to get a conviction. The investigating police force also felt shows not credible and had not recommended charges.
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McLeod came off really poorly in the trial. I'd be disappointed if we took on that kind of baggage for a fourth line center. Foote came off goofy as well, and he's what, a 27 year old with 20 NHL games. No thanks. Agree about Hart and the Oilers. That might happen.Todd Bersnoozi wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 7:54 pmNot sure when these guys would be cleared to play, but I wouldn't mind Mike McLeod. Yah, he prob more of a bottom 6 guy, but he's a RS centre and a faceoff ace. I thought the Nucks should consider him b4 we picked up Lindholm last season.Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 3:27 pm Lol McLeod is I think a center, but more of a fourth liner if memory serves. I think his brother is a better player than he is.
Cal Foote is somewhat interesting. He can be our new Juulsen/Desharnais project and maybe we can assign him to Abby, so he can do the splits there. *LOL*
I heard Carter Hart might draw heavy interest from the Oil. He might be a key for them. Wherever these guys end up, just keep them away from any young ladies.![]()
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I agree regarding McLeod, after hearing some of the transcripts in the case, no fucking thanks, a supreme douche bag that deserves a massive beat downMegaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 8:33 pmMcLeod came off really poorly in the trial. I'd be disappointed if we took on that kind of baggage for a fourth line center. Foote came off goofy as well, and he's what, a 27 year old with 20 NHL games. No thanks. Agree about Hart and the Oilers. That might happen.Todd Bersnoozi wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 7:54 pmNot sure when these guys would be cleared to play, but I wouldn't mind Mike McLeod. Yah, he prob more of a bottom 6 guy, but he's a RS centre and a faceoff ace. I thought the Nucks should consider him b4 we picked up Lindholm last season.Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 3:27 pm Lol McLeod is I think a center, but more of a fourth liner if memory serves. I think his brother is a better player than he is.
Cal Foote is somewhat interesting. He can be our new Juulsen/Desharnais project and maybe we can assign him to Abby, so he can do the splits there. *LOL*
I heard Carter Hart might draw heavy interest from the Oil. He might be a key for them. Wherever these guys end up, just keep them away from any young ladies.![]()
The league and the PA are already fighting over this btw:
https://www.nhlpa.com/news/2-47365/nhlp ... ineligible
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Ringleader, organizer, getting verbal consent on his phone camera for each sex act, even those not involving himself? Golf balls?? Golf clubs???!!!Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 9:31 pmI agree regarding McLeod, after hearing some of the transcripts in the case, no fucking thanks, a supreme douche bag that deserves a massive beat downMegaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 8:33 pmMcLeod came off really poorly in the trial. I'd be disappointed if we took on that kind of baggage for a fourth line center. Foote came off goofy as well, and he's what, a 27 year old with 20 NHL games. No thanks. Agree about Hart and the Oilers. That might happen.Todd Bersnoozi wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 7:54 pmNot sure when these guys would be cleared to play, but I wouldn't mind Mike McLeod. Yah, he prob more of a bottom 6 guy, but he's a RS centre and a faceoff ace. I thought the Nucks should consider him b4 we picked up Lindholm last season.Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 3:27 pm Lol McLeod is I think a center, but more of a fourth liner if memory serves. I think his brother is a better player than he is.
Cal Foote is somewhat interesting. He can be our new Juulsen/Desharnais project and maybe we can assign him to Abby, so he can do the splits there. *LOL*
I heard Carter Hart might draw heavy interest from the Oil. He might be a key for them. Wherever these guys end up, just keep them away from any young ladies.![]()
The league and the PA are already fighting over this btw:
https://www.nhlpa.com/news/2-47365/nhlp ... ineligible
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McLeod is done, parents must be proud. He’ll have to consult fellow dumb club member Jake Virtanen on his options, which will be few.
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So Jackson Blake’s deferred money saves Carolina $525,000 on their cap space.
Frank Vatrano’s deferral saves the Ducks 1.43m a year.
Seth Jarvis saves Carolina $480,000.
Deferrals get eliminated in the next collective agreement, but the Canucks will be trying to re-sign Hughes before that kicks in. If they can pay Quinn 1.5 million more than his cap hit with a deferral that could make a pretty significant difference to the club.
But of course as soon as the Canucks try to do that, Bill Daly, will retroactively find they were circumventing the cap and punish the club severely, so I’m not sure if they will try this strategy.
Frank Vatrano’s deferral saves the Ducks 1.43m a year.
Seth Jarvis saves Carolina $480,000.
Deferrals get eliminated in the next collective agreement, but the Canucks will be trying to re-sign Hughes before that kicks in. If they can pay Quinn 1.5 million more than his cap hit with a deferral that could make a pretty significant difference to the club.
But of course as soon as the Canucks try to do that, Bill Daly, will retroactively find they were circumventing the cap and punish the club severely, so I’m not sure if they will try this strategy.
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It is believable because there are indeed women who do. Just like their are men who get off on weird shit like domination, S&M, etc. When it comes to sexual activities there are certainly some very fucked up things that people like, be it men or women. As with any sort of judgment, regardless of the subject or context, the important thing is not to project one's own preferences upon another in the formation of opinion.Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 7:55 pmEveryone, from the Crown to the police, changed their tune after extensive media coverage of the incident and the cover up by Hockey Canada. It is important to remember that charges were only brought after the civil trial and after considerable pressure form the media, victims groups and Parliament that weighed in. I don't know if they are guilty. I do know they are pigs. How does anyone actually believe that a woman enjoys that type of treatment? Be that as it may, she had serious credibility issues. Perhaps she embellished, as victims often do, for fear of not being believed. Whatever happened that night should not have happened. We have to teach our children better than this. 5 young men destroyed their careers. A young woman was traumatized. In the end no one won. Was justice served? I believe the judge followed the law and followed the evidence. Credibility is such a key component in cases like this and she did not find. E.M. credible. I trust her judgement in the matter. If you read her decision you will see she was very detailed and exact in why she rendered her verdict as she did. It was not a whitewash verdict. It was thoughtful and precise. Last word on it. Glad it is over for everyone involved.dangler wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 6:29 pmComment from Thai Trang, London Police Services:Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 5:41 pm It was through media pressure and then victims groups that the Crown finally laid charges. All along the Crown has said that they did not think they had sufficient evidence to get a conviction. The investigating police force also felt shows not credible and had not recommended charges.
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Domination isn't that weird Mëds. We aren't talking Pickton type domination.
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Wids never had her hair yanked and her jacksie slapped around?Mëds wrote: ↑Fri Jul 25, 2025 2:38 pmIt is believable because there are indeed women who do. Just like their are men who get off on weird shit like domination, S&M, etc. When it comes to sexual activities there are certainly some very fucked up things that people like, be it men or women. As with any sort of judgment, regardless of the subject or context, the important thing is not to project one's own preferences upon another in the formation of opinion.Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 7:55 pmEveryone, from the Crown to the police, changed their tune after extensive media coverage of the incident and the cover up by Hockey Canada. It is important to remember that charges were only brought after the civil trial and after considerable pressure form the media, victims groups and Parliament that weighed in. I don't know if they are guilty. I do know they are pigs. How does anyone actually believe that a woman enjoys that type of treatment? Be that as it may, she had serious credibility issues. Perhaps she embellished, as victims often do, for fear of not being believed. Whatever happened that night should not have happened. We have to teach our children better than this. 5 young men destroyed their careers. A young woman was traumatized. In the end no one won. Was justice served? I believe the judge followed the law and followed the evidence. Credibility is such a key component in cases like this and she did not find. E.M. credible. I trust her judgement in the matter. If you read her decision you will see she was very detailed and exact in why she rendered her verdict as she did. It was not a whitewash verdict. It was thoughtful and precise. Last word on it. Glad it is over for everyone involved.dangler wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 6:29 pmComment from Thai Trang, London Police Services:Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 5:41 pm It was through media pressure and then victims groups that the Crown finally laid charges. All along the Crown has said that they did not think they had sufficient evidence to get a conviction. The investigating police force also felt shows not credible and had not recommended charges.
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The criminal case is settled. The civil suit already came and went. Evidently, the complainant didn’t get their intended result but hopefully folks will see justice served.
Either way, it is a horrible look for the five defendants. Just because what they did wasn’t criminal doesn’t mean the league wants to condone such conduct - regardless of where the culture wars are on the topic these days.
I’m not convinced even Hart can pull off a Vick-style redemption arc. If I were any of them, I would seriously look to Europe. If they want to keep on with their “laddish” behavior along the way, they should look at the KHL. Money buys a lot of immunity over there.
Either way, it is a horrible look for the five defendants. Just because what they did wasn’t criminal doesn’t mean the league wants to condone such conduct - regardless of where the culture wars are on the topic these days.
I’m not convinced even Hart can pull off a Vick-style redemption arc. If I were any of them, I would seriously look to Europe. If they want to keep on with their “laddish” behavior along the way, they should look at the KHL. Money buys a lot of immunity over there.
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She got her intended result, 3.5million. She was reluctant to proceed with the criminal case but once convinced to do so she was all in.Lancer wrote: ↑Sat Jul 26, 2025 10:03 am The criminal case is settled. The civil suit already came and went. Evidently, the complainant didn’t get their intended result but hopefully folks will see justice served.
Either way, it is a horrible look for the five defendants. Just because what they did wasn’t criminal doesn’t mean the league wants to condone such conduct - regardless of where the culture wars are on the topic these days.
I’m not convinced even Hart can pull off a Vick-style redemption arc. If I were any of them, I would seriously look to Europe. If they want to keep on with their “laddish” behavior along the way, they should look at the KHL. Money buys a lot of immunity over there.
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It is a horrible look because it went public. There are more shocking things happen in the private lives of of every day folk who are not in the limelight of professional entertainment. What people do in their private lives away from their job is nobody's business unless it actually is illegal behaviour. In this case it apparently was not. None of them should have been identified, this trial should have been behind closed doors, and unless the findings of court were that the accused were guilty, they should have been permitted to return to their lives without this hanging over their heads.Lancer wrote: ↑Sat Jul 26, 2025 10:03 am The criminal case is settled. The civil suit already came and went. Evidently, the complainant didn’t get their intended result but hopefully folks will see justice served.
Either way, it is a horrible look for the five defendants. Just because what they did wasn’t criminal doesn’t mean the league wants to condone such conduct - regardless of where the culture wars are on the topic these days.
I’m not convinced even Hart can pull off a Vick-style redemption arc. If I were any of them, I would seriously look to Europe. If they want to keep on with their “laddish” behavior along the way, they should look at the KHL. Money buys a lot of immunity over there.
However, when it comes to this sort of thing, the court of public opinion is too often used as a platform to influence outcome.....and if not the legal result than at least the social fallout for the accused in the even that they are acquitted.
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I disagree with respect to the privacy and standards of conduct applying equally between hockey stars and the remainder of the plebes. When one gets to a point where they hold positions of prominence in society - whether it’s a teacher, a politician, a magistrate or an entertainer - there is a certain exemplary expectation in a social sense. If you represent an institution - whether it’s a hockey club, national team or a league, you represent the ethics and values of that institution through your conduct and utterances.Mëds wrote: ↑Sat Jul 26, 2025 1:24 pm It is a horrible look because it went public. There are more shocking things happen in the private lives of of every day folk who are not in the limelight of professional entertainment. What people do in their private lives away from their job is nobody's business unless it actually is illegal behaviour. In this case it apparently was not. None of them should have been identified, this trial should have been behind closed doors, and unless the findings of court were that the accused were guilty, they should have been permitted to return to their lives without this hanging over their heads.
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The dark underside of #MeToo. The funny thing is it seems the youngins are sliding backwards into a fucked-up progressive version of Puritanism because of the risk of a bad date turning into a rape charge.However, when it comes to this sort of thing, the court of public opinion is too often used as a platform to influence outcome.....and if not the legal result than at least the social fallout for the accused in the even that they are acquitted.
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